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Old Jun 13th 2004, 1:01 am
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On 13 Jun 2004 03:11:32 -0700, [email protected] (Bjorn Olsson) wrote:

    >[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> On 12 Jun 2004 11:33:50 -0700, [email protected] (Bjorn Olsson) wrote:
    >>
    >> >[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> >> >> > Can we agree on these facts, please:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > 1) Having to carry your luggage 100 meters from commuter to train is
    >> >> >> > different from not having to carry it at all.
    >> >> >> More likely to be 50m but anyway you have to carry the luggage longer than
    >> >> >> so to the coach terminal and inside the airport terminal
    >> >> >
    >> >> >But along an easier route than the one to the commuter train platform,
    >> >> >which means going up and down stairs.
    >> >>
    >> >> Completely wrong as usual. You can take the elevator. Just more of
    >> >> your lies and distortions.
    >> >
    >> >I mentioned the elevator.
    >>
    >> Really? Show me where you mentioned it above where you clearly claim
    >> that you have to go up and down the stairs.
    >It's right there, at the end of this sentence:
    >"5) Drag his luggage up the steep stairs (or take a slow elevator)."
    >Sorry to use such a long sentence. I'll try to adapt to your level of
    >reading comprehension by using much shorter sentences in the future.

Really? Read your comment right above which I cut and paste for you
since apparently you can't find your own words "But along an easier
route than the one to the commuter train platform,
    >> >> >which means going up and down stairs."

Don't see an elevator mentioned anywhere do you?

    >[snip]
    >> >1. Go to http://www.flygbussarna.com/koncernen/
    >> >2. Choose "Arlanda airport" and "Stockholm city".
    >> >3. Click the button.
    >> >4. Read on the right-hand side of the page the words:
    >> >
    >> >Kombibiljett SL**
    >> >115 kr SL zon 1 N
    >> >
    >> >5. Go to hell.
    >> >
    >>
    >> Oh now I see this tourist oriented advice, which is completely in
    >> Swedish!! Obviously for non-Swedish tourists. HAHAHAHA!
    >There is an English version of the same information, which any
    >English-speaking tourist who is not as mentally impaired as you would
    >be able to find in 2-3 seconds.
    >> And just as
    >> I expected, since I have two Swedes visiting me here that translated
    >> this, it is for one way, not a return journey on the airport bus.
    >> Lets' see. 115 kronor versus 36 or so for the same journey.
    >What happened to your ever-prevailing assumption that all visitors
    >also had to travel around the city by SL? I find you a ticket that
    >includes the cost of that, and suddenly - voilá - you start applying
    >the _opposite_ assumption, i.e. that the visitor does _not_ need to
    >travel around the city!

I never have, but this is too much for you to comprehend. What I said
was that that option was an additional benefit of using the
Pendeltag/bus option for Arlanda, while you couldn't even count the
number of coupons it took, and much less expensive than your stupid
option. But you can neither comprehend or count, can you?
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 2:21 am
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"Bjorn Olsson" <[email protected]> > > >
    > Taken together, 1+2 amount to 20 minutes longer. My claim was a total
    > of 30 minutes longer, which is what you get if you add the time it
    > takes to get SL coupons from the SL ticket office down in the basement
    > of the station.
There's no need at all to visit the SL ticket office, you can easy buy the
"rabattkuponger" ticket stripe at the barrrier to the platform. Buying
them and have a stamp on them is a matter of 1 or 2 minutes. More or less
the same time as to queu for the aircoach tickes and buy them. So you're
wrong on that point.

    > I took that airport coach at least 25 times by now, and have not seen
    > it become full yet.
But I have.

    > > Never. It has been 5 coupons for years not 6, up to including my last
    > > trip about a week and a half ago. It is just more of your endless
    > > distortions that are completely false.
    > I don't think you are right, but in any case it doesn't matter much.
    > The odds that you will end up spending exactly 20 coupons (as assumed
    > in your calculations) are very small.
The odds are good. As 20 happens to be divided with 5 into 4 portions.
And there's also a convenient 10 coupon "rabattkuponger" stripe, just
slightly more expensive at 80SEK or 8SEK each coupon (compares with 7SEK for
those 20 )
Let's see one 10 coupon divided in two 5 coupon trips assuming the o.p
makes a return trip.
Or if you happens to be two persons sharing a 20 coupon divided with 5
coupons each in one direction and 5 coupons each in the other direction.
Now try to do the math. Take the time, we have patience and you're fully
allowed to take use of a calculator.

