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Smoking No Longer Chic In France....
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
October 6, 2006
Paris Journal
Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
By ELAINE SCIOLINO
"PARIS, Oct. 5 - Jean-Paul Sartre smoked. So did Colette, Cocteau, Camus and
Coco Chanel.
One of the most memorable scenes in French films is Jean-Paul Belmondo
lifting his head, dragging on a cigarette and rubbing his thumb back and
forth across his lips in "Breathless." (He smokes about two dozen times in
the movie.)
There is something about smoking that seems very French.
But as in other European countries, smoking in public increasingly has
fallen out of favor here. This week, after a five-month governmental
inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in
public areas.
Under the measure, cafes, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could
designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed
areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely
rigorous health norms."
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to
proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do not
make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of Parliament
on Monday.
But not everyone here agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and
bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French
value - the rights of the individual.
"I see this as a personal attack," said Andr� Santini, a center-right member
of Parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed for
photographers this week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly
building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They tell
you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."
At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars and
cigarillos, only candy and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will
eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National
Assembly itself.
"I'll end my life where I started it - in the men's room," said Jean-Pierre
Balligand, a lawmaker from eastern France. "I started smoking like every
other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where I
'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school
principal, Mr. Debr�, screams at us for smoking."
The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debr�, the president of the National
Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside
Parliament to "set the example."
France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries. Nicotine,
after all, is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th century ambassador to Portugal
who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a
cure for her migraines.
But France was also in the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in Europe,
passing the toughest legislation on the Continent in 1991. Smoking was
banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated
areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette
advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes, and application of
the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it
difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.
President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packs a day,
declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003 and imposed steep tax increases on
cigarettes. Today, nearly 80 percent of the French support the idea of a
smoking ban in public places.
Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20 percent of the population -
are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than 70,000
people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and
secondhand smoke.
Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people.
French public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during breaks.
Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in Paris,
still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.
But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We serve
gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said Beno�t
Rade, one of Prunier's ma�tres d'h�tel. "Smoke is a problem for most of our
employees, some clients, too. A client can abstain from smoking for one hour
or so. It will be much nicer."
La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a
haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last
July in anticipation of a government decree.
The new campaign to ban public smoking follows smoking bans of varying
degrees - and varying degrees of opposition - throughout Europe.
Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
cigarettes.
Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and a
decline in profits. They certainly (since this is France) would demand
compensation.
"There is going to be considerable damage," said Fran�ois Attrazic, the
leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant
owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be
because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries that
have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25 to 30 percent in sales in some
establishments."
The issue was so divisive that Mr. de Villepin postponed a decision last
spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep
evaluation of the different solutions." Mr. Bertrand, who has long advocated
a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last week,
"My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as
soon as possible."
Once Mr. de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued as
a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will
prevent the Parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban,
which would go into effect sometime before next September.
Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further.
Charles-Am�d�e de Courson, a center-right member, last year introduced a
proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars,
arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to
smoke.
Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
Ariane Bernard contributed reporting.
October 6, 2006
Paris Journal
Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
By ELAINE SCIOLINO
"PARIS, Oct. 5 - Jean-Paul Sartre smoked. So did Colette, Cocteau, Camus and
Coco Chanel.
One of the most memorable scenes in French films is Jean-Paul Belmondo
lifting his head, dragging on a cigarette and rubbing his thumb back and
forth across his lips in "Breathless." (He smokes about two dozen times in
the movie.)
There is something about smoking that seems very French.
But as in other European countries, smoking in public increasingly has
fallen out of favor here. This week, after a five-month governmental
inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in
public areas.
Under the measure, cafes, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could
designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed
areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely
rigorous health norms."
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to
proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do not
make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of Parliament
on Monday.
But not everyone here agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and
bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French
value - the rights of the individual.
"I see this as a personal attack," said Andr� Santini, a center-right member
of Parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed for
photographers this week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly
building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They tell
you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."
At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars and
cigarillos, only candy and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will
eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National
Assembly itself.
"I'll end my life where I started it - in the men's room," said Jean-Pierre
Balligand, a lawmaker from eastern France. "I started smoking like every
other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where I
'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school
principal, Mr. Debr�, screams at us for smoking."
The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debr�, the president of the National
Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside
Parliament to "set the example."
France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries. Nicotine,
after all, is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th century ambassador to Portugal
who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a
cure for her migraines.
But France was also in the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in Europe,
passing the toughest legislation on the Continent in 1991. Smoking was
banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated
areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette
advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes, and application of
the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it
difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.
President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packs a day,
declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003 and imposed steep tax increases on
cigarettes. Today, nearly 80 percent of the French support the idea of a
smoking ban in public places.
Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20 percent of the population -
are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than 70,000
people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and
secondhand smoke.
Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people.
French public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during breaks.
Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in Paris,
still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.
But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We serve
gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said Beno�t
Rade, one of Prunier's ma�tres d'h�tel. "Smoke is a problem for most of our
employees, some clients, too. A client can abstain from smoking for one hour
or so. It will be much nicer."
La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a
haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last
July in anticipation of a government decree.
The new campaign to ban public smoking follows smoking bans of varying
degrees - and varying degrees of opposition - throughout Europe.
Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
cigarettes.
Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and a
decline in profits. They certainly (since this is France) would demand
compensation.
"There is going to be considerable damage," said Fran�ois Attrazic, the
leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant
owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be
because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries that
have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25 to 30 percent in sales in some
establishments."
The issue was so divisive that Mr. de Villepin postponed a decision last
spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep
evaluation of the different solutions." Mr. Bertrand, who has long advocated
a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last week,
"My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as
soon as possible."
Once Mr. de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued as
a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will
prevent the Parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban,
which would go into effect sometime before next September.
Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further.
Charles-Am�d�e de Courson, a center-right member, last year introduced a
proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars,
arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to
smoke.
Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
Ariane Bernard contributed reporting.
Oct 5th 2006, 8:22 pm
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:41:15 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
>public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
>overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
>restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
>offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
>cigarettes.
I disagree completely about the "fierce public resistance". There were
some noisy protests, but they subsided quickly when the smokers
realized that the vast majority of the public approved the ban. In
fact, even in places where smoking is not banned, public censure has
prevented people from lighting up. I was at a huge wedding where lunch
was in a partially open pavilion, and there were ashtrays on the
tables. In spite of that, I didn't see any of the more than 300 guests
light up inside the pavilion.
>Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
>proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
Now there's a great idea.
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<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
>public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
>overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
>restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
>offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
>cigarettes.
I disagree completely about the "fierce public resistance". There were
some noisy protests, but they subsided quickly when the smokers
realized that the vast majority of the public approved the ban. In
fact, even in places where smoking is not banned, public censure has
prevented people from lighting up. I was at a huge wedding where lunch
was in a partially open pavilion, and there were ashtrays on the
tables. In spite of that, I didn't see any of the more than 300 guests
light up inside the pavilion.
>Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
>proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
Now there's a great idea.
--
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My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Oct 5th 2006, 9:11 pm
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:22:29 +0200, B
Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
>>proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
>Now there's a great idea.
Sounds rather painful. I hope they also fine them if they
throw their cigarette ends on the street.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
>>proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
>Now there's a great idea.
Sounds rather painful. I hope they also fine them if they
throw their cigarette ends on the street.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
Oct 5th 2006, 9:48 pm
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:41:15 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
>public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
>overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
>restaurants.
Pig's arse there was 'fierce resistance'! I never heard a damn thing
about it!
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<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
>public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
>overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
>restaurants.
Pig's arse there was 'fierce resistance'! I never heard a damn thing
about it!
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Oct 6th 2006, 1:02 am
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A similar thing might happen in Germany. Smoking is to be outlawed in public
buildings and schools, and possibly in restaurants and pubs.
The cigarette industry has heavily donated to all political parties,
especially the conservative ones, but it seems these donations might become
a public issue and pubs also might become smoke-free.
The minister for public health, Horst Seehofer, has a heart condition that
might have come from smoking. If he listens to his doctor, the no-smoking
campaign would take place with German thoroughness.
Turan
What is the name of the Chinese Surgeon General? "No Smo King!"
buildings and schools, and possibly in restaurants and pubs.
The cigarette industry has heavily donated to all political parties,
especially the conservative ones, but it seems these donations might become
a public issue and pubs also might become smoke-free.
The minister for public health, Horst Seehofer, has a heart condition that
might have come from smoking. If he listens to his doctor, the no-smoking
campaign would take place with German thoroughness.
Turan
What is the name of the Chinese Surgeon General? "No Smo King!"
Oct 6th 2006, 2:53 am
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Gregory Morrow a �crit :
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> October 6, 2006
> Paris Journal
> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> By ELAINE SCIOLINO
> "PARIS, Oct. 5 - Jean-Paul Sartre smoked. So did Colette, Cocteau, Camus and
> Coco Chanel.
> One of the most memorable scenes in French films is Jean-Paul Belmondo
> lifting his head, dragging on a cigarette and rubbing his thumb back and
> forth across his lips in "Breathless." (He smokes about two dozen times in
> the movie.)
> There is something about smoking that seems very French.
> But as in other European countries, smoking in public increasingly has
> fallen out of favor here. This week, after a five-month governmental
> inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in
> public areas.
> Under the measure, cafes, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could
> designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed
> areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely
> rigorous health norms."
> Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to
> proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do not
> make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of Parliament
> on Monday.
> But not everyone here agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and
> bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French
> value - the rights of the individual.
> "I see this as a personal attack," said Andr� Santini, a center-right member
> of Parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed for
> photographers this week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly
> building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They tell
> you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."
> At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars and
> cigarillos, only candy and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will
> eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National
> Assembly itself.
> "I'll end my life where I started it - in the men's room," said Jean-Pierre
> Balligand, a lawmaker from eastern France. "I started smoking like every
> other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where I
> 'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school
> principal, Mr. Debr�, screams at us for smoking."
> The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debr�, the president of the National
> Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside
> Parliament to "set the example."
> France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries. Nicotine,
> after all, is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th century ambassador to Portugal
> who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a
> cure for her migraines.
> But France was also in the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in Europe,
> passing the toughest legislation on the Continent in 1991. Smoking was
> banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated
> areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette
> advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes, and application of
> the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it
> difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.
