"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Dec 8th 2006, 10:30 am
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Friday, December 08, 2006
Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
baths.
Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
Indeed they do, sir, indeed they do. But everyone else also has as much
right to go swimming when they wish to do so. This is the United
Kingdom, and nothing is 'non-negotiable' in its liberal democratic
tradition. With ironic timing, the Prime Minister has said in a speech
today that tolerance was 'what makes Britain, Britain' and warned 'we
must be ready to defend this attitude...so conform to it; or don't come
here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or
creed.'
Cranmer wonders how such sectarianism in the leisure industry would go
down in other parts of the UK. What would be the outcry in Northern
Ireland or Scotland if there were 'Protestant only' swimming times? How
would the Mohammedans react if Christians started to insist on
non-negotiable Christian-only hours in the public services? Cries of
'racism'? Religious discrimination? Insults to 'The Prophet'?
'Behead those who oppose the Shari'a swim'?
By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly
conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In
Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor,
and a vanquished...
Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
baths.
Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
Indeed they do, sir, indeed they do. But everyone else also has as much
right to go swimming when they wish to do so. This is the United
Kingdom, and nothing is 'non-negotiable' in its liberal democratic
tradition. With ironic timing, the Prime Minister has said in a speech
today that tolerance was 'what makes Britain, Britain' and warned 'we
must be ready to defend this attitude...so conform to it; or don't come
here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or
creed.'
Cranmer wonders how such sectarianism in the leisure industry would go
down in other parts of the UK. What would be the outcry in Northern
Ireland or Scotland if there were 'Protestant only' swimming times? How
would the Mohammedans react if Christians started to insist on
non-negotiable Christian-only hours in the public services? Cries of
'racism'? Religious discrimination? Insults to 'The Prophet'?
'Behead those who oppose the Shari'a swim'?
By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly
conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In
Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor,
and a vanquished...
Dec 8th 2006, 10:33 am
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Re: "Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
Dec 8th 2006, 10:38 am
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> Friday, December 08, 2006
> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
> baths.
> Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
> for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
> and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
> banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
> law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
> sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
> have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
> Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
> to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
> Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
> Indeed they do, sir, indeed they do. But everyone else also has as much
> right to go swimming when they wish to do so. This is the United
> Kingdom, and nothing is 'non-negotiable' in its liberal democratic
> tradition. With ironic timing, the Prime Minister has said in a speech
> today that tolerance was 'what makes Britain, Britain' and warned 'we
> must be ready to defend this attitude...so conform to it; or don't come
> here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or
> creed.'
> Cranmer wonders how such sectarianism in the leisure industry would go
> down in other parts of the UK. What would be the outcry in Northern
> Ireland or Scotland if there were 'Protestant only' swimming times? How
> would the Mohammedans react if Christians started to insist on
> non-negotiable Christian-only hours in the public services? Cries of
> 'racism'? Religious discrimination? Insults to 'The Prophet'?
> 'Behead those who oppose the Shari'a swim'?
> By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly
> conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In
> Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor,
> and a vanquished...
Does this mean they enter the pool without first taking a public
shower.....or do they shower fully clothed too. That surely would be a
health issue.
The world's gone mad.
> Friday, December 08, 2006
> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
> baths.
> Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
> for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
> and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
> banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
> law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
> sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
> have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
> Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
> to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
> Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
> Indeed they do, sir, indeed they do. But everyone else also has as much
> right to go swimming when they wish to do so. This is the United
> Kingdom, and nothing is 'non-negotiable' in its liberal democratic
> tradition. With ironic timing, the Prime Minister has said in a speech
> today that tolerance was 'what makes Britain, Britain' and warned 'we
> must be ready to defend this attitude...so conform to it; or don't come
> here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or
> creed.'
