Speaking of weather, also....
Aug 8th 2004, 8:43 am
#16
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Re: Speaking of weather, also....
Hi, Evelyn,
I spent the entire month of September in northern France last year,
and the temps ranged from low 50's at night to high 70's during the
day (even some low 80's). There were 2 days of rain, and since I'm
one of those folks who can live a month out of a carry-on, I was
grateful for my lightweight rain jacket, and one lightweight cashmere
cardigan that I could wear with jeans or a skirt. I'm basically a
jeans and t-shirt gal (late 40's).
Enjoy the show!
Lisa
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:49:22 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I KNOW I'll prefer Paris in mid-September to New York in January (my
>favorite opera singer is performing in the same opera both places, this
>season) so Paris it is! However, I'm not quite sure what to expect,
>weather-wise, since I've not been to Europe in Autumn, before. What can
>I expect to need, in the way of clothing, wraps, etc. for the
>next-to-last week in September? I'm not talking about "fashion" (that I
>can decide for myself), but will I need warm-weather clothing, cool/cold
>weather clothing, or should I hedge my bets with a bit of both?
> I've only been to Paris before in January-February, when I KNEW I'd
>need winter clothing, but September can vary a lot, from place to place.
> Here in Southern California, September often produces the hottest days
>of summer. I seem to recall Minnesota could be quite chilly by the end
>of September, but then winters there always started early and were much
>colder than French winters seem to be.
>It's about time to start planning what to pack, so any help will be
>appreciated. Thanks
I spent the entire month of September in northern France last year,
and the temps ranged from low 50's at night to high 70's during the
day (even some low 80's). There were 2 days of rain, and since I'm
one of those folks who can live a month out of a carry-on, I was
grateful for my lightweight rain jacket, and one lightweight cashmere
cardigan that I could wear with jeans or a skirt. I'm basically a
jeans and t-shirt gal (late 40's).
Enjoy the show!
Lisa
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:49:22 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I KNOW I'll prefer Paris in mid-September to New York in January (my
>favorite opera singer is performing in the same opera both places, this
>season) so Paris it is! However, I'm not quite sure what to expect,
>weather-wise, since I've not been to Europe in Autumn, before. What can
>I expect to need, in the way of clothing, wraps, etc. for the
>next-to-last week in September? I'm not talking about "fashion" (that I
>can decide for myself), but will I need warm-weather clothing, cool/cold
>weather clothing, or should I hedge my bets with a bit of both?
> I've only been to Paris before in January-February, when I KNEW I'd
>need winter clothing, but September can vary a lot, from place to place.
> Here in Southern California, September often produces the hottest days
>of summer. I seem to recall Minnesota could be quite chilly by the end
>of September, but then winters there always started early and were much
>colder than French winters seem to be.
>It's about time to start planning what to pack, so any help will be
>appreciated. Thanks
Aug 8th 2004, 12:08 pm
#17
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Re: Speaking of weather, also....
Magda wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:12:57 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
>
> ... Precisely why I posted the question, having had no experience of Paris
> ... in September. Are you saying Paris, unlike most large cities, has no
> ... wind-chill factor to consider? BTW, Do you EVER reply to posts without
> ... putting people down? (No wonder I plonked you long ago!)
>
> Paris is "compact", Evelyn, with many buildings to stop the wind, not to mention the
> metro, which helps increase the temperature : it's always 3 to 4 degrees C warmer in Paris
> than in the suburbs. That said, September is often rainy, so bring an umbrella. And maybe
> a pair of leather gloves if you are particularly sensitive to the cold.
Thanks, Magda. The reason I asked about "wind chill" was because my
visit to New York in May would have been comfortable, had wind gusts not
dropped the "perceived" temperature to at least ten degrees F below that
registered by the thermometer. (New York is compact enough, but instead
of "stopping" the wind, the dense buildings seem to concentrate it into
the "available channels" - i.e. the streets and sidewalks.) Of course,
the winds were blowing off the Atlantic, and I'm under the impression
Paris is not right on the seacoast (also, Europe is somewhat warmed by
the Gulf Stream, which our Northeastern coasts are not).
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:12:57 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
>
> ... Precisely why I posted the question, having had no experience of Paris
> ... in September. Are you saying Paris, unlike most large cities, has no
> ... wind-chill factor to consider? BTW, Do you EVER reply to posts without
> ... putting people down? (No wonder I plonked you long ago!)