Now to another of your misunderstandings, the inconvenience of stairs.
From the base level Vasagatan you'll reach the base level of the central
station then you've to go down stairs to the lower level and then up stairs
to the commuter train platform.
To reach the coach terminal from the basement you've to go up (long) stairs
to the base level in the coach terminal and then another stairs inside the
terminal.
Any particular difference ?
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 2:28 am
  #78  
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<[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > >> >So, they've changed it. Good.
    > >>
    > >> Changed it when? It's been exactly that for as long as I have been
    > >> taking it which is about 20 years now. I have never been charged more
    > >> than 5 coupons.
    > >
    > >I have been charged 6.
    > You would. You can't count fare value so why would anyone expect you
    > to be able to count coupons when even a non-Swedish speaking tourist
    > can?
As I can remember there was a short period when they charged 6 but that
period didn't last very long , some months or a ½ year.
But that's history and definitely not the actual price.
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 2:41 am
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"Bjorn Olsson" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet > > >
    > If you refuse to agree that the airport coach´s seats are more comfy
    > than those on the commuter train and on the local bus, then you are
    > simply lying.
I'm not lying , I'm talking from experience.
You've typically much more space in the commuter train than in the cramped
coach.
You can stretch out more comfortable and except for the peak hour you've
plenty of space. In the coach you've a seat pitch typical to that in an
airplane.
Didn't I say we carried our bicycles on the train back so have a clue ?
Anyone seen people with bicycles on the airport coaches ?
I would really regard the Märsta trip as being more comfortable and relaxed
compared with coach although you're paying with a 15 min longer trip.
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 6:38 am
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Exactly right once again.



On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:21:06 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Bjorn Olsson" <[email protected]> > > >
    >> Taken together, 1+2 amount to 20 minutes longer. My claim was a total
    >> of 30 minutes longer, which is what you get if you add the time it
    >> takes to get SL coupons from the SL ticket office down in the basement
    >> of the station.
    >There's no need at all to visit the SL ticket office, you can easy buy the
    >"rabattkuponger" ticket stripe at the barrrier to the platform. Buying
    >them and have a stamp on them is a matter of 1 or 2 minutes. More or less
    >the same time as to queu for the aircoach tickes and buy them. So you're
    >wrong on that point.
    >> I took that airport coach at least 25 times by now, and have not seen
    >> it become full yet.
    >But I have.
    >> > Never. It has been 5 coupons for years not 6, up to including my last
    >> > trip about a week and a half ago. It is just more of your endless
    >> > distortions that are completely false.
    >> I don't think you are right, but in any case it doesn't matter much.
    >> The odds that you will end up spending exactly 20 coupons (as assumed
    >> in your calculations) are very small.
    >The odds are good. As 20 happens to be divided with 5 into 4 portions.
    >And there's also a convenient 10 coupon "rabattkuponger" stripe, just
    >slightly more expensive at 80SEK or 8SEK each coupon (compares with 7SEK for
    >those 20 )
    >Let's see one 10 coupon divided in two 5 coupon trips assuming the o.p
    >makes a return trip.
    >Or if you happens to be two persons sharing a 20 coupon divided with 5
    >coupons each in one direction and 5 coupons each in the other direction.
    >Now try to do the math. Take the time, we have patience and you're fully
    >allowed to take use of a calculator.
    >Now to another of your misunderstandings, the inconvenience of stairs.
    >From the base level Vasagatan you'll reach the base level of the central
    >station then you've to go down stairs to the lower level and then up stairs
    >to the commuter train platform.
    >To reach the coach terminal from the basement you've to go up (long) stairs
    >to the base level in the coach terminal and then another stairs inside the
    >terminal.
    >Any particular difference ?
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 6:40 am
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Perhaps. I suppose they just decided to raise the price instead. It
has gone from 85 kronor to 110 kronor to now 145 kronor over the years
I have been using them. They do allow you to use up your old ones
even if the price has risen, however.


On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:28:26 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    ><[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> >> >So, they've changed it. Good.
    >> >>
    >> >> Changed it when? It's been exactly that for as long as I have been
    >> >> taking it which is about 20 years now. I have never been charged more
    >> >> than 5 coupons.
    >> >
    >> >I have been charged 6.
    >> You would. You can't count fare value so why would anyone expect you
    >> to be able to count coupons when even a non-Swedish speaking tourist
    >> can?
    >As I can remember there was a short period when they charged 6 but that
    >period didn't last very long , some months or a ½ year.
    >But that's history and definitely not the actual price.
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 6:43 am
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Exactly right again and you are effectively being paid 89-36.25 kronor
per trip (or 7 USD or so) for that minutes. That's 28 USD an hour.
Not bad to be more comfortable is it?