> President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packs a day,
> declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003 and imposed steep tax increases on
> cigarettes. Today, nearly 80 percent of the French support the idea of a
> smoking ban in public places.
> Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20 percent of the population -
> are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than 70,000
> people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and
> secondhand smoke.
> Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people.
> French public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during breaks.
> Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in Paris,
> still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.
> But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We serve
> gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said Beno�t
> Rade, one of Prunier's ma�tres d'h�tel. "Smoke is a problem for most of our
> employees, some clients, too. A client can abstain from smoking for one hour
> or so. It will be much nicer."
> La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a
> haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last
> July in anticipation of a government decree.
> The new campaign to ban public smoking follows smoking bans of varying
> degrees - and varying degrees of opposition - throughout Europe.
> Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
> public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
> overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
> restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
> offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
> cigarettes.
> Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and a
> decline in profits. They certainly (since this is France) would demand
> compensation.
> "There is going to be considerable damage," said Fran�ois Attrazic, the
> leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant
> owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be
> because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries that
> have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25 to 30 percent in sales in some
> establishments."
> The issue was so divisive that Mr. de Villepin postponed a decision last
> spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep
> evaluation of the different solutions." Mr. Bertrand, who has long advocated
> a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last week,
> "My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as
> soon as possible."
> Once Mr. de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued as
> a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will
> prevent the Parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban,
> which would go into effect sometime before next September.
> Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further.
> Charles-Am�d�e de Courson, a center-right member, last year introduced a
> proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars,
> arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to
> smoke.
> Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
> proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
> Ariane Bernard contributed reporting.
A few months to wait yet!
I like cafes a lot but I cannot stand smoke.
In restaurant it spoils your eating experience and prevents you from
enjoying your wine...
The earliest the better!
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> October 6, 2006
> Paris Journal
> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> By ELAINE SCIOLINO
> "PARIS, Oct. 5 - Jean-Paul Sartre smoked. So did Colette, Cocteau, Camus and
> Coco Chanel.
> One of the most memorable scenes in French films is Jean-Paul Belmondo
> lifting his head, dragging on a cigarette and rubbing his thumb back and
> forth across his lips in "Breathless." (He smokes about two dozen times in
> the movie.)
> There is something about smoking that seems very French.
> But as in other European countries, smoking in public increasingly has
> fallen out of favor here. This week, after a five-month governmental
> inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in
> public areas.
> Under the measure, cafes, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could
> designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed
> areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely
> rigorous health norms."
> Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to
> proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do not
> make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of Parliament
> on Monday.
> But not everyone here agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and
> bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French
> value - the rights of the individual.
> "I see this as a personal attack," said Andr� Santini, a center-right member
> of Parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed for
> photographers this week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly
> building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They tell
> you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."
> At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars and
> cigarillos, only candy and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will
> eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National
> Assembly itself.
> "I'll end my life where I started it - in the men's room," said Jean-Pierre
> Balligand, a lawmaker from eastern France. "I started smoking like every
> other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where I
> 'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school
> principal, Mr. Debr�, screams at us for smoking."
> The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debr�, the president of the National
> Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside
> Parliament to "set the example."
> France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries. Nicotine,
> after all, is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th century ambassador to Portugal
> who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a
> cure for her migraines.
> But France was also in the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in Europe,
> passing the toughest legislation on the Continent in 1991. Smoking was
> banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated
> areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette
> advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes, and application of
> the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it
> difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.
> President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packs a day,
> declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003 and imposed steep tax increases on
> cigarettes. Today, nearly 80 percent of the French support the idea of a
> smoking ban in public places.
> Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20 percent of the population -
> are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than 70,000
> people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and
> secondhand smoke.
> Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people.
> French public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during breaks.
> Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in Paris,
> still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.
> But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We serve
> gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said Beno�t
> Rade, one of Prunier's ma�tres d'h�tel. "Smoke is a problem for most of our
> employees, some clients, too. A client can abstain from smoking for one hour
> or so. It will be much nicer."
> La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a
> haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last
> July in anticipation of a government decree.
> The new campaign to ban public smoking follows smoking bans of varying
> degrees - and varying degrees of opposition - throughout Europe.
> Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
> public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
> overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
> restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
> offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
> cigarettes.
> Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and a
> decline in profits. They certainly (since this is France) would demand
> compensation.
> "There is going to be considerable damage," said Fran�ois Attrazic, the
> leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant
> owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be
> because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries that
> have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25 to 30 percent in sales in some
> establishments."
> The issue was so divisive that Mr. de Villepin postponed a decision last
> spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep
> evaluation of the different solutions." Mr. Bertrand, who has long advocated
> a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last week,
> "My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as
> soon as possible."
> Once Mr. de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued as
> a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will
> prevent the Parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban,
> which would go into effect sometime before next September.
> Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further.
> Charles-Am�d�e de Courson, a center-right member, last year introduced a
> proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars,
> arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to
> smoke.
> Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
> proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
> Ariane Bernard contributed reporting.
A few months to wait yet!
I like cafes a lot but I cannot stand smoke.
In restaurant it spoils your eating experience and prevents you from
enjoying your wine...
The earliest the better!
Oct 6th 2006, 4:56 am
#7
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Posts: n/a
Re: Smoking No Longer Chic In France....
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:11:45 +1000, Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:22:29 +0200, B
>Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
>>>proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
>>Now there's a great idea.
>Sounds rather painful. I hope they also fine them if they
>throw their cigarette ends on the street.
*laugh*
>On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:22:29 +0200, B
>Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
>>>proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
>>Now there's a great idea.
>Sounds rather painful. I hope they also fine them if they
>throw their cigarette ends on the street.
*laugh*
Oct 6th 2006, 7:21 am
#8
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Re: morrow was never Chic In France....
Goodie morrow has found at last a non sexual topic, except that it is not in
topic with the group but who cares, eh ,
"Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net>
a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected] et...
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> October 6, 2006
> Paris Journal
> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> By ELAINE SCIOLINO
> "PARIS, Oct. 5 - Jean-Paul Sartre smoked. So did Colette, Cocteau, Camus
> and
> Coco Chanel.
> One of the most memorable scenes in French films is Jean-Paul Belmondo
> lifting his head, dragging on a cigarette and rubbing his thumb back and
> forth across his lips in "Breathless." (He smokes about two dozen times in
> the movie.)
> There is something about smoking that seems very French.
> But as in other European countries, smoking in public increasingly has
> fallen out of favor here. This week, after a five-month governmental
> inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in
> public areas.
> Under the measure, cafes, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could
> designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed
> areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely
> rigorous health norms."
> Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to
> proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do
> not
> make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of
> Parliament
> on Monday.
> But not everyone here agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and
> bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French
> value - the rights of the individual.
> "I see this as a personal attack," said Andr� Santini, a center-right
> member
> of Parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed
> for
> photographers this week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly
> building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They
> tell
> you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."
> At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars
> and
> cigarillos, only candy and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will
> eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National
> Assembly itself.
> "I'll end my life where I started it - in the men's room," said
> Jean-Pierre
> Balligand, a lawmaker from eastern France. "I started smoking like every
> other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where
> I
> 'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school
> principal, Mr. Debr�, screams at us for smoking."
> The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debr�, the president of the National
> Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside
> Parliament to "set the example."
> France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries.
> Nicotine,
> after all, is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th century ambassador to
> Portugal
> who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a
> cure for her migraines.
> But France was also in the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in
> Europe,
> passing the toughest legislation on the Continent in 1991. Smoking was
> banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated
> areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette
> advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes, and application
> of
> the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it
> difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.
> President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packs a day,
> declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003 and imposed steep tax increases on
> cigarettes. Today, nearly 80 percent of the French support the idea of a
> smoking ban in public places.
> Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20 percent of the
> population -
> are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than
> 70,000
> people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and
> secondhand smoke.
> Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people.
> French public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during
> breaks.
> Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in
> Paris,
> still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.
> But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We
> serve
> gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said
> Beno�t
> Rade, one of Prunier's ma�tres d'h�tel. "Smoke is a problem for most of
> our
> employees, some clients, too. A client can abstain from smoking for one
> hour
> or so. It will be much nicer."
> La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a
> haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last
> July in anticipation of a government decree.
> The new campaign to ban public smoking follows smoking bans of varying
> degrees - and varying degrees of opposition - throughout Europe.
> Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
> public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
> overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
> restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
> offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
> cigarettes.
> Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and
> a
> decline in profits. They certainly (since this is France) would demand
> compensation.
> "There is going to be considerable damage," said Fran�ois Attrazic, the
> leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant
> owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be
> because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries
> that
> have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25 to 30 percent in sales in
> some
> establishments."
> The issue was so divisive that Mr. de Villepin postponed a decision last
> spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep
> evaluation of the different solutions." Mr. Bertrand, who has long
> advocated
> a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last
> week,
> "My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as
> soon as possible."
> Once Mr. de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued
> as
> a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will
> prevent the Parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban,
> which would go into effect sometime before next September.
> Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further.
> Charles-Am�d�e de Courson, a center-right member, last year introduced a
> proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars,
> arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to
> smoke.
> Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
> proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
> Ariane Bernard contributed reporting.
>
topic with the group but who cares, eh ,
"Gregory Morrow" <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net>
a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected] et...
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> October 6, 2006
> Paris Journal
> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> By ELAINE SCIOLINO
> "PARIS, Oct. 5 - Jean-Paul Sartre smoked. So did Colette, Cocteau, Camus
> and
> Coco Chanel.
> One of the most memorable scenes in French films is Jean-Paul Belmondo
> lifting his head, dragging on a cigarette and rubbing his thumb back and
> forth across his lips in "Breathless." (He smokes about two dozen times in
> the movie.)
> There is something about smoking that seems very French.
> But as in other European countries, smoking in public increasingly has
> fallen out of favor here. This week, after a five-month governmental
> inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in
> public areas.
> Under the measure, cafes, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could
> designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed
> areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely
> rigorous health norms."
> Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to
> proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do
> not
> make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of
> Parliament
> on Monday.
> But not everyone here agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and
> bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French
> value - the rights of the individual.
