Restaurants in Rome
Oct 11th 2006, 12:03 am
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Re: Restaurants in Rome
B Vaughan wrote:
> In Rome, I like Il Ristorantino, Via Servio Tullio 8/10. Inexpensive
> and dependably good. They specialize in seafood, and I recommend you
> try that instead of the few meat dishes. They have excellent pasta
> with seafood and pasta with mussels. Their second courses are also
> very good. It's about a 20-minute walk from Trevi Fountain. You would
> basically walk along Via del Quirinale - Via 20 Settembre or along
> Via del Tritone - Via san Basilio - Via Sallustiana in a northeasterly
> direction most of the way. Turn left on Via Servio Tullio if you're
> on Via 20 Settembre, turn right if you're on Via Sallustiana.
> This restaurant is in a more or less residential area, but not far
> from the American Embassy. It is not a tourist restaurant.
There's also the Hostaria L'Orso 80, which which is located near the
Piazza Navona ... IIRC, a couple of blocks north. Its well known for
its antipasto (make sure to "UNDERorder" to save room for a main
course), and their house wines are quite nice.
-hh
> In Rome, I like Il Ristorantino, Via Servio Tullio 8/10. Inexpensive
> and dependably good. They specialize in seafood, and I recommend you
> try that instead of the few meat dishes. They have excellent pasta
> with seafood and pasta with mussels. Their second courses are also
> very good. It's about a 20-minute walk from Trevi Fountain. You would
> basically walk along Via del Quirinale - Via 20 Settembre or along
> Via del Tritone - Via san Basilio - Via Sallustiana in a northeasterly
> direction most of the way. Turn left on Via Servio Tullio if you're
> on Via 20 Settembre, turn right if you're on Via Sallustiana.
> This restaurant is in a more or less residential area, but not far
> from the American Embassy. It is not a tourist restaurant.
There's also the Hostaria L'Orso 80, which which is located near the
Piazza Navona ... IIRC, a couple of blocks north. Its well known for
its antipasto (make sure to "UNDERorder" to save room for a main
course), and their house wines are quite nice.
-hh
Oct 11th 2006, 12:16 am
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:12:28 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:54:20 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>Firstly, you wont find a bad expresso in Italy.
>Yes, you can. I'll tell you where, if you want to try it.
Indeed you can, but you really have to look for it. In all of my
numerous stays in Italy, I think I had bad expresso exactly three
times :-)
Nathalie in Switzerland
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:54:20 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>Firstly, you wont find a bad expresso in Italy.
>Yes, you can. I'll tell you where, if you want to try it.
Indeed you can, but you really have to look for it. In all of my
numerous stays in Italy, I think I had bad expresso exactly three
times :-)
Nathalie in Switzerland
Oct 11th 2006, 2:13 am
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Re: Restaurants in Rome
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:31:26 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:12:28 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:54:20 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>Firstly, you wont find a bad expresso in Italy.
>>Yes, you can. I'll tell you where, if you want to try it.
>Really? Please tell!
The Circolo ACLI in Corinaldo, for one. I consider it almost
undrinkable. Most people go there for other beverages, and those who
drink coffee tend to drink it "corretto" so maybe they don't notice
the taste.
Maybe I'm fussier than you, but I find most bars have a middling
quality at best, and many have inferior. In my town, none has espresso
as good as the best I've had. The very best I've had was in a bar in
Rome, I think on Via delle Quattro Fontane, which used Illy coffee,
the very best, and made it superbly.
There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:12:28 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:54:20 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>Firstly, you wont find a bad expresso in Italy.
>>Yes, you can. I'll tell you where, if you want to try it.
>Really? Please tell!
The Circolo ACLI in Corinaldo, for one. I consider it almost
undrinkable. Most people go there for other beverages, and those who
drink coffee tend to drink it "corretto" so maybe they don't notice
the taste.
Maybe I'm fussier than you, but I find most bars have a middling
quality at best, and many have inferior. In my town, none has espresso
as good as the best I've had. The very best I've had was in a bar in
Rome, I think on Via delle Quattro Fontane, which used Illy coffee,
the very best, and made it superbly.
There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Oct 11th 2006, 2:54 am
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Re: Restaurants in Rome
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:13:18 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
>bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
>Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
>wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
>leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
>you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
I've obviously drank a lot of much, much worse coffee than you have!
The worst was probably in Poland. I made the mistake 3 times of
ordering cappuccino, and it was vile powdery stuff every time.