On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:41:14 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Bjorn Olsson" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet > > >
    >> If you refuse to agree that the airport coach´s seats are more comfy
    >> than those on the commuter train and on the local bus, then you are
    >> simply lying.
    >I'm not lying , I'm talking from experience.
    >You've typically much more space in the commuter train than in the cramped
    >coach.
    >You can stretch out more comfortable and except for the peak hour you've
    >plenty of space. In the coach you've a seat pitch typical to that in an
    >airplane.
    >Didn't I say we carried our bicycles on the train back so have a clue ?
    >Anyone seen people with bicycles on the airport coaches ?
    >I would really regard the Märsta trip as being more comfortable and relaxed
    >compared with coach although you're paying with a 15 min longer trip.
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 4:43 pm
  #83  
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cj <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<9R3wc.39016$oi5.8948@fed1read07>...
    > I need tips/advice for transferring between airports and hotels in
    > Stockholm. We will be flying into Skavsta, staying near Arlanda for 2
    > nights, then flying out of Skavsta. (Reason for staying near Arlanda is
    > for flights on Blue1 in the AM and PM of the same day.) I understand
    > their is a train that can get us to Arlanda, but is there one from
    > Skavsta into Stockholm? I have only read that there is a bus that takes
    > up to 2 hours. We will do it if we must, but I enjoy trains much more
    > and they are usually faster. Any estimates on the total transfer costs?

The Arlanda express ordinarily costs 180 SEK for a single ticket. A
return is 340, but they also have 2-hour and 6-hour return tickets,
which I guess could be useful for you, at the prices 200 and 250 SEK,
respectively. They also have reduced weekend prices (two adults and up
to four children for a total of 200 SEK).

A single bus ticket Skavsta-Stockholm costs 130 SEK.

Enjoy your trip.

Bjorn
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 8:20 pm
  #84  
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[email protected] wrote:

    >>> Try that rocket scientist and see what you get.
    >>Now, you try applying the above steps to the English version of the
    >>site, and instead of step 4, just click on the link saying "AllTheWay"
    >>and then "Flygbussarna Kombi". There you can find detailed information
    >>about the combination tickets. Assuming you are able to understand
    >>plain English, you will there be able to read (assuming further that
    >>you are also able to read) about the combination tickets.
    >>I haven't visited the English version of the site before, and
    >>nevertheless it took me no more than 2-3 seconds to figure this out.
    >>Yet another proof of your utter stupidity.
    >
    >
    > Really? You were the genius that kept insisting that following your 5
    > "simple" steps got you this information. Follow that in English,
    > which of course and foreign tourist would do and you see nothing.

You are dumb. You are blind. And you're a complete idiot. I'll cut out
the damn text and post it for you then, moron:

    > FlygbussarnaKombi
    >
    > FlygbussarnaKombi is a combination bus ticket between Flygbussarna and the local bus service. FlygbussarnaKombi is available in
    >
    > Stockholm
    > Malmö
    >
    > In Stockholm:
    > A Flygbussarna ticket and a Stockholm Transport (SL) ticket for the price of SEK 115. Economic and convenient in one.
    >
    > When alighting the bus at the airport ask the driver for a FlygbussarnaKombi ticket. The extra cost for travel within Zone 1 is SEK 26 and for a further SEK 20 you can travel with Stockholm Transport (SL) within the whole of the Stockholm area.
    >
    > Savings
    > Flygbussarna ticket + SL* within Zone 1 SEK 115:-
    > Flygbussarna ticket + SL within Stockholm county
    > SEK 135:-
    >
    > If you have purchased your Flygbussarna ticket in advance you will only be charged for your onward travel with SL, you choose whether to travel within Zone 1 or the whole Stockholm county (SEK 26 or SEK 20). FlygbussarnaKombi tickets can be purchased from the bus driver or at the Information counters at Arlanda airport in Terminals 2, 4 and 5.
    >
    > *The ticket is valid for a calendar day plus night traffic up to 04.30 and must be available for inspection by SL's personnel on request.

Bjorn
 
Old Jun 13th 2004, 8:21 pm
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Lennart Petersen wrote:

    > <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>>>>So, they've changed it. Good.
    >>>>Changed it when? It's been exactly that for as long as I have been
    >>>>taking it which is about 20 years now. I have never been charged more
    >>>>than 5 coupons.
    >>>I have been charged 6.
    >>You would. You can't count fare value so why would anyone expect you
    >>to be able to count coupons when even a non-Swedish speaking tourist
    >>can?
    >
    > As I can remember there was a short period when they charged 6 but that
    > period didn't last very long , some months or a ½ year.
    > But that's history and definitely not the actual price.