> Cranmer wonders how such sectarianism in the leisure industry would go
> down in other parts of the UK. What would be the outcry in Northern
> Ireland or Scotland if there were 'Protestant only' swimming times? How
> would the Mohammedans react if Christians started to insist on
> non-negotiable Christian-only hours in the public services? Cries of
> 'racism'? Religious discrimination? Insults to 'The Prophet'?
> 'Behead those who oppose the Shari'a swim'?
> By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly
> conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In
> Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor,
> and a vanquished...
Does this mean they enter the pool without first taking a public
shower.....or do they shower fully clothed too. That surely would be a
health issue.
The world's gone mad.
Dec 8th 2006, 10:43 am
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Re: "Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
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> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
facts.
news:[email protected] ps.com...
> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
facts.
Dec 8th 2006, 11:01 am
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Re: "Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Friday, December 08, 2006
>Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
>antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
>instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
>baths.
>Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
>for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
>and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
>banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
>law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
>Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
>opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
>neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
>sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
>have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
>Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
>to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
>Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
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>Friday, December 08, 2006
>Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
>antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
>instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
>baths.
>Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
>for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
>and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
>banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
>law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
>Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
>opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
>neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
>sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
>have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
>Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
>to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
>Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
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Dec 8th 2006, 11:55 am
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>> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> facts.
His stuff comes from the Moonies (Washington Times), which tells you
how factual it is.
It would actually be handy for women visitors who want to fit in with
this particular version of the Muslim dress code to know when these
times are, and it would it be entirely on-topic for the group to give
such information, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for PJ to do
it.
I suspect his depiction how these women dress when swimming unobserved
by men are entirely the product of some sort of kinky fantasy. Some
actual facts about this sort of policy: Glasgow Council used to run a
pool in Govanhill, a substantially Pakistani area. They had a few
women-only swimming times during the week which local Muslim women went
to. In 2001 they closed the baths; probably their intention was to sell
the land to whatever private developer came up with the largest bribe.
Govanhill is an area where people, whatever their race or religion,
mostly have little money and poor health; the baths made a big difference.
What they were offered as an alternative was way too far away for most
users to reach, and for the Muslim women, had the insuperable problem
that you could see into it from all round, it had huge uncurtainable
windows.
More about the campaign to keep the baths open:
http://www.geocities.com/govanhillbaths/history.html
http://www.variant.randomstate.org/21texts/baths.html
If Croydon is doing better, good for them.
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>> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> facts.
His stuff comes from the Moonies (Washington Times), which tells you
how factual it is.
It would actually be handy for women visitors who want to fit in with
this particular version of the Muslim dress code to know when these
times are, and it would it be entirely on-topic for the group to give
such information, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for PJ to do
it.
I suspect his depiction how these women dress when swimming unobserved
by men are entirely the product of some sort of kinky fantasy. Some
actual facts about this sort of policy: Glasgow Council used to run a
pool in Govanhill, a substantially Pakistani area. They had a few
women-only swimming times during the week which local Muslim women went
to. In 2001 they closed the baths; probably their intention was to sell
the land to whatever private developer came up with the largest bribe.
Govanhill is an area where people, whatever their race or religion,
mostly have little money and poor health; the baths made a big difference.
What they were offered as an alternative was way too far away for most
users to reach, and for the Muslim women, had the insuperable problem
that you could see into it from all round, it had huge uncurtainable
windows.
More about the campaign to keep the baths open:
http://www.geocities.com/govanhillbaths/history.html
http://www.variant.randomstate.org/21texts/baths.html
If Croydon is doing better, good for them.
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557
Dec 8th 2006, 12:04 pm
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[email protected] wrote:
> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>
Anyone who is not alarmed by Muslim behaviour - is a fool!
> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>
Anyone who is not alarmed by Muslim behaviour - is a fool!
Dec 8th 2006, 12:05 pm
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Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Friday, December 08, 2006
>> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
>> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
>> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
>> baths.
>> Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
>> for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
>> and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
>> banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
>> law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
>> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
>> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
>> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
>> sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
>> have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
>> Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
>> to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
>> Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
>
> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
Good parallel - idiot!