>
> Paris is "compact", Evelyn, with many buildings to stop the wind, not to mention the
> metro, which helps increase the temperature : it's always 3 to 4 degrees C warmer in Paris
> than in the suburbs. That said, September is often rainy, so bring an umbrella. And maybe
> a pair of leather gloves if you are particularly sensitive to the cold.
Thanks, Magda. The reason I asked about "wind chill" was because my
visit to New York in May would have been comfortable, had wind gusts not
dropped the "perceived" temperature to at least ten degrees F below that
registered by the thermometer. (New York is compact enough, but instead
of "stopping" the wind, the dense buildings seem to concentrate it into
the "available channels" - i.e. the streets and sidewalks.) Of course,
the winds were blowing off the Atlantic, and I'm under the impression
Paris is not right on the seacoast (also, Europe is somewhat warmed by
the Gulf Stream, which our Northeastern coasts are not).
Aug 8th 2004, 1:59 pm
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Re: Speaking of weather, also....
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Thanks, Magda. The reason I asked about "wind chill" was because my
> visit to New York in May would have been comfortable, had wind gusts
> not dropped the "perceived" temperature to at least ten degrees F
> below that registered by the thermometer. (New York is compact
> enough, but instead of "stopping" the wind, the dense buildings seem
> to concentrate it into the "available channels" - i.e. the streets and
> sidewalks.) Of course, the winds were blowing off the Atlantic, and
> I'm under the impression Paris is not right on the seacoast (also,
> Europe is somewhat warmed by the Gulf Stream, which our Northeastern
> coasts are not).
>
>
Actually I would not expect Paris to getthe urban wind tunnel effect
becasue its streets are generally wider nad the buildings are lower than
New York so there is less opportunity for the venturi effect to work its
wonders
news:[email protected]:
> Thanks, Magda. The reason I asked about "wind chill" was because my
> visit to New York in May would have been comfortable, had wind gusts
> not dropped the "perceived" temperature to at least ten degrees F
> below that registered by the thermometer. (New York is compact
> enough, but instead of "stopping" the wind, the dense buildings seem
> to concentrate it into the "available channels" - i.e. the streets and
> sidewalks.) Of course, the winds were blowing off the Atlantic, and
> I'm under the impression Paris is not right on the seacoast (also,
> Europe is somewhat warmed by the Gulf Stream, which our Northeastern
> coasts are not).
>
>
Actually I would not expect Paris to getthe urban wind tunnel effect
becasue its streets are generally wider nad the buildings are lower than
New York so there is less opportunity for the venturi effect to work its
wonders
Aug 8th 2004, 5:15 pm
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Re: Speaking of weather, also....
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) extrapolated from data available...
>
> Precisely why I posted the question, having had no experience of Paris
> in September. Are you saying Paris, unlike most large cities, has no
> wind-chill factor to consider? BTW, Do you EVER reply to posts
> without putting people down? (No wonder I plonked you long ago!)
>
You "plonked" me?
But how then can you be answering a post which you can't have read?
Dear me....
A hat is an accessory worn throughout history, ancient to modern, for a
variety of purposes of which cold is certainly a no higher priority than
drizzle, rain, hail, sleet, snow and cats & dogs when it's raining cats and
dogs. I doubt you'll find Sahara-strength sun in a Paris September, but
the sort of mists and drizzle with which a hat deals with far less effort
than furling and unfurling a 'brolly requires are not unusual.
As for your coat, I'm glad you have microfiber. It's light and more water
resistent than the "London Fogs" of yesteryear, and whenever I read your
posts, I allways worry that due to the decline in your fortunes brought
about by the current administration, you're still wearing the same plain
cloth cost that Richrad M. Nixon described pat as sentenced to back in the
50s. My goodness, how in the worl have you raised to money to get to
Paris? Pawned your dentures and your departed Dad's railroad watch?
...as for the lining, leave it at home, you silly biddy. The very
microfiber fabris which you disdain as unwarming serves better than any
lining when it comes to lessening perceived wind chill (for which we'll
leave the scientific description for your research at your local library).
Besides, late September in Paris is simply not often lining weather. Even
1940, a cold fall, did not see the first breath of Winter Icy breath from
the steppes untill about October 14 (when the oil began to thicken in the
panzers's crankcases.
TMO
>
> Precisely why I posted the question, having had no experience of Paris
> in September. Are you saying Paris, unlike most large cities, has no
> wind-chill factor to consider? BTW, Do you EVER reply to posts
> without putting people down? (No wonder I plonked you long ago!)
>
You "plonked" me?
But how then can you be answering a post which you can't have read?
Dear me....
A hat is an accessory worn throughout history, ancient to modern, for a
variety of purposes of which cold is certainly a no higher priority than
drizzle, rain, hail, sleet, snow and cats & dogs when it's raining cats and
dogs. I doubt you'll find Sahara-strength sun in a Paris September, but
the sort of mists and drizzle with which a hat deals with far less effort
than furling and unfurling a 'brolly requires are not unusual.
As for your coat, I'm glad you have microfiber. It's light and more water
resistent than the "London Fogs" of yesteryear, and whenever I read your
posts, I allways worry that due to the decline in your fortunes brought
about by the current administration, you're still wearing the same plain
cloth cost that Richrad M. Nixon described pat as sentenced to back in the
50s. My goodness, how in the worl have you raised to money to get to
Paris? Pawned your dentures and your departed Dad's railroad watch?
...as for the lining, leave it at home, you silly biddy. The very
microfiber fabris which you disdain as unwarming serves better than any
lining when it comes to lessening perceived wind chill (for which we'll
leave the scientific description for your research at your local library).
Besides, late September in Paris is simply not often lining weather. Even
1940, a cold fall, did not see the first breath of Winter Icy breath from
the steppes untill about October 14 (when the oil began to thicken in the
panzers's crankcases.
TMO
Aug 9th 2004, 7:09 am
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Re: Speaking of weather, also....
Well yes it"s most tolerable, not like Jasper or New Braunfels where the
heat can be unbearable !
Oh of course that reminds me of Willow Springs, Missouri and of course those
memorable holidays in Roundup, Montana !
Ummm what was the topic?
Oooh yes, Paris !
Duuh
Sry Magda je n'ai pas pu m'en empêcher
"Magda" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:29:49 +0200, in rec.travel.europe,
[email protected] arranged some
> electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... Yes lots. For a start I posted a link, which you snipped, that shows
> ... that it is hot in Paris (as it has been for some weeks) but don't let
> ... facts get in the way of your opinion.
> It was hot these past two weeks, but one hour ago it was raining again and
hopefully the
> next days the heat will be tolerable. Not agreeable at all, but still.
heat can be unbearable !
Oh of course that reminds me of Willow Springs, Missouri and of course those
memorable holidays in Roundup, Montana !
Ummm what was the topic?
Oooh yes, Paris !
Duuh
Sry Magda je n'ai pas pu m'en empêcher
"Magda" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:29:49 +0200, in rec.travel.europe,
[email protected] arranged some
> electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... Yes lots. For a start I posted a link, which you snipped, that shows
> ... that it is hot in Paris (as it has been for some weeks) but don't let
> ... facts get in the way of your opinion.
> It was hot these past two weeks, but one hour ago it was raining again and
hopefully the
> next days the heat will be tolerable. Not agreeable at all, but still.
Aug 9th 2004, 7:47 am
#21
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Re: Speaking of weather, also....
jcoulter wrote:
>
>
> Actually I would not expect Paris to getthe urban wind tunnel effect
> becasue its streets are generally wider nad the buildings are lower than
> New York so there is less opportunity for the venturi effect to work its
> wonders
Thanks, that makes sense. (I never quite understood WHY large
metropolitan areas so often seem windier than thir surrounding suburbs
- glad to know there's a name for it.)
>
>
> Actually I would not expect Paris to getthe urban wind tunnel effect
> becasue its streets are generally wider nad the buildings are lower than
> New York so there is less opportunity for the venturi effect to work its
> wonders
Thanks, that makes sense. (I never quite understood WHY large
metropolitan areas so often seem windier than thir surrounding suburbs
- glad to know there's a name for it.)
Aug 9th 2004, 7:58 am
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Re: Speaking of weather, also....
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:09:45 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, "Runge" <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Well yes it"s most tolerable, not like Jasper or New Braunfels where the
... heat can be unbearable !
