"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Dec 8th 2006, 8:00 pm
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Re: "Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
veritas, another greggie morrow waving flags at every occasion ?
"veritas" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Friday, December 08, 2006
>>> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>>> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
>>> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
>>> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
>>> baths.
>>> Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
>>> for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
>>> and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
>>> banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
>>> law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
>>> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
>>> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
>>> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
>>> sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
>>> have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
>>> Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
>>> to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
>>> Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
>> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
>> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
> Good parallel - idiot!
>
"veritas" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Friday, December 08, 2006
>>> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>>> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
>>> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
>>> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
>>> baths.
>>> Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
>>> for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
>>> and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
>>> banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
>>> law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
>>> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
>>> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
>>> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
>>> sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
>>> have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
>>> Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
>>> to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
>>> Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
>> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
>> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
> Good parallel - idiot!
>
Dec 8th 2006, 8:06 pm
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Re: "Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
"David Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 8 Dec 2006 18:03:06 -0800, "Wink Nightingale" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>David Johnston wrote:
>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
>>> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>>> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>>> >
>>> >How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
>>> >facts.
>>> Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
>>> women are going to swim while fully dressed.
>>Since you're not allowed in while they are there, how could you
>>possibly know?
> By knowing that the law allows them to uncover with other women and
> that there's no way anyone could swim in a hijab.
On the beaches of Egypt and Libya the women do indeed swim fully-clothed,
unveiled but otherwise draped in the usual garb. I imagine a swimming-pool
would make this even easier.
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> On 8 Dec 2006 18:03:06 -0800, "Wink Nightingale" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>David Johnston wrote:
>>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
>>> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>>> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>>> >
>>> >How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
>>> >facts.
>>> Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
>>> women are going to swim while fully dressed.
>>Since you're not allowed in while they are there, how could you
>>possibly know?
> By knowing that the law allows them to uncover with other women and
> that there's no way anyone could swim in a hijab.
On the beaches of Egypt and Libya the women do indeed swim fully-clothed,
unveiled but otherwise draped in the usual garb. I imagine a swimming-pool
would make this even easier.
Dec 8th 2006, 8:18 pm
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"Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "DVH" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestiss�:[email protected]...
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected] ps.com...
>>> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>>> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>> How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
>> facts.
> The homosexual is crossposting irrelevant filth. The truth-value is also
> irrelevent.
It's surely relevant if one's trying to decide whether or not the material
is bigoted?
> It is true that there are excessively homos and barmies in America. Don't
> they provide any therapy for mentally ill folks in America? Usenet hardly
> is a madhouse.
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> "DVH" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestiss�:[email protected]...
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected] ps.com...
>>> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>>> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>> How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
>> facts.
> The homosexual is crossposting irrelevant filth. The truth-value is also
> irrelevent.
It's surely relevant if one's trying to decide whether or not the material
is bigoted?
> It is true that there are excessively homos and barmies in America. Don't
> they provide any therapy for mentally ill folks in America? Usenet hardly
> is a madhouse.
Dec 8th 2006, 10:10 pm
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:05:43 GMT, veritas <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Friday, December 08, 2006
>>> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>>> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
>>> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
>>> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
>>> baths.
>>> Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
>>> for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
>>> and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
>>> banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
>>> law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
>>> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
>>> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
>>> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
>>> sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
>>> have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
>>> Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
>>> to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
>>> Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
>>
>> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
>> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
>Good parallel - idiot!
Solid rebuttal.
*plonk*
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>Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Friday, December 08, 2006
>>> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>>> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
>>> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
>>> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
>>> baths.
>>> Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
>>> for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
>>> and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
>>> banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
>>> law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
>>> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
>>> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
>>> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
>>> sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
>>> have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
>>> Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
>>> to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
>>> Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
>>
>> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
>> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
>Good parallel - idiot!
Solid rebuttal.
*plonk*
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Dec 8th 2006, 11:30 pm
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"Deeply Filled Mortician" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in message
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> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Friday, December 08, 2006
> >Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
> >
> >In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
> >antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
> >instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
> >baths.
> >
> >Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
> >for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
> >and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
> >banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
> >law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
> >
> >Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
> >opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
> >neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
> >sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
> >have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
> >
> >Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
> >to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
> >Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
Right, so anyone who opposes British actions in Iraq etc would be a hypocrite not to
oppose the above, right?
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> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Friday, December 08, 2006
> >Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
> >
> >In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
> >antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
> >instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
> >baths.
> >
> >Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
> >for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
> >and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
> >banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
> >law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
> >
> >Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
> >opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
> >neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
> >sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
> >have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
> >
> >Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
> >to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
> >Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
Right, so anyone who opposes British actions in Iraq etc would be a hypocrite not to
oppose the above, right?
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Dec 9th 2006, 1:55 am
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On 8 Dec 2006 15:33:44 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
The Muzz****s can either learn to act and behave like human beings or
they can piss off to somewhere more to their liking.
If they don't like the way things are done in the UK, they are
perfectly free to **** off.
Clough
>Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
The Muzz****s can either learn to act and behave like human beings or
they can piss off to somewhere more to their liking.
If they don't like the way things are done in the UK, they are
perfectly free to **** off.
