Stockholm tram etiquette
Aug 28th 2004, 3:56 am
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Stockholm tram etiquette
In every European city I have visited, the usual procedure to board a
tram is to enter at the nearest door. Tram drivers never check your
pass, but of course there is always the possibility of a fare checker
riding on your tram. In Riga there was an attendant collecting money
from each passenger. In Stockholm I boarded in the usual manner
and stood in the back, trying to give the prams room to maneuver.
The tram driver started saying something in Swedish, a language I do
not speak. He kept speaking and people turned towards me, and I
quickly realized that he was speaking to me. So I walked up and
showed him my pass, and he went back to business. So are you
expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
other European cities demand this behavior?
Pete
tram is to enter at the nearest door. Tram drivers never check your
pass, but of course there is always the possibility of a fare checker
riding on your tram. In Riga there was an attendant collecting money
from each passenger. In Stockholm I boarded in the usual manner
and stood in the back, trying to give the prams room to maneuver.
The tram driver started saying something in Swedish, a language I do
not speak. He kept speaking and people turned towards me, and I
quickly realized that he was speaking to me. So I walked up and
showed him my pass, and he went back to business. So are you
expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
other European cities demand this behavior?
Pete
Aug 28th 2004, 4:02 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
"Pete" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> In every European city I have visited, the usual procedure to board a
> tram is to enter at the nearest door. Tram drivers never check your
> pass, but of course there is always the possibility of a fare checker
> riding on your tram. In Riga there was an attendant collecting money
> from each passenger. In Stockholm I boarded in the usual manner
> and stood in the back, trying to give the prams room to maneuver.
> The tram driver started saying something in Swedish, a language I do
> not speak. He kept speaking and people turned towards me, and I
> quickly realized that he was speaking to me. So I walked up and
> showed him my pass, and he went back to business. So are you
> expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> other European cities demand this behavior?
> Pete
No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit down
anywhere you like.
The conductor walks around the car, inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets
and so on.
Driver and conductor is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running
with driver only.
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> In every European city I have visited, the usual procedure to board a
> tram is to enter at the nearest door. Tram drivers never check your
> pass, but of course there is always the possibility of a fare checker
> riding on your tram. In Riga there was an attendant collecting money
> from each passenger. In Stockholm I boarded in the usual manner
> and stood in the back, trying to give the prams room to maneuver.
> The tram driver started saying something in Swedish, a language I do
> not speak. He kept speaking and people turned towards me, and I
> quickly realized that he was speaking to me. So I walked up and
> showed him my pass, and he went back to business. So are you
> expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> other European cities demand this behavior?
> Pete
No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit down
anywhere you like.
The conductor walks around the car, inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets
and so on.
Driver and conductor is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running
with driver only.
Aug 28th 2004, 4:22 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
> No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit
> down anywhere you like. The conductor walks around the car,
> inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets and so on. Driver and conductor
> is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running with driver only.
Could my tram have been missing the conductor on that day, and so
the driver was performing two jobs? I did not see any conductor.
If it matters, I was riding the tram between the stop just north (maybe
that is northeast) of the Vasa Museum back to the area around the
Central Station. I should have taken the ferry back to the city center
as it would have been less trouble.
Pete
> down anywhere you like. The conductor walks around the car,
> inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets and so on. Driver and conductor
> is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running with driver only.
Could my tram have been missing the conductor on that day, and so
the driver was performing two jobs? I did not see any conductor.
If it matters, I was riding the tram between the stop just north (maybe
that is northeast) of the Vasa Museum back to the area around the
Central Station. I should have taken the ferry back to the city center
as it would have been less trouble.
Pete
Aug 28th 2004, 4:36 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
non-smoking restaurants in Stockholm
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Aug 28th 2004, 5:05 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
"Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in news:rW1Yc.822$8d1.316
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> In every European city I have visited, the usual procedure to board a
> tram is to enter at the nearest door. Tram drivers never check your
> pass, but of course there is always the possibility of a fare checker
> riding on your tram. In Riga there was an attendant collecting money
> from each passenger. In Stockholm I boarded in the usual manner
> and stood in the back, trying to give the prams room to maneuver.
> The tram driver started saying something in Swedish, a language I do
> not speak. He kept speaking and people turned towards me, and I
> quickly realized that he was speaking to me. So I walked up and
> showed him my pass, and he went back to business. So are you
> expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> other European cities demand this behavior?