> On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Friday, December 08, 2006
>> Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon'
>> In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are
>> antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has
>> instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming
>> baths.
>> Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred
>> for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos,
>> and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all
>> banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a
>> law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees.
>> Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal
>> opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the
>> neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a
>> sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors
>> have been subsumed to this impractical dress code.
>> Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed
>> to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable.
>> Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.'
>
> They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as
> the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc.
Good parallel - idiot!
Dec 8th 2006, 12:39 pm
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On 8 Dec 2006 15:38:05 -0800, "Hunter" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly
>> conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In
>> Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor,
>> and a vanquished...
>Does this mean they enter the pool without first taking a public
>shower.....or do they shower fully clothed too. That surely would be a
>health issue.
No. The point of having a specific swim time for Muslim women is so
that they can strip down freely. The original poster was being
misleading.
wrote:
>> By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly
>> conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In
>> Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor,
>> and a vanquished...
>Does this mean they enter the pool without first taking a public
>shower.....or do they shower fully clothed too. That surely would be a
>health issue.
No. The point of having a specific swim time for Muslim women is so
that they can strip down freely. The original poster was being
misleading.
Dec 8th 2006, 12:40 pm
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] ups.com...
>> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
>facts.
Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
women are going to swim while fully dressed.
><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
>facts.
Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
women are going to swim while fully dressed.
Dec 8th 2006, 1:03 pm
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David Johnston wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> >
> >How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> >facts.
> Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
> women are going to swim while fully dressed.
Since you're not allowed in while they are there, how could you
possibly know?
But don't worry you can investigate closer to home, as it seems this is
not only going on in Croydon England, but also in... Seattle Washington
USA!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...uslimswim.html
Check it out.
"The muslim community in Seattle is still new; We've only been here for
10 years but already our community has grown *EXPONENTIALLY*!"
bet you're thrilled about that.
:(
> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> >
> >How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> >facts.
> Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
> women are going to swim while fully dressed.
Since you're not allowed in while they are there, how could you
possibly know?
But don't worry you can investigate closer to home, as it seems this is
not only going on in Croydon England, but also in... Seattle Washington
USA!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...uslimswim.html
Check it out.
"The muslim community in Seattle is still new; We've only been here for
10 years but already our community has grown *EXPONENTIALLY*!"
bet you're thrilled about that.
:(
Dec 8th 2006, 1:12 pm
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On 8 Dec 2006 18:03:06 -0800, "Wink Nightingale" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>David Johnston wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
>> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>> >
>> >How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
>> >facts.
>> Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
>> women are going to swim while fully dressed.
>Since you're not allowed in while they are there, how could you
>possibly know?
By knowing that the law allows them to uncover with other women and
that there's no way anyone could swim in a hijab.
wrote:
>David Johnston wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
>> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
>> >
>> >How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
>> >facts.
>> Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
>> women are going to swim while fully dressed.
>Since you're not allowed in while they are there, how could you
>possibly know?
By knowing that the law allows them to uncover with other women and
that there's no way anyone could swim in a hijab.
Dec 8th 2006, 1:23 pm
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David Johnston wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2006 18:03:06 -0800, "Wink Nightingale" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >David Johnston wrote:
> >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> >> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> >> >
> >> >How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> >> >facts.
> >>
> >> Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
> >> women are going to swim while fully dressed.
> >
> >Since you're not allowed in while they are there, how could you
> >possibly know?
> By knowing that the law allows them to uncover with other women and
> that there's no way anyone could swim in a hijab.
Being fully dressed was the issue.
It turns out that muslim women do indeed swim fully dressed.
http://www.sirchin.com/?wiki:swimming-pool
http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/...mming-at-beach
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/013688.php
> On 8 Dec 2006 18:03:06 -0800, "Wink Nightingale" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >David Johnston wrote:
> >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected] ups.com...