> "I see this as a personal attack," said Andr� Santini, a center-right
> member
> of Parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed
> for
> photographers this week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly
> building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They
> tell
> you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."
> At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars
> and
> cigarillos, only candy and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will
> eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National
> Assembly itself.
> "I'll end my life where I started it - in the men's room," said
> Jean-Pierre
> Balligand, a lawmaker from eastern France. "I started smoking like every
> other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where
> I
> 'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school
> principal, Mr. Debr�, screams at us for smoking."
> The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debr�, the president of the National
> Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside
> Parliament to "set the example."
> France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries.
> Nicotine,
> after all, is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th century ambassador to
> Portugal
> who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a
> cure for her migraines.
> But France was also in the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in
> Europe,
> passing the toughest legislation on the Continent in 1991. Smoking was
> banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated
> areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette
> advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes, and application
> of
> the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it
> difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.
> President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packs a day,
> declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003 and imposed steep tax increases on
> cigarettes. Today, nearly 80 percent of the French support the idea of a
> smoking ban in public places.
> Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20 percent of the
> population -
> are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than
> 70,000
> people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and
> secondhand smoke.
> Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people.
> French public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during
> breaks.
> Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in
> Paris,
> still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.
> But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We
> serve
> gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said
> Beno�t
> Rade, one of Prunier's ma�tres d'h�tel. "Smoke is a problem for most of
> our
> employees, some clients, too. A client can abstain from smoking for one
> hour
> or so. It will be much nicer."
> La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a
> haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last
> July in anticipation of a government decree.
> The new campaign to ban public smoking follows smoking bans of varying
> degrees - and varying degrees of opposition - throughout Europe.
> Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
> public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
> overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
> restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
> offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
> cigarettes.
> Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and
> a
> decline in profits. They certainly (since this is France) would demand
> compensation.
> "There is going to be considerable damage," said Fran�ois Attrazic, the
> leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant
> owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be
> because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries
> that
> have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25 to 30 percent in sales in
> some
> establishments."
> The issue was so divisive that Mr. de Villepin postponed a decision last
> spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep
> evaluation of the different solutions." Mr. Bertrand, who has long
> advocated
> a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last
> week,
> "My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as
> soon as possible."
> Once Mr. de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued
> as
> a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will
> prevent the Parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban,
> which would go into effect sometime before next September.
> Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further.
> Charles-Am�d�e de Courson, a center-right member, last year introduced a
> proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars,
> arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to
> smoke.
> Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
> proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
> Ariane Bernard contributed reporting.
>
Oct 6th 2006, 7:22 am
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Smoking No Longer Chic In France....
Stay home if you don't like it
"LordAvalon" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected] om...
Gregory Morrow a �crit :
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> October 6, 2006
> Paris Journal
> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> By ELAINE SCIOLINO
> "PARIS, Oct. 5 - Jean-Paul Sartre smoked. So did Colette, Cocteau, Camus
> and
> Coco Chanel.
> One of the most memorable scenes in French films is Jean-Paul Belmondo
> lifting his head, dragging on a cigarette and rubbing his thumb back and
> forth across his lips in "Breathless." (He smokes about two dozen times in
> the movie.)
> There is something about smoking that seems very French.
> But as in other European countries, smoking in public increasingly has
> fallen out of favor here. This week, after a five-month governmental
> inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in
> public areas.
> Under the measure, cafes, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could
> designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed
> areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely
> rigorous health norms."
> Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to
> proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do
> not
> make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of
> Parliament
> on Monday.
> But not everyone here agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and
> bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French
> value - the rights of the individual.
> "I see this as a personal attack," said Andr� Santini, a center-right
> member
> of Parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed
> for
> photographers this week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly
> building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They
> tell
> you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."
> At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars
> and
> cigarillos, only candy and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will
> eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National
> Assembly itself.
> "I'll end my life where I started it - in the men's room," said
> Jean-Pierre
> Balligand, a lawmaker from eastern France. "I started smoking like every
> other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where
> I
> 'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school
> principal, Mr. Debr�, screams at us for smoking."
> The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debr�, the president of the National
> Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside
> Parliament to "set the example."
> France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries.
> Nicotine,
> after all, is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th century ambassador to
> Portugal
> who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a
> cure for her migraines.
> But France was also in the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in
> Europe,
> passing the toughest legislation on the Continent in 1991. Smoking was
> banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated
> areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette
> advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes, and application
> of
> the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it
> difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.
> President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packs a day,
> declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003 and imposed steep tax increases on
> cigarettes. Today, nearly 80 percent of the French support the idea of a
> smoking ban in public places.
> Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20 percent of the
> population -
> are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than
> 70,000
> people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and
> secondhand smoke.
> Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people.
> French public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during
> breaks.
> Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in
> Paris,
> still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.
> But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We
> serve
> gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said
> Beno�t
> Rade, one of Prunier's ma�tres d'h�tel. "Smoke is a problem for most of
> our
> employees, some clients, too. A client can abstain from smoking for one
> hour
> or so. It will be much nicer."
> La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a
> haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last
> July in anticipation of a government decree.
> The new campaign to ban public smoking follows smoking bans of varying
> degrees - and varying degrees of opposition - throughout Europe.
> Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
> public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
> overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
> restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
> offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
> cigarettes.
> Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and
> a
> decline in profits. They certainly (since this is France) would demand
> compensation.
> "There is going to be considerable damage," said Fran�ois Attrazic, the
> leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant
> owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be
> because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries
> that
> have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25 to 30 percent in sales in
> some
> establishments."
> The issue was so divisive that Mr. de Villepin postponed a decision last
> spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep
> evaluation of the different solutions." Mr. Bertrand, who has long
> advocated
> a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last
> week,
> "My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as
> soon as possible."
> Once Mr. de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued
> as
> a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will
> prevent the Parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban,
> which would go into effect sometime before next September.
> Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further.
> Charles-Am�d�e de Courson, a center-right member, last year introduced a
> proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars,
> arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to
> smoke.
> Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
> proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
> Ariane Bernard contributed reporting.
A few months to wait yet!
I like cafes a lot but I cannot stand smoke.
In restaurant it spoils your eating experience and prevents you from
enjoying your wine...
The earliest the better!
"LordAvalon" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected] om...
Gregory Morrow a �crit :
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> October 6, 2006
> Paris Journal
> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> By ELAINE SCIOLINO
> "PARIS, Oct. 5 - Jean-Paul Sartre smoked. So did Colette, Cocteau, Camus
> and
> Coco Chanel.
> One of the most memorable scenes in French films is Jean-Paul Belmondo
> lifting his head, dragging on a cigarette and rubbing his thumb back and
> forth across his lips in "Breathless." (He smokes about two dozen times in
> the movie.)
> There is something about smoking that seems very French.
> But as in other European countries, smoking in public increasingly has
> fallen out of favor here. This week, after a five-month governmental
> inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in
> public areas.
> Under the measure, cafes, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could
> designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed
> areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely
> rigorous health norms."
> Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to
> proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do
> not
> make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of
> Parliament
> on Monday.
> But not everyone here agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and
> bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French
> value - the rights of the individual.
> "I see this as a personal attack," said Andr� Santini, a center-right
> member
> of Parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed
> for
> photographers this week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly
> building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They
> tell
> you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."
> At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars
> and
> cigarillos, only candy and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will
> eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National
> Assembly itself.
> "I'll end my life where I started it - in the men's room," said
> Jean-Pierre
> Balligand, a lawmaker from eastern France. "I started smoking like every
> other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where
> I
> 'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school
> principal, Mr. Debr�, screams at us for smoking."
> The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debr�, the president of the National
> Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside
> Parliament to "set the example."
> France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries.
> Nicotine,
> after all, is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th century ambassador to
> Portugal
> who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a
> cure for her migraines.
> But France was also in the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in
> Europe,
> passing the toughest legislation on the Continent in 1991. Smoking was
> banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated
> areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette
> advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes, and application
> of
> the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it
> difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.
> President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packs a day,
> declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003 and imposed steep tax increases on
> cigarettes. Today, nearly 80 percent of the French support the idea of a
> smoking ban in public places.
> Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20 percent of the
> population -
> are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than
> 70,000
> people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and
> secondhand smoke.
> Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people.
> French public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during
> breaks.
> Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in
> Paris,
> still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.
> But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We
> serve
> gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said
> Beno�t
> Rade, one of Prunier's ma�tres d'h�tel. "Smoke is a problem for most of
> our
> employees, some clients, too. A client can abstain from smoking for one
> hour
> or so. It will be much nicer."
> La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a
> haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last
> July in anticipation of a government decree.
> The new campaign to ban public smoking follows smoking bans of varying
> degrees - and varying degrees of opposition - throughout Europe.
> Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
> public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
> overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
> restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
> offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
> cigarettes.
> Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and
> a
> decline in profits. They certainly (since this is France) would demand
> compensation.
> "There is going to be considerable damage," said Fran�ois Attrazic, the
> leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant
> owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be
> because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries
> that
> have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25 to 30 percent in sales in
> some
> establishments."
> The issue was so divisive that Mr. de Villepin postponed a decision last
> spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep
> evaluation of the different solutions." Mr. Bertrand, who has long
> advocated
> a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last
> week,
> "My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as
> soon as possible."
> Once Mr. de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued
> as
> a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will
> prevent the Parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban,
> which would go into effect sometime before next September.
> Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further.
> Charles-Am�d�e de Courson, a center-right member, last year introduced a
> proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars,
> arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to
> smoke.
> Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
> proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
> Ariane Bernard contributed reporting.
A few months to wait yet!
I like cafes a lot but I cannot stand smoke.
In restaurant it spoils your eating experience and prevents you from
enjoying your wine...
The earliest the better!
Oct 6th 2006, 7:57 am
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Gregory Morrow
<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
>
> October 6, 2006
> Paris Journal
>
> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
Well, I hope so.
Tangentially, my trip this week to Barcelona was the first one that I
made since some kind of smoking legislation was introduced. First
impressions were mixed. I found it fairly easy to find restaurants with
separate sections, but all the small bar/restaurants seem to still be
smoking compulsory, which is a shame, as they're terrific value and
usually have great food. I ate in one near where I was teaching where I
had a seat near an outside door, so wasn't too bothered by the smoke.
