Socialized medicine Europe:UK news media admits NHS cancer survival rate lowest in Eu
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article2296368.ece
>From The Times August 21, 2007 UK cancer survival rates are among the worst in Europe Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor Excerpts: "Cancer patients in almost all European countries survive longer after diagnosis than those in the UK. Only Eastern Europe does worse.... ....Countries that spend more on health generally do better,..... ....Europe's survival rates are lower than in the US, where 66.3 per cent of men and 62.9 per cent of women survive for five years, compared with 47.3 per cent of European men and 55.8 per cent of women. These figures may represent earlier diagnosis." but, but ,but the US spends more per capita on health care than any European country with European unworkable socialized medicine schemes. |
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On Aug 23, 9:10 am, P J O'donovan <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2296368.ece > > >From The Times > > August 21, 2007 > > UK cancer survival rates are among the worst in Europe > > Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor > > Excerpts: > > "Cancer patients in almost all European countries survive longer after > diagnosis than those in the UK. Only Eastern Europe does worse.... > > ....Countries that spend more on health generally do better,..... > > ....Europe's survival rates are lower than in the US, where 66.3 per > cent of men and 62.9 per cent of women survive for five years, > compared with 47.3 per cent of European men and 55.8 per cent of > women. These figures may represent earlier diagnosis." > > but, but ,but the US spends more per capita on health care than any > European country with European unworkable socialized medicine schemes. I believe the technical expression is "data swamping". Great way of abusing statistics. |
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On 23 Aug, 15:50, me <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 23, 9:10 am, P J O'donovan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2296368.ece > > > >From The Times > > > August 21, 2007 > > > UK cancer survival rates are among the worst in Europe > > > Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor > > > Excerpts: > > > "Cancer patients in almost all European countries survive longer after > > diagnosis than those in the UK. Only Eastern Europe does worse.... > > > ....Countries that spend more on health generally do better,..... > > > ....Europe's survival rates are lower than in the US, where 66.3 per > > cent of men and 62.9 per cent of women survive for five years, > > compared with 47.3 per cent of European men and 55.8 per cent of > > women. These figures may represent earlier diagnosis." > > > but, but ,but the US spends more per capita on health care than any > > European country with European unworkable socialized medicine schemes. > > I believe the technical expression is "data swamping". Great way of > abusing statistics. 'signifigantly' !! |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:10:04 -0700, P J O'donovan <[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2296368.ece > >>From The Times > >August 21, 2007 > >UK cancer survival rates are among the worst in Europe > >Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor > >Excerpts: > >"Cancer patients in almost all European countries survive longer after >diagnosis than those in the UK. Only Eastern Europe does worse.... > >....Countries that spend more on health generally do better,..... > >....Europe's survival rates are lower than in the US, where 66.3 per >cent of men and 62.9 per cent of women survive for five years, >compared with 47.3 per cent of European men and 55.8 per cent of >women. These figures may represent earlier diagnosis." > >but, but ,but the US spends more per capita on health care than any >European country with European unworkable socialized medicine schemes. as was explained over and over again on the radio. The figures are from the 1990s and are being compared to figures from the last five years. The Times is a Murdoch comic and not the serious newspaper it was before he bought it. -- Martin |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:15:36 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:10:04 -0700, P J O'donovan <[email protected]> wrote: > >>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2296368.ece >> >>>From The Times >> >>August 21, 2007 >> >>UK cancer survival rates are among the worst in Europe >> >>Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor >> >>Excerpts: >> >>"Cancer patients in almost all European countries survive longer after >>diagnosis than those in the UK. Only Eastern Europe does worse.... >> >>....Countries that spend more on health generally do better,..... >> >>....Europe's survival rates are lower than in the US, where 66.3 per >>cent of men and 62.9 per cent of women survive for five years, >>compared with 47.3 per cent of European men and 55.8 per cent of >>women. These figures may represent earlier diagnosis." >> >>but, but ,but the US spends more per capita on health care than any >>European country with European unworkable socialized medicine schemes. > >as was explained over and over again on the radio. The figures are from the >1990s and are being compared to figures from the last five years. > >The Times is a Murdoch comic and not the serious newspaper it was before he >bought it. >-- So what are they now then? |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:15:36 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>but, but ,but the US spends more per capita on health care than any >>European country with European unworkable socialized medicine schemes. > >as was explained over and over again on the radio. The figures are from the >1990s and are being compared to figures from the last five years. > >The Times is a Murdoch comic and not the serious newspaper it was before he >bought it. Maybe this response is more accurate? Just caught up on my T2 reading from August 20, 2007. I was disgusted with the way that the elderly man was treated in hospital in the article, "Dad deserved dignity, not this". My 21 year old son was in hospital for one week last year. I was able to visit him at all opportunities and I witnessed a very disturbing event. An older lady had broken her neck, and was lying in a room by herself. My son told me that she had been shouting for the nurse all night . When I was visiting she was still shouting for the nurse and I was alarmed that they didn't respond. They were all collecting around the station talking. They deliberatelly and spitefully did not respond to see what was wrong and to give her a kind word. The nurses became very buisy when they saw me watching them in the corridor. I was very upset at the nurses behaviour. So, just pray that you have the time to spend with your parent if they should have to go into hospital. Janette Leung, bangor, Wales |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:37:17 GMT, [email protected]
(John Kulp) wrote: >On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:15:36 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>but, but ,but the US spends more per capita on health care than any >>>European country with European unworkable socialized medicine schemes. >> >>as was explained over and over again on the radio. The figures are from the >>1990s and are being compared to figures from the last five years. >> >>The Times is a Murdoch comic and not the serious newspaper it was before he >>bought it. > >Maybe this response is more accurate? > >Just caught up on my T2 reading from August 20, 2007. I was disgusted >with the way that the elderly man was treated in hospital in the >article, "Dad deserved dignity, not this". My 21 year old son was in >hospital for one week last year. I was able to visit him at all >opportunities and I witnessed a very disturbing event. >An older lady had broken her neck, and was lying in a room by herself. >My son told me that she had been shouting for the nurse all night . >When I was visiting she was still shouting for the nurse and I was >alarmed that they didn't respond. They were all collecting around the >station talking. They deliberatelly and spitefully did not respond to >see what was wrong and to give her a kind word. The nurses became very >buisy when they saw me watching them in the corridor. >I was very upset at the nurses behaviour. >So, just pray that you have the time to spend with your parent if they >should have to go into hospital. > >Janette Leung, bangor, Wales No comment needed: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/233876.html Cheers, Alan, Australia |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:37:04 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>The Times is a Murdoch comic and not the serious newspaper it was before he >>>bought it. >> >>Maybe this response is more accurate? >> >>Just caught up on my T2 reading from August 20, 2007. I was disgusted >>with the way that the elderly man was treated in hospital in the >>article, "Dad deserved dignity, not this". My 21 year old son was in >>hospital for one week last year. I was able to visit him at all >>opportunities and I witnessed a very disturbing event. >>An older lady had broken her neck, and was lying in a room by herself. >>My son told me that she had been shouting for the nurse all night . >>When I was visiting she was still shouting for the nurse and I was >>alarmed that they didn't respond. They were all collecting around the >>station talking. They deliberatelly and spitefully did not respond to >>see what was wrong and to give her a kind word. The nurses became very >>buisy when they saw me watching them in the corridor. >>I was very upset at the nurses behaviour. >>So, just pray that you have the time to spend with your parent if they >>should have to go into hospital. >> >>Janette Leung, bangor, Wales > >No comment needed: >http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/233876.html Both have their problems don't they? In any case, a few people thought the story was worth commenting on, as their are about 15 pages worth after the article. |
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On 24 Aug, 01:01, [email protected] (John Kulp) wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:37:04 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>The Times is a Murdoch comic and not the serious newspaper it was before he > >>>bought it. > > >>Maybe this response is more accurate? > > >>Just caught up on my T2 reading from August 20, 2007. I was disgusted > >>with the way that the elderly man was treated in hospital in the > >>article, "Dad deserved dignity, not this". My 21 year old son was in > >>hospital for one week last year. I was able to visit him at all > >>opportunities and I witnessed a very disturbing event. > >>An older lady had broken her neck, and was lying in a room by herself. > >>My son told me that she had been shouting for the nurse all night . > >>When I was visiting she was still shouting for the nurse and I was > >>alarmed that they didn't respond. They were all collecting around the > >>station talking. They deliberatelly and spitefully did not respond to > >>see what was wrong and to give her a kind word. The nurses became very > >>buisy when they saw me watching them in the corridor. > >>I was very upset at the nurses behaviour. > >>So, just pray that you have the time to spend with your parent if they > >>should have to go into hospital. > > >>Janette Leung, bangor, Wales > > >No comment needed: > >http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/233876.html > > Both have their problems don't they? In any case, a few people > thought the story was worth commenting on, as their are about 15 pages > worth after the article. Three British troops have been killed in Afghanistan by so-called friendly fire, the Ministry of Defence has said. The MoD said the soldiers, from 1st Battalion The Royal Anglian Regiment, were killed at around 1830 local time (1500 BST) on Thursday. It is understood the soldiers died when US fighter planes, called to support ground troops, dropped a bomb near their patrol in Helmand province. |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:20:55 -0700, Ribka <[email protected]>
wrote: >> >No comment needed: >> >http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/233876.html >> >> Both have their problems don't they? In any case, a few people >> thought the story was worth commenting on, as their are about 15 pages >> worth after the article. > >Three British troops have been killed in Afghanistan by so-called >friendly fire, the Ministry of Defence has said. > >The MoD said the soldiers, from 1st Battalion The Royal Anglian >Regiment, were killed at around 1830 local time (1500 BST) on >Thursday. > >It is understood the soldiers died when US fighter planes, called to >support ground troops, dropped a bomb near their patrol in Helmand >province. > And this has what to do with the thread? |
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On 24 Aug, 16:30, [email protected] (John Kulp) wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:20:55 -0700, Ribka <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> >No comment needed: > >> >http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/233876.html > > >> Both have their problems don't they? In any case, a few people > >> thought the story was worth commenting on, as their are about 15 pages > >> worth after the article. > > >Three British troops have been killed in Afghanistan by so-called > >friendly fire, the Ministry of Defence has said. > > >The MoD said the soldiers, from 1st Battalion The Royal Anglian > >Regiment, were killed at around 1830 local time (1500 BST) on > >Thursday. > > >It is understood the soldiers died when US fighter planes, called to > >support ground troops, dropped a bomb near their patrol in Helmand > >province. > > And this has what to do with the thread? and this thread had **** all to do with european travel...... |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:32:28 -0700, Ribka <[email protected]>
wrote: >On 24 Aug, 16:30, [email protected] (John Kulp) wrote: >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:20:55 -0700, Ribka <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >No comment needed: >> >> >http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/233876.html >> >> >> Both have their problems don't they? In any case, a few people >> >> thought the story was worth commenting on, as their are about 15 pages >> >> worth after the article. >> >> >Three British troops have been killed in Afghanistan by so-called >> >friendly fire, the Ministry of Defence has said. >> >> >The MoD said the soldiers, from 1st Battalion The Royal Anglian >> >Regiment, were killed at around 1830 local time (1500 BST) on >> >Thursday. >> >> >It is understood the soldiers died when US fighter planes, called to >> >support ground troops, dropped a bomb near their patrol in Helmand >> >province. >> >> And this has what to do with the thread? > >and this thread had **** all to do with european travel...... > Good as any for the subject, especially since people advocate travelling for medical care |
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On 24 Aug, 20:14, [email protected] (John Kulp) wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:32:28 -0700, Ribka <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >On 24 Aug, 16:30, [email protected] (John Kulp) wrote: > >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:20:55 -0700, Ribka <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >> >> >No comment needed: > >> >> >http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/233876.html > > >> >> Both have their problems don't they? In any case, a few people > >> >> thought the story was worth commenting on, as their are about 15 pages > >> >> worth after the article. > > >> >Three British troops have been killed in Afghanistan by so-called > >> >friendly fire, the Ministry of Defence has said. > > >> >The MoD said the soldiers, from 1st Battalion The Royal Anglian > >> >Regiment, were killed at around 1830 local time (1500 BST) on > >> >Thursday. > > >> >It is understood the soldiers died when US fighter planes, called to > >> >support ground troops, dropped a bomb near their patrol in Helmand > >> >province. > > >> And this has what to do with the thread? > > >and this thread had **** all to do with european travel...... > > Good as any for the subject, especially since people advocate > travelling for medical care but not British soldiers when there are Americans in the neighbourhood |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:27:08 -0700, Ribka <[email protected]>
wrote: >> >> And this has what to do with the thread? >> >> >and this thread had **** all to do with european travel...... >> >> Good as any for the subject, especially since people advocate >> travelling for medical care > >but not British soldiers when there are Americans in the neighbourhood > Forgot completely about what they did in Northern Ireland huh? |
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On 25 Aug, 00:34, [email protected] (John Kulp) wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:27:08 -0700, Ribka <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> >> And this has what to do with the thread? > > >> >and this thread had **** all to do with european travel...... > > >> Good as any for the subject, especially since people advocate > >> travelling for medical care > > >but not British soldiers when there are Americans in the neighbourhood > > Forgot completely about what they did in Northern Ireland huh? thats why they have a political solution, cos its the only one that works but luckily they also don't have any oil fields otherwise the Americans would be in there bombing everyone |
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