> >> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> >> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> >> >
> >> >How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> >> >facts.
> >>
> >> Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim
> >> women are going to swim while fully dressed.
> >
> >Since you're not allowed in while they are there, how could you
> >possibly know?
> By knowing that the law allows them to uncover with other women and
> that there's no way anyone could swim in a hijab.
Being fully dressed was the issue.
It turns out that muslim women do indeed swim fully dressed.
http://www.sirchin.com/?wiki:swimming-pool
http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/...mming-at-beach
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/013688.php
Dec 8th 2006, 2:08 pm
#14
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Re: "Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> > How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> > facts.
> His stuff comes from the Moonies (Washington Times), which tells you
> how factual it is.
> It would actually be handy for women visitors who want to fit in with
> this particular version of the Muslim dress code to know when these
> times are, and it would it be entirely on-topic for the group to give
> such information, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for PJ to do
> it.
> I suspect his depiction how these women dress when swimming unobserved
> by men are entirely the product of some sort of kinky fantasy. Some
> actual facts about this sort of policy: Glasgow Council used to run a
> pool in Govanhill, a substantially Pakistani area. They had a few
> women-only swimming times during the week which local Muslim women went
> to. In 2001 they closed the baths; probably their intention was to sell
> the land to whatever private developer came up with the largest bribe.
> Govanhill is an area where people, whatever their race or religion,
> mostly have little money and poor health; the baths made a big difference.
> What they were offered as an alternative was way too far away for most
> users to reach, and for the Muslim women, had the insuperable problem
> that you could see into it from all round, it had huge uncurtainable
> windows.
I made the mistake of wearing goggles in a public swimming pool in
Scotland. The crud in that pool was unbelievable and I haven't been in
a public swimming pool since there or in Australia.
I have always said if Scotland was closer to the equator everyone would
be dead from a disease of one sort or another.
Still I enjoyed living in my ancestral home.....
> >> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
> >> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> > How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> > facts.
> His stuff comes from the Moonies (Washington Times), which tells you
> how factual it is.
> It would actually be handy for women visitors who want to fit in with
> this particular version of the Muslim dress code to know when these
> times are, and it would it be entirely on-topic for the group to give
> such information, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for PJ to do
> it.
> I suspect his depiction how these women dress when swimming unobserved
> by men are entirely the product of some sort of kinky fantasy. Some
> actual facts about this sort of policy: Glasgow Council used to run a
> pool in Govanhill, a substantially Pakistani area. They had a few
> women-only swimming times during the week which local Muslim women went
> to. In 2001 they closed the baths; probably their intention was to sell
> the land to whatever private developer came up with the largest bribe.
> Govanhill is an area where people, whatever their race or religion,
> mostly have little money and poor health; the baths made a big difference.
> What they were offered as an alternative was way too far away for most
> users to reach, and for the Muslim women, had the insuperable problem
> that you could see into it from all round, it had huge uncurtainable
> windows.
I made the mistake of wearing goggles in a public swimming pool in
Scotland. The crud in that pool was unbelievable and I haven't been in
a public swimming pool since there or in Australia.
I have always said if Scotland was closer to the equator everyone would
be dead from a disease of one sort or another.
Still I enjoyed living in my ancestral home.....
Dec 8th 2006, 6:33 pm
#15
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Re: "Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
"DVH" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ps.com...
>> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> facts.
The homosexual is crossposting irrelevant filth. The truth-value is also
irrelevent. It is true that there are excessively homos and barmies in
America. Don't they provide any therapy for mentally ill folks in America?
Usenet hardly is a madhouse.
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ps.com...
>> Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
>> sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK?
> How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the
> facts.
The homosexual is crossposting irrelevant filth. The truth-value is also
irrelevent. It is true that there are excessively homos and barmies in
America. Don't they provide any therapy for mentally ill folks in America?
Usenet hardly is a madhouse.