>
>
> Pete
>
>
It was that way in Copenhagen entry by front door driver checked passes and
tickets.
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> In every European city I have visited, the usual procedure to board a
> tram is to enter at the nearest door. Tram drivers never check your
> pass, but of course there is always the possibility of a fare checker
> riding on your tram. In Riga there was an attendant collecting money
> from each passenger. In Stockholm I boarded in the usual manner
> and stood in the back, trying to give the prams room to maneuver.
> The tram driver started saying something in Swedish, a language I do
> not speak. He kept speaking and people turned towards me, and I
> quickly realized that he was speaking to me. So I walked up and
> showed him my pass, and he went back to business. So are you
> expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> other European cities demand this behavior?
>
>
> Pete
>
>
It was that way in Copenhagen entry by front door driver checked passes and
tickets.
Aug 28th 2004, 6:17 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
"Agena 2003" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> non-smoking restaurants in Stockholm
> http://www.smokefreeworld.com/stockholm.shtml
Does that mean they don't do smoked salmon ?
;-)
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> non-smoking restaurants in Stockholm
> http://www.smokefreeworld.com/stockholm.shtml
Does that mean they don't do smoked salmon ?
;-)
Aug 28th 2004, 7:47 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
"Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit
> > down anywhere you like. The conductor walks around the car,
> > inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets and so on. Driver and conductor
> > is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running with driver
only.
> Could my tram have been missing the conductor on that day, and so
> the driver was performing two jobs? I did not see any conductor.
> If it matters, I was riding the tram between the stop just north (maybe
> that is northeast) of the Vasa Museum back to the area around the
> Central Station. I should have taken the ferry back to the city center
> as it would have been less trouble.
You were not using the Stockholm public transport system, you were on a
museum tram service operated by voluntary members of Swedish Tramway
Society.
http://www.ss.se/djurgardslinjen/english.php
Your pass was not valid on this service, so I guess the driver decided it
would have been too much trouble to explain the system for you.
Ages ago Stockholm got rid of its trams except for a few suburbian services.
A few years ago the Tramway Society started operating the old line from
Normalmstorget to Djurgården as a museum run. The Stockholm regional
transport authority has now also opened new tram routes (light rail, any
way), but they are not in the city centre. Therefore, the only tram you see
in city centre is the museum service.
Better luck next time!
tv
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> > No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit
> > down anywhere you like. The conductor walks around the car,
> > inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets and so on. Driver and conductor
> > is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running with driver
only.
> Could my tram have been missing the conductor on that day, and so
> the driver was performing two jobs? I did not see any conductor.
> If it matters, I was riding the tram between the stop just north (maybe
> that is northeast) of the Vasa Museum back to the area around the
> Central Station. I should have taken the ferry back to the city center
> as it would have been less trouble.
You were not using the Stockholm public transport system, you were on a
museum tram service operated by voluntary members of Swedish Tramway
Society.
http://www.ss.se/djurgardslinjen/english.php
Your pass was not valid on this service, so I guess the driver decided it
would have been too much trouble to explain the system for you.
Ages ago Stockholm got rid of its trams except for a few suburbian services.
A few years ago the Tramway Society started operating the old line from
Normalmstorget to Djurgården as a museum run. The Stockholm regional
transport authority has now also opened new tram routes (light rail, any
way), but they are not in the city centre. Therefore, the only tram you see
in city centre is the museum service.
Better luck next time!
tv
Aug 28th 2004, 7:57 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
"Pete" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> > No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit
> > down anywhere you like. The conductor walks around the car,
> > inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets and so on. Driver and conductor
> > is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running with driver
only.
> Could my tram have been missing the conductor on that day, and so
> the driver was performing two jobs? I did not see any conductor.
> If it matters, I was riding the tram between the stop just north (maybe
> that is northeast) of the Vasa Museum back to the area around the
> Central Station. I should have taken the ferry back to the city center
> as it would have been less trouble.
> Pete
That tram line is a museum line using volunteers, but SL tourist cards are
valid.
Usually they operate with driver and conductor, the rule of ticket
inspection may vary according to tram type used. Possibly no-one was
available as a conductor that day ?
All ordinary trams in Stockholm operates with driver and ticket conductor
walking around ,no problem just show the ticket.
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> > No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit
> > down anywhere you like. The conductor walks around the car,
> > inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets and so on. Driver and conductor
> > is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running with driver
only.
> Could my tram have been missing the conductor on that day, and so
> the driver was performing two jobs? I did not see any conductor.
> If it matters, I was riding the tram between the stop just north (maybe
> that is northeast) of the Vasa Museum back to the area around the
> Central Station. I should have taken the ferry back to the city center
> as it would have been less trouble.
> Pete
That tram line is a museum line using volunteers, but SL tourist cards are
valid.
Usually they operate with driver and conductor, the rule of ticket
inspection may vary according to tram type used. Possibly no-one was
available as a conductor that day ?
All ordinary trams in Stockholm operates with driver and ticket conductor
walking around ,no problem just show the ticket.
Aug 28th 2004, 9:48 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
"Timo Valtonen" <timo.valtonen@***saunalahti.fi> skrev i meddelandet
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> "Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit
> > > down anywhere you like. The conductor walks around the car,
> > > inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets and so on. Driver and
conductor
> > > is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running with driver
> only.
> >
> > Could my tram have been missing the conductor on that day, and so
> > the driver was performing two jobs? I did not see any conductor.
> > If it matters, I was riding the tram between the stop just north (maybe
> > that is northeast) of the Vasa Museum back to the area around the
> > Central Station. I should have taken the ferry back to the city center
> > as it would have been less trouble.
> >
> You were not using the Stockholm public transport system, you were on a
> museum tram service operated by voluntary members of Swedish Tramway
> Society.
> http://www.ss.se/djurgardslinjen/english.php
> Your pass was not valid on this service,
SL:s monthly and other passes are valid onboard the tram line.
Ordinary tickets are not valid and "rabattkuponger" (discount coupons) can't
be used onboard the tram.
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> "Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > No you may enter the Stockholm trams at any suitable door and sit
> > > down anywhere you like. The conductor walks around the car,
> > > inspecting tickets passes , sell tickets and so on. Driver and
conductor
> > > is the usual pattern. Can't remember they are running with driver
> only.
> >
> > Could my tram have been missing the conductor on that day, and so
> > the driver was performing two jobs? I did not see any conductor.
> > If it matters, I was riding the tram between the stop just north (maybe
> > that is northeast) of the Vasa Museum back to the area around the
> > Central Station. I should have taken the ferry back to the city center
> > as it would have been less trouble.
> >
> You were not using the Stockholm public transport system, you were on a
> museum tram service operated by voluntary members of Swedish Tramway
> Society.
> http://www.ss.se/djurgardslinjen/english.php
> Your pass was not valid on this service,
SL:s monthly and other passes are valid onboard the tram line.
Ordinary tickets are not valid and "rabattkuponger" (discount coupons) can't
be used onboard the tram.
Aug 28th 2004, 9:52 am
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believe me, all trams in Stockholm are smokefree.
buses produce smoke but passengers not
and additionally all restaurants there are going to be smokefree 1/1 2005.
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believe me, all trams in Stockholm are smokefree.
buses produce smoke but passengers not
and additionally all restaurants there are going to be smokefree 1/1 2005.
Aug 28th 2004, 10:37 am
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> SL:s monthly and other passes are valid onboard the tram line.
> Ordinary tickets are not valid and "rabattkuponger" (discount
> coupons) can't be used onboard the tram.
I usually buy the "City Card" (Stockholm Card, in this case) when
traveling as it gives me a transport pass and a discount on many
museums. Is the Stockholm Card valid on the museum tram?
If I would have bought a day or multiple-day transit pass, would it
have been valid on the ferry between the Vasa Museum and the city
center?
Pete
> Ordinary tickets are not valid and "rabattkuponger" (discount
> coupons) can't be used onboard the tram.
I usually buy the "City Card" (Stockholm Card, in this case) when
traveling as it gives me a transport pass and a discount on many
museums. Is the Stockholm Card valid on the museum tram?
If I would have bought a day or multiple-day transit pass, would it
have been valid on the ferry between the Vasa Museum and the city
center?
Pete
Aug 28th 2004, 10:38 am
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> all restaurants there are going to be smokefree 1/1 2005.
Is this true for Stockholm only or for all Sweden? Will smoking
be allowed in outdoor (patio) sections of restaurants?
Pete
Is this true for Stockholm only or for all Sweden? Will smoking
be allowed in outdoor (patio) sections of restaurants?
Pete
Aug 28th 2004, 10:55 am
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"Pete" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> > all restaurants there are going to be smokefree 1/1 2005.
> Is this true for Stockholm only or for all Sweden?
All of Sweden. Bars and restaurants, but they'll be allowed to have a
separate area for smoking only where no food or beverage is allowed.