... Oh of course that reminds me of Willow Springs, Missouri and of course those
... memorable holidays in Roundup, Montana !
... Ummm what was the topic?
... Oooh yes, Paris !
No, weather.
... Duuh
... Sry Magda je n'ai pas pu m'en empêcher
T'es tout pardonné.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Well yes it"s most tolerable, not like Jasper or New Braunfels where the
... heat can be unbearable !
... Oh of course that reminds me of Willow Springs, Missouri and of course those
... memorable holidays in Roundup, Montana !
... Ummm what was the topic?
... Oooh yes, Paris !
No, weather.
... Duuh
... Sry Magda je n'ai pas pu m'en empêcher
T'es tout pardonné.
Aug 9th 2004, 2:37 pm
#23
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Re: Speaking of weather, also....
I've been in Paris in Sept (late Sept.) and it was very pleasant. I
had an unlined microfiber coat, and some days it was too warm for that
(evenin the evenings). Mostly I used it for rainy days in other parts
of France (it had a hood and I can't abide carrying an umbrella). I
can't imagine you would need a lining. Even at the very end of Sept.
the gardens at Giverny were in full bloom, there were some sunny days
and a light cardigan was enough. On the few occasions when it
rained, it was soft drizzle, warm rain, nothing like cold wintry
rains, or the mistral we encountered in southern France in October,
which practically blew us off our feet!
You want cold, go to Venice in February...brr...borderline freezing
temps, and dense fog, where the dampness just seeps into your
bones...but far fewer tourists to share the city with you....and a
lovely mysterious atmosphere for exploring..
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:12:57 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Olivers wrote:
>>
>> Unless this year's last week of September represents a leap from tradition,
>> you certainly won't want to carry a lining for an all weather cost.
>Uh..... "all weather COST"? (Aren't they all?)
>> In
>> fact the lighter and less bulky the coat the better, with the new
>> microfibers and their weightless crushability being a bonus.
>The coat IS microfiber - so? (I'm certainly not about to buy another,
>when I have no need for it at home!)
>> Lighweight, water-resistant crushable hat?
>If it's cold enough for a HAT, it would certainly be cold enough for a
>warmly lined coat, IMO!
>> Paris can
>> be dank and chilly, but it's not some barren Breton Cape in a gale or
>> Pentland Forth on the deck of a herring schuit.
>Precisely why I posted the question, having had no experience of Paris
>in September. Are you saying Paris, unlike most large cities, has no
>wind-chill factor to consider? BTW, Do you EVER reply to posts without
>putting people down? (No wonder I plonked you long ago!)
had an unlined microfiber coat, and some days it was too warm for that
(evenin the evenings). Mostly I used it for rainy days in other parts
of France (it had a hood and I can't abide carrying an umbrella). I
can't imagine you would need a lining. Even at the very end of Sept.
the gardens at Giverny were in full bloom, there were some sunny days
and a light cardigan was enough. On the few occasions when it
rained, it was soft drizzle, warm rain, nothing like cold wintry
rains, or the mistral we encountered in southern France in October,
which practically blew us off our feet!
You want cold, go to Venice in February...brr...borderline freezing
temps, and dense fog, where the dampness just seeps into your
bones...but far fewer tourists to share the city with you....and a
lovely mysterious atmosphere for exploring..
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:12:57 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Olivers wrote:
>>
>> Unless this year's last week of September represents a leap from tradition,
>> you certainly won't want to carry a lining for an all weather cost.
>Uh..... "all weather COST"? (Aren't they all?)
>> In
>> fact the lighter and less bulky the coat the better, with the new
>> microfibers and their weightless crushability being a bonus.
>The coat IS microfiber - so? (I'm certainly not about to buy another,
>when I have no need for it at home!)
>> Lighweight, water-resistant crushable hat?
>If it's cold enough for a HAT, it would certainly be cold enough for a
>warmly lined coat, IMO!
>> Paris can
>> be dank and chilly, but it's not some barren Breton Cape in a gale or
>> Pentland Forth on the deck of a herring schuit.
>Precisely why I posted the question, having had no experience of Paris
>in September. Are you saying Paris, unlike most large cities, has no
>wind-chill factor to consider? BTW, Do you EVER reply to posts without
>putting people down? (No wonder I plonked you long ago!)