But that's the period during which I used this option.

Bjorn
 
Old Jun 14th 2004, 12:18 am
  #86  
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:21:35 +0200, Björn Olsson <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Lennart Petersen wrote:
    >> <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>>>>>So, they've changed it. Good.
    >>>>>Changed it when? It's been exactly that for as long as I have been
    >>>>>taking it which is about 20 years now. I have never been charged more
    >>>>>than 5 coupons.
    >>>>I have been charged 6.
    >>>You would. You can't count fare value so why would anyone expect you
    >>>to be able to count coupons when even a non-Swedish speaking tourist
    >>>can?
    >>
    >> As I can remember there was a short period when they charged 6 but that
    >> period didn't last very long , some months or a ½ year.
    >> But that's history and definitely not the actual price.
    >But that's the period during which I used this option.
    >Bjorn

So that means you, at best, seem to have used it all of once, never
checked to see if the prices you quoted were correct before opening
you mouth, can't count anyway, etc. etc. but are a pure expert on the
route. Figures. Even if you had to pay 6 coupons each way insteat of
5 that would still make the bus/pendeltag option about half of the
airport bus for anyone except a moron like you who throws their
rabatkuponer away after each trip.
 
Old Jun 14th 2004, 1:11 am
  #87  
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[email protected] wrote:

    > On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:21:35 +0200, Björn Olsson <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Lennart Petersen wrote:
    >>><[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>>>So, they've changed it. Good.
    >>>>>>Changed it when? It's been exactly that for as long as I have been
    >>>>>>taking it which is about 20 years now. I have never been charged more
    >>>>>>than 5 coupons.
    >>>>>I have been charged 6.
    >>>>You would. You can't count fare value so why would anyone expect you
    >>>>to be able to count coupons when even a non-Swedish speaking tourist
    >>>>can?
    >>>As I can remember there was a short period when they charged 6 but that
    >>>period didn't last very long , some months or a ½ year.
    >>>But that's history and definitely not the actual price.
    >>But that's the period during which I used this option.
    >>Bjorn
    >
    >
    > So that means you, at best, seem to have used it all of once,

No, 3-4 times. I'm a frequent traveller.

Bjorn
 
Old Jun 14th 2004, 1:15 am
  #88  
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Lennart Petersen wrote:

    > To reach the coach terminal from the basement you've to go up (long) stairs
    > to the base level in the coach terminal and then another stairs inside the
    > terminal.

The OP is arriving from Skavsta, probably by airport coach. Why should
he want to visit the basement below the train station when he is
changing from one airport coach to another, and these are standing right
next to each other?

Bjorn
 
Old Jun 14th 2004, 1:17 am
  #89  
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[email protected] wrote:

    >>>>>>>Which means I am exactly right and you, as usual, have nothing to
    >>>>>>>contradict it. What ever happened to the proof I asked for you
    >>>>>>>assertion that there is some combination ticket you can buy for the
    >>>>>>>airport bus when it appears nowhere on their site? What about that
    >>>>>>>huh?
    >>>>>>I gave you a 5-point list of simple instructions. Are you unabel to
    >>>>>>follow them?
    >>>Oh, I looked and found it only in Swedish. It doesn't even show up on
    >>>the English site. Hmm, I wonder why? Big help to tourist that.
    >>The English version does have it too, and anyone who is not as
    >>mentally retarded as you can find it 2-3 seconds.
    >>Click "AllTheWay" and then "Flygbussarna kombi". It's as difficult as
    >>that. Shall I come help you find the correct mouse buttons to click,
    >>or what's the matter?

You still haven't figured out how to use your mouse buttons?

Bjorn
 
Old Jun 14th 2004, 3:11 am
  #90  
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"Björn Olsson" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > [email protected] wrote:
    > >>>As I can remember there was a short period when they charged 6 but that
    > >>>period didn't last very long , some months or a ½ year.
    > >>>But that's history and definitely not the actual price.
    > >>
    > >>But that's the period during which I used this option.
    > >>
    > >>Bjorn
    > >
    > >
    > > So that means you, at best, seem to have used it all of once,
    > No, 3-4 times. I'm a frequent traveller.
    > Bjorn
It was a short period when they added an extra coupon in some relations but
that didn't last long as there was massive protests against.
Anyway you've traveled 3-4 times over Märsta in that short period but
nevertheless you spend all efforts to argue against that connection as being
extremely uncomfortable.
Why on earth did you choose that connection ?
 


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