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>There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
>bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
>Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
>wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
>leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
>you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
I've obviously drank a lot of much, much worse coffee than you have!
The worst was probably in Poland. I made the mistake 3 times of
ordering cappuccino, and it was vile powdery stuff every time.
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Oct 11th 2006, 4:39 am
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:54:58 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:13:18 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
>>bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
>>Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
>>wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
>>leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
>>you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
>I've obviously drank a lot of much, much worse coffee than you have!
>The worst was probably in Poland. I made the mistake 3 times of
>ordering cappuccino, and it was vile powdery stuff every time.
English cappuccino is the pits.
--
Martin
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:13:18 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
>>bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
>>Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
>>wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
>>leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
>>you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
>I've obviously drank a lot of much, much worse coffee than you have!
>The worst was probably in Poland. I made the mistake 3 times of
>ordering cappuccino, and it was vile powdery stuff every time.
English cappuccino is the pits.
--
Martin
Oct 11th 2006, 4:46 am
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Dave Frightens Me <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:13:18 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
> >bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
> >Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
> >wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
> >leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
> >you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
>
> I've obviously drank a lot of much, much worse coffee than you have!
> The worst was probably in Poland. I made the mistake 3 times of
> ordering cappuccino, and it was vile powdery stuff every time.
No big surprise maybe (as train coffee is usually nasty) but I had a
terrible one on an italian train a few weeks ago! :)
The worst, absolutely worst, I've had ever was probably in the hotel we
stayed at in Ljubjlana in August. I wanted to warn other guests not to
even try it. Excellent coffee at the bus station though!
Locally, greasy spoon type cafes try their best to serve the worst.
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> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:13:18 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
> >bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
> >Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
> >wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
> >leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
> >you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
>
> I've obviously drank a lot of much, much worse coffee than you have!
> The worst was probably in Poland. I made the mistake 3 times of
> ordering cappuccino, and it was vile powdery stuff every time.
No big surprise maybe (as train coffee is usually nasty) but I had a
terrible one on an italian train a few weeks ago! :)
The worst, absolutely worst, I've had ever was probably in the hotel we
stayed at in Ljubjlana in August. I wanted to warn other guests not to
even try it. Excellent coffee at the bus station though!
Locally, greasy spoon type cafes try their best to serve the worst.
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
Oct 11th 2006, 4:57 am
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Re: Restaurants in Rome
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:54:58 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:13:18 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
>>bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
>>Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
>>wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
>>leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
>>you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
>I've obviously drank a lot of much, much worse coffee than you have!
>The worst was probably in Poland. I made the mistake 3 times of
>ordering cappuccino, and it was vile powdery stuff every time.
I once ordered capuccino in a restaurant in the US. I saw the waitress
put a powder in a cup, add hot water and stir. Then, to add insult to
injury, she put some canned whip on top.
However, this is something you'd never see any more, at least on the
east coast. Even in Bloomington, Indiana (where one of my daughters
lives), you can get an approximation of capuccino, although it's not
usually strong enough for my taste.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:13:18 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
>>bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
>>Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
>>wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
>>leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
>>you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
>I've obviously drank a lot of much, much worse coffee than you have!
>The worst was probably in Poland. I made the mistake 3 times of
>ordering cappuccino, and it was vile powdery stuff every time.
I once ordered capuccino in a restaurant in the US. I saw the waitress
put a powder in a cup, add hot water and stir. Then, to add insult to
injury, she put some canned whip on top.
However, this is something you'd never see any more, at least on the
east coast. Even in Bloomington, Indiana (where one of my daughters
lives), you can get an approximation of capuccino, although it's not
usually strong enough for my taste.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Oct 11th 2006, 6:03 am
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"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:31:26 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:12:28 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:54:20 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>>Firstly, you wont find a bad expresso in Italy.
>>>Yes, you can. I'll tell you where, if you want to try it.
>>Really? Please tell!
> The Circolo ACLI in Corinaldo, for one. I consider it almost
> undrinkable. Most people go there for other beverages, and those who
> drink coffee tend to drink it "corretto" so maybe they don't notice
> the taste.
> Maybe I'm fussier than you, but I find most bars have a middling
> quality at best, and many have inferior. In my town, none has espresso
> as good as the best I've had. The very best I've had was in a bar in
> Rome, I think on Via delle Quattro Fontane, which used Illy coffee,
> the very best, and made it superbly.
All very true, but with few exