Red

hello
back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
$5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
culture thx red


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Sjoerd

"red" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
    > hello
    > back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
    > $5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
    > september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
    > to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
    > to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
    > and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
    > as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
    > culture thx red

Appreciating and experiencing the culture starts with getting the details
right:
Oslo
Copenhagen
Sweden
St. Petersburg
Tallinn
Cologne

Sjoerd

Deep Foiled Malls

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:24:52 +0100, "Sjoerd"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"red" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> hello
    >> back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
    >> $5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
    >> september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
    >> to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
    >> to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
    >> and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
    >> as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
    >> culture thx red
    >Appreciating and experiencing the culture starts with getting the details
    >right:
    >Oslo
    >Copenhagen
    >Sweden
    >St. Petersburg
    >Tallinn
    >Cologne

It's impressive that they didn't even get one of the place names
right!
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Tim Challenger

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:19:13 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls wrote:

    > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:24:52 +0100, "Sjoerd"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>"red" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> hello
    >>> back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
    >>> $5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
    >>> september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
    >>> to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
    >>> to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
    >>> and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
    >>> as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
    >>> culture thx red
    >>Appreciating and experiencing the culture starts with getting the details
    >>right:
    >>Oslo
    >>Copenhagen
    >>Sweden
    >>St. Petersburg
    >>Tallinn
    >>Cologne
    >
    > It's impressive that they didn't even get one of the place names
    > right!
Be fair, red got "amsterdam" nearly right.
Where's Magda when we need her? ;-)
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Magda

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:01:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:19:13 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
...
... > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:24:52 +0100, "Sjoerd"
... > <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >>
... >>"red" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
... >>news:[email protected]...
... >>>
... >>> hello
... >>> back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
... >>> $5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
... >>> september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
... >>> to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
... >>> to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
... >>> and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
... >>> as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
... >>> culture thx red
... >>
... >>Appreciating and experiencing the culture starts with getting the details
... >>right:
... >>Oslo
... >>Copenhagen
... >>Sweden
... >>St. Petersburg
... >>Tallinn
... >>Cologne
... >
... > It's impressive that they didn't even get one of the place names
... > right!
... Be fair, red got "amsterdam" nearly right.
... Where's Magda when we need her? ;-)

I think the OP is dyslexic.

Tim Challenger

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:13:59 +0100, Magda wrote:

    > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:01:52 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:19:13 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
    > ...
    > ... > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:24:52 +0100, "Sjoerd"
    > ... > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > ... >
    > ... >>
    > ... >>"red" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    > ... >>news:[email protected]...
    > ... >>>
    > ... >>> hello
    > ... >>> back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
    > ... >>> $5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
    > ... >>> september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
    > ... >>> to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
    > ... >>> to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
    > ... >>> and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
    > ... >>> as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
    > ... >>> culture thx red
    > ... >>
    > ... >>Appreciating and experiencing the culture starts with getting the details
    > ... >>right:
    > ... >>Oslo
    > ... >>Copenhagen
    > ... >>Sweden
    > ... >>St. Petersburg
    > ... >>Tallinn
    > ... >>Cologne
    > ... >
    > ... > It's impressive that they didn't even get one of the place names
    > ... > right!
    > ... Be fair, red got "amsterdam" nearly right.
    > ... Where's Magda when we need her? ;-)
    >
    > I think the OP is dyslexic.

Or learnt to read and write on one of those "phonetic" school systems like
they had in the UK in the mid 70s.
--
Tim C.

Louis XIV

"Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "red" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> hello
    >> back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
    >> $5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
    >> september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
    >> to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
    >> to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
    >> and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
    >> as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
    >> culture thx red
    > Appreciating and experiencing the culture starts with getting the details
    > right:
    > Oslo
    > Copenhagen
    > Sweden
    > St. Petersburg
    > Tallinn
    > Cologne
    > Sjoerd

So appreciating the culture means learning the english words for towns and
countries then?

Tim Challenger

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:06:04 GMT, louis xiv wrote:

    > "Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> "red" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> hello
    >>> back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
    >>> $5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
    >>> september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
    >>> to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
    >>> to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
    >>> and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
    >>> as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
    >>> culture thx red
    >> Appreciating and experiencing the culture starts with getting the details
    >> right:
    >> Oslo
    >> Copenhagen
    >> Sweden
    >> St. Petersburg
    >> Tallinn
    >> Cologne
    >> Sjoerd
    >
    > So appreciating the culture means learning the english words for towns and
    > countries then?

The odd smelling pisstake aside, it would give the impression that the
poster was halfway serious. Assuming of course, as Magda mentioned he might
be, the OP isn't dyslexic, or English not his first language (coming from
Montreal it might not be) in which case all is forgiven.

--
Tim C.

Magda

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:42:23 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Or learnt to read and write on one of those "phonetic" school systems like
... they had in the UK in the mid 70s.

Or trying to type as fast as he thinks. Too many fingers spoil the broth. ;)

Tim Challenger

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:11:59 +0100, Magda wrote:

    > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:42:23 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ...
    > ... Or learnt to read and write on one of those "phonetic" school systems like
    > ... they had in the UK in the mid 70s.
    >
    > Or trying to type as fast as he thinks. Too many fingers spoil the broth. ;)

If I did that I'd be here all week.
Oh, I am.... :-(
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Deep Foiled Malls

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:01:52 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:19:13 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls wrote:
    >> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:24:52 +0100, "Sjoerd"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>"red" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>> hello
    >>>> back packing again 30 years later im sure its changed since europe on
    >>>> $5 a day. to be brief would like some advice on the first leg in
    >>>> september 2005 planning on starting in amsterdam 3/4 days then flying
    >>>> to olso start to use eurorail pass to ...bergen .coppenhaggen ...then
    >>>> to sweeden ...boat to helsinki ..3/4 days to include st petes overnite
    >>>> and tallon as well...then fly to colonge .i will be using books as well
    >>>> as internet would like some advice on rooms sites and expierencing
    >>>> culture thx red
    >>>Appreciating and experiencing the culture starts with getting the details
    >>>right:
    >>>Oslo
    >>>Copenhagen
    >>>Sweden
    >>>St. Petersburg
    >>>Tallinn
    >>>Cologne
    >>
    >> It's impressive that they didn't even get one of the place names
    >> right!
    >Be fair, red got "amsterdam" nearly right.
    >Where's Magda when we need her? ;-)

She fainted.
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Magda

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:25:14 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :


... >Where's Magda when we need her? ;-)
...
... She fainted.

I'm too busy for that.

Keith

"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1106645904.0d5716df2e866b6e90ae21142e6b3b0f@t eranews...
    > Or learnt to read and write on one of those "phonetic" school systems like
    > they had in the UK in the mid 70s.
    > --
    > Tim C.

Or perhaps in the Outcomes Based Education programs which were tested in the
US in the 70's-80's as well implemented into many school districts in the US
in the 1990's. Who knows? Some states might still be using them.

The goals that OBE define are normally those that have no real objective
test to see if the student has actually achieved anything at all. And the
goals are often based on morals, ideals, and attitudes that aren't defined
by the parents, the local community, etc.

Keith

Tim Challenger

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:34:59 -0500, Keith wrote:

    > "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1106645904.0d5716df2e866b6e90ae21142e6b3b0f@t eranews...
    >> Or learnt to read and write on one of those "phonetic" school systems like
    >> they had in the UK in the mid 70s.
    >> --
    >> Tim C.
    >
    > Or perhaps in the Outcomes Based Education programs which were tested in the
    > US in the 70's-80's as well implemented into many school districts in the US
    > in the 1990's. Who knows? Some states might still be using them.
    >
    > The goals that OBE define are normally those that have no real objective
    > test to see if the student has actually achieved anything at all. And the
    > goals are often based on morals, ideals, and attitudes that aren't defined
    > by the parents, the local community, etc.
    >
    > Keith

Sounds like another non-starter.
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Erilar

In article <1106726320.6811d9762cd4c5198e4fec0ef6da570b@teran ews>, Tim
Challenger <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:34:59 -0500, Keith wrote:
    >
    > > "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:1106645904.0d5716df2e866b6e90ae21142e6b3b0f@t eranews...
    > >> Or learnt to read and write on one of those "phonetic" school systems
    > >> like
    > >> they had in the UK in the mid 70s.
    > >> --
    > >> Tim C.
    > >
    > > Or perhaps in the Outcomes Based Education programs which were tested
    > > in the
    > > US in the 70's-80's as well implemented into many school districts in
    > > the US
    > > in the 1990's. Who knows? Some states might still be using them.
    > >
    > > The goals that OBE define are normally those that have no real
    > > objective
    > > test to see if the student has actually achieved anything at all. And
    > > the
    > > goals are often based on morals, ideals, and attitudes that aren't
    > > defined
    > > by the parents, the local community, etc.
    > >
    > > Keith
    >
    > Sounds like another non-starter.


Unfortunately, it cycles around and comes back with another name every
so often. I had to write them back in the early '90s, and when cleaning
out some old files, found a set with a slightly different name I had
been forced to come up with in the late '60s. I thought they seemed
familiar. They may have been called "behaviorial objectives" the first
time. Even so, they were marginally useful, unlike what was being
inplemented in Minnesota in the late '90s, which I retired in time to
escape the failure of.

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is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov

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