Somehow, the choice of green for 'smoking permitted' seems odd to me...
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<gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
>
> October 6, 2006
> Paris Journal
>
> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
Well, I hope so.
Tangentially, my trip this week to Barcelona was the first one that I
made since some kind of smoking legislation was introduced. First
impressions were mixed. I found it fairly easy to find restaurants with
separate sections, but all the small bar/restaurants seem to still be
smoking compulsory, which is a shame, as they're terrific value and
usually have great food. I ate in one near where I was teaching where I
had a seat near an outside door, so wasn't too bothered by the smoke.
Somehow, the choice of green for 'smoking permitted' seems odd to me...
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
Oct 6th 2006, 8:27 am
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Re: Smoking No Longer Chic In France....
Dear dear !
"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de
news: 1hmt0my.o9eh721v5tqncN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.co.uk...
> Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
>> October 6, 2006
>> Paris Journal
>> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> Well, I hope so.
> Tangentially, my trip this week to Barcelona was the first one that I
> made since some kind of smoking legislation was introduced. First
> impressions were mixed. I found it fairly easy to find restaurants with
> separate sections, but all the small bar/restaurants seem to still be
> smoking compulsory, which is a shame, as they're terrific value and
> usually have great food. I ate in one near where I was teaching where I
> had a seat near an outside door, so wasn't too bothered by the smoke.
> Somehow, the choice of green for 'smoking permitted' seems odd to me...
> --
> David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de
news: 1hmt0my.o9eh721v5tqncN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.co.uk...
> Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
>> October 6, 2006
>> Paris Journal
>> Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> Well, I hope so.
> Tangentially, my trip this week to Barcelona was the first one that I
> made since some kind of smoking legislation was introduced. First
> impressions were mixed. I found it fairly easy to find restaurants with
> separate sections, but all the small bar/restaurants seem to still be
> smoking compulsory, which is a shame, as they're terrific value and
> usually have great food. I ate in one near where I was teaching where I
> had a seat near an outside door, so wasn't too bothered by the smoke.
> Somehow, the choice of green for 'smoking permitted' seems odd to me...
> --
> David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
Oct 6th 2006, 4:50 pm
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Re: Smoking No Longer Chic In France....
David Horne:
> Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> >
> > October 6, 2006
> > Paris Journal
> >
> > Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> Well, I hope so.
> Tangentially, my trip this week to Barcelona was the first one that I
> made since some kind of smoking legislation was introduced. First
> impressions were mixed. I found it fairly easy to find restaurants with
> separate sections, but all the small bar/restaurants seem to still be
> smoking compulsory, which is a shame, as they're terrific value and
> usually have great food. I ate in one near where I was teaching where I
> had a seat near an outside door, so wasn't too bothered by the smoke.
> Somehow, the choice of green for 'smoking permitted' seems odd to me...
Should be a dark - ish mottled red/black to signify lung cancer...
Even the Czechs are exploring the realm of banning tobacco in public
places, so you know the movement is serious!
Even an old - time smoker's haven such as Chicago will soon be banning
smoking in bars, they've a year or so to "adjust" to totally non -
smoking. It's already no - smoking in restos...
But these health fads can go too far, e.g. the Chicago City Council has
banned foie gras...!!!
--
Best
Greg in Chicawgo
> Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> >
> > October 6, 2006
> > Paris Journal
> >
> > Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> Well, I hope so.
> Tangentially, my trip this week to Barcelona was the first one that I
> made since some kind of smoking legislation was introduced. First
> impressions were mixed. I found it fairly easy to find restaurants with
> separate sections, but all the small bar/restaurants seem to still be
> smoking compulsory, which is a shame, as they're terrific value and
> usually have great food. I ate in one near where I was teaching where I
> had a seat near an outside door, so wasn't too bothered by the smoke.
> Somehow, the choice of green for 'smoking permitted' seems odd to me...
Should be a dark - ish mottled red/black to signify lung cancer...
Even the Czechs are exploring the realm of banning tobacco in public
places, so you know the movement is serious!
Even an old - time smoker's haven such as Chicago will soon be banning
smoking in bars, they've a year or so to "adjust" to totally non -
smoking. It's already no - smoking in restos...
But these health fads can go too far, e.g. the Chicago City Council has
banned foie gras...!!!
--
Best
Greg in Chicawgo
Oct 6th 2006, 6:18 pm
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Re: Smoking No Longer Chic In France....
B Vaughan wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:41:15 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
> >public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
> >overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
> >restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
> >offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
> >cigarettes.
> I disagree completely about the "fierce public resistance". There were
> some noisy protests, but they subsided quickly when the smokers
> realized that the vast majority of the public approved the ban. In
> fact, even in places where smoking is not banned, public censure has
> prevented people from lighting up. I was at a huge wedding where lunch
> was in a partially open pavilion, and there were ashtrays on the
> tables. In spite of that, I didn't see any of the more than 300 guests
> light up inside the pavilion.
> >Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
> >proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
> Now there's a great idea.
'Butt cops', you would need so many, there would be no unemployed in
Belgium.....
> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:41:15 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> >Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
> >public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
> >overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
> >restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
> >offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
> >cigarettes.