Clough
Dec 9th 2006, 2:08 am
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On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:30:28 -0000, "Andy Pandy"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deeply Filled Mortician" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
>> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
>Right, so anyone who opposes British actions in Iraq etc would be a hypocrite not to
>oppose the above, right?
I had quite some difficulty understanding that sentence, but I think I
agree.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deeply Filled Mortician" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
>> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
>Right, so anyone who opposes British actions in Iraq etc would be a hypocrite not to
>oppose the above, right?
I had quite some difficulty understanding that sentence, but I think I
agree.
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Dec 9th 2006, 2:11 am
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:55:17 GMT, Clough <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8 Dec 2006 15:33:44 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>>sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>The Muzz****s can either learn to act and behave like human beings or
>they can piss off to somewhere more to their liking.
>If they don't like the way things are done in the UK, they are
>perfectly free to **** off.
It's really a question of just how far tolerance should go. I am
inclined to agree with you on this point though.
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>On 8 Dec 2006 15:33:44 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>>Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>>sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>The Muzz****s can either learn to act and behave like human beings or
>they can piss off to somewhere more to their liking.
>If they don't like the way things are done in the UK, they are
>perfectly free to **** off.
It's really a question of just how far tolerance should go. I am
inclined to agree with you on this point though.
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Dec 9th 2006, 7:25 am
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Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
> >to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
> >Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
They aren't forcing Islamic values on anyone, though, much less doing
so with tanks and cruise missiles.
B;
> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
> >to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
> >Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
They aren't forcing Islamic values on anyone, though, much less doing
so with tanks and cruise missiles.
B;
Dec 9th 2006, 1:44 pm
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> Friday, December 08, 2006
> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>
> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
> baths.
Looks like a council responding to the needs of their constituents, aka
'democracy'. The council's DP also focuses on the needs of other special
interest groups, such as "children, youth and elderly persons".
>
> Friday, December 08, 2006
> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>
> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
> baths.
Looks like a council responding to the needs of their constituents, aka
'democracy'. The council's DP also focuses on the needs of other special
interest groups, such as "children, youth and elderly persons".
>
Dec 9th 2006, 7:04 pm
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Hunter wrote:
>
> I made the mistake of wearing goggles in a public swimming pool in
> Scotland. The crud in that pool was unbelievable and I haven't been in
> a public swimming pool since there or in Australia.
>
>
> I made the mistake of wearing goggles in a public swimming pool in
> Scotland. The crud in that pool was unbelievable and I haven't been in
> a public swimming pool since there or in Australia.
>
Dec 9th 2006, 7:06 pm
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Hunter wrote:
>
> I made the mistake of wearing goggles in a public swimming pool in
> Scotland. The crud in that pool was unbelievable and I haven't been in
> a public swimming pool since there or in Australia.
>
I haven't been to one in years either. Couldn't help wondering how many
small boys had been peeing in the water before I got there.
>
> I made the mistake of wearing goggles in a public swimming pool in
> Scotland. The crud in that pool was unbelievable and I haven't been in
> a public swimming pool since there or in Australia.
>
I haven't been to one in years either. Couldn't help wondering how many
small boys had been peeing in the water before I got there.
Dec 9th 2006, 7:33 pm
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Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> Hunter wrote:
> >
> > I made the mistake of wearing goggles in a public swimming pool in
> > Scotland. The crud in that pool was unbelievable and I haven't been in
> > a public swimming pool since there or in Australia.
> >
> I haven't been to one in years either. Couldn't help wondering how many
> small boys had been peeing in the water before I got there.
When I was a kid I got banned for peeing in a public pool....the life
guard didn't approve of me taking a leak off the high diving
board...... (joke)
> Hunter wrote:
> >
> > I made the mistake of wearing goggles in a public swimming pool in
> > Scotland. The crud in that pool was unbelievable and I haven't been in
> > a public swimming pool since there or in Australia.
> >
> I haven't been to one in years either. Couldn't help wondering how many
> small boys had been peeing in the water before I got there.
When I was a kid I got banned for peeing in a public pool....the life
guard didn't approve of me taking a leak off the high diving
board...... (joke)
Dec 9th 2006, 11:06 pm
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In article <[email protected] om>,
[email protected] writes...
> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
> sheet?
I have swum in overalls. Its not that hard really.
Do you have a point in posting this stuff?
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[email protected] writes...
> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
> sheet?
I have swum in overalls. Its not that hard really.
Do you have a point in posting this stuff?
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Dec 10th 2006, 4:30 am
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In article <[email protected] .com>,
[email protected] wrote:
> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> > On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
> > >to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
> > >Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
> >
> > They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
> > the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
>
> They aren't forcing Islamic values on anyone, though, much less doing
> so with tanks and cruise missiles.
What about suicide bombers, IEDs, etc?
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[email protected] wrote:
> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> > On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
> > >to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
> > >Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
> >
> > They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
> > the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
>
> They aren't forcing Islamic values on anyone, though, much less doing
> so with tanks and cruise missiles.
What about suicide bombers, IEDs, etc?
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Mary Loomer (aka Erilar)
----------------------------------------
Es ist nichts schrecklicher als eine tatige Unwissenheit.
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
(There's nothing worse than ignorance in action.)
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