Will smoking
> be allowed in outdoor (patio) sections of restaurants?
I guess so.
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> > all restaurants there are going to be smokefree 1/1 2005.
> Is this true for Stockholm only or for all Sweden?
All of Sweden. Bars and restaurants, but they'll be allowed to have a
separate area for smoking only where no food or beverage is allowed.
Will smoking
> be allowed in outdoor (patio) sections of restaurants?
I guess so.
Aug 28th 2004, 11:12 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
"Pete" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> > SL:s monthly and other passes are valid onboard the tram line.
> > Ordinary tickets are not valid and "rabattkuponger" (discount
> > coupons) can't be used onboard the tram.
> I usually buy the "City Card" (Stockholm Card, in this case) when
> traveling as it gives me a transport pass and a discount on many
> museums. Is the Stockholm Card valid on the museum tram?
Yes, all passes valid on SL the local transport system.
> If I would have bought a day or multiple-day transit pass, would it
> have been valid on the ferry between the Vasa Museum and the city
> center?
Depends on what you consider city centre. The bigger boats to "Slussen"
definitely yes,they accept SL-passes (but not tickets again) .
The smaller one sailing to Nybroviken (outside the national theatre) have
been privatized and is now a Strömma operation. AFAIK they've voluntarily
promised to accept SL-passes but as they aren't paid for that it could
change , you can always ask. In addition there are many buses running so
you can't be stranded. Personally I'm amused to go biking out there and
have a cup of coffee and something at cafe' Ekorren (the Squirrel) in the
mid of Djurgården overlooking the ships and boats coming.
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> > SL:s monthly and other passes are valid onboard the tram line.
> > Ordinary tickets are not valid and "rabattkuponger" (discount
> > coupons) can't be used onboard the tram.
> I usually buy the "City Card" (Stockholm Card, in this case) when
> traveling as it gives me a transport pass and a discount on many
> museums. Is the Stockholm Card valid on the museum tram?
Yes, all passes valid on SL the local transport system.
> If I would have bought a day or multiple-day transit pass, would it
> have been valid on the ferry between the Vasa Museum and the city
> center?
Depends on what you consider city centre. The bigger boats to "Slussen"
definitely yes,they accept SL-passes (but not tickets again) .
The smaller one sailing to Nybroviken (outside the national theatre) have
been privatized and is now a Strömma operation. AFAIK they've voluntarily
promised to accept SL-passes but as they aren't paid for that it could
change , you can always ask. In addition there are many buses running so
you can't be stranded. Personally I'm amused to go biking out there and
have a cup of coffee and something at cafe' Ekorren (the Squirrel) in the
mid of Djurgården overlooking the ships and boats coming.
Aug 29th 2004, 1:06 am
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>> If I would have bought a day or multiple-day transit pass, would
>> it have been valid on the ferry between the Vasa Museum and the
>> city center?
> Depends on what you consider city centre. The bigger boats to
> "Slussen" definitely yes,they accept SL-passes (but not tickets again) .
> The smaller one sailing to Nybroviken (outside the national theatre)
> have been privatized and is now a Strömma operation.
I should have mentioned that my story dated from 2000. I seem to
remember that my ferry ran from the Royal Theatre of Drama to the
Vasa Museum, and then to Slussen (and then reverse, I guess). Or
maybe that was two separate ferries as you described.
> Personally I'm amused to go biking out there and have a cup
> of coffee and something at cafe' Ekorren (the Squirrel) in the
> mid of Djurgården overlooking the ships and boats coming.
That cafe must be on the south side of Djurgården to have the view
you describe, right? Or is it on a hill?
Pete
>> it have been valid on the ferry between the Vasa Museum and the
>> city center?
> Depends on what you consider city centre. The bigger boats to
> "Slussen" definitely yes,they accept SL-passes (but not tickets again) .
> The smaller one sailing to Nybroviken (outside the national theatre)
> have been privatized and is now a Strömma operation.
I should have mentioned that my story dated from 2000. I seem to
remember that my ferry ran from the Royal Theatre of Drama to the
Vasa Museum, and then to Slussen (and then reverse, I guess). Or
maybe that was two separate ferries as you described.
> Personally I'm amused to go biking out there and have a cup
> of coffee and something at cafe' Ekorren (the Squirrel) in the
> mid of Djurgården overlooking the ships and boats coming.
That cafe must be on the south side of Djurgården to have the view
you describe, right? Or is it on a hill?
Pete