> I disagree completely about the "fierce public resistance". There were
> some noisy protests, but they subsided quickly when the smokers
> realized that the vast majority of the public approved the ban. In
> fact, even in places where smoking is not banned, public censure has
> prevented people from lighting up. I was at a huge wedding where lunch
> was in a partially open pavilion, and there were ashtrays on the
> tables. In spite of that, I didn't see any of the more than 300 guests
> light up inside the pavilion.
> >Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
> >proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
> Now there's a great idea.
'Butt cops', you would need so many, there would be no unemployed in
Belgium.....
Oct 7th 2006, 3:54 am
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Re: Smoking No Longer Chic In France....
no one cares about your dumphole
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de
news: [email protected] om...
David Horne:
> Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> >
> > October 6, 2006
> > Paris Journal
> >
> > Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> Well, I hope so.
> Tangentially, my trip this week to Barcelona was the first one that I
> made since some kind of smoking legislation was introduced. First
> impressions were mixed. I found it fairly easy to find restaurants with
> separate sections, but all the small bar/restaurants seem to still be
> smoking compulsory, which is a shame, as they're terrific value and
> usually have great food. I ate in one near where I was teaching where I
> had a seat near an outside door, so wasn't too bothered by the smoke.
> Somehow, the choice of green for 'smoking permitted' seems odd to me...
Should be a dark - ish mottled red/black to signify lung cancer...
Even the Czechs are exploring the realm of banning tobacco in public
places, so you know the movement is serious!
Even an old - time smoker's haven such as Chicago will soon be banning
smoking in bars, they've a year or so to "adjust" to totally non -
smoking. It's already no - smoking in restos...
But these health fads can go too far, e.g. the Chicago City Council has
banned foie gras...!!!
--
Best
Greg in Chicawgo
"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de
news: [email protected] om...
David Horne:
> Gregory Morrow
> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/06/wo.../06france.html
> >
> > October 6, 2006
> > Paris Journal
> >
> > Smoking No Longer Tr�s Chic in France
> Well, I hope so.
> Tangentially, my trip this week to Barcelona was the first one that I
> made since some kind of smoking legislation was introduced. First
> impressions were mixed. I found it fairly easy to find restaurants with
> separate sections, but all the small bar/restaurants seem to still be
> smoking compulsory, which is a shame, as they're terrific value and
> usually have great food. I ate in one near where I was teaching where I
> had a seat near an outside door, so wasn't too bothered by the smoke.
> Somehow, the choice of green for 'smoking permitted' seems odd to me...
Should be a dark - ish mottled red/black to signify lung cancer...
Even the Czechs are exploring the realm of banning tobacco in public
places, so you know the movement is serious!
Even an old - time smoker's haven such as Chicago will soon be banning
smoking in bars, they've a year or so to "adjust" to totally non -
smoking. It's already no - smoking in restos...
But these health fads can go too far, e.g. the Chicago City Council has
banned foie gras...!!!
--
Best
Greg in Chicawgo
Oct 7th 2006, 4:13 am
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Re: Smoking No Longer Chic In France....
On 6 Oct 2006 23:18:40 -0700, "but I'm the only gay in the village of
Llanddewi Brefi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>B Vaughan wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:41:15 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>> >Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
>> >public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
>> >overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
>> >restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
>> >offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
>> >cigarettes.
>> I disagree completely about the "fierce public resistance". There were
>> some noisy protests, but they subsided quickly when the smokers
>> realized that the vast majority of the public approved the ban. In
>> fact, even in places where smoking is not banned, public censure has
>> prevented people from lighting up. I was at a huge wedding where lunch
>> was in a partially open pavilion, and there were ashtrays on the
>> tables. In spite of that, I didn't see any of the more than 300 guests
>> light up inside the pavilion.
>> >Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
>> >proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
>> Now there's a great idea.
>'Butt cops', you would need so many, there would be no unemployed in
>Belgium.....
All you need is a half dozen to hand out 10,000 euro fines, and let
the media do the rest.
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Llanddewi Brefi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>B Vaughan wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:41:15 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> <gregorymorrowBEYONDTHEVALLEYOFTHELOAFHEADS@earthl ink.net> wrote:
>> >Italy's ban on smoking in public places last January was met with fierce
>> >public resistance, including a campaign for a national referendum to
>> >overturn it and the publication by newspapers of lists of smoker-friendly
>> >restaurants. One movie theater showed a Mexican film called "Nicotina" and
>> >offered free admission for customers who showed up with a pack of
>> >cigarettes.
>> I disagree completely about the "fierce public resistance". There were
>> some noisy protests, but they subsided quickly when the smokers
>> realized that the vast majority of the public approved the ban. In
>> fact, even in places where smoking is not banned, public censure has
>> prevented people from lighting up. I was at a huge wedding where lunch
>> was in a partially open pavilion, and there were ashtrays on the
>> tables. In spite of that, I didn't see any of the more than 300 guests
>> light up inside the pavilion.
>> >Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a
>> >proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street."
>> Now there's a great idea.
>'Butt cops', you would need so many, there would be no unemployed in
>Belgium.....
All you need is a half dozen to hand out 10,000 euro fines, and let
the media do the rest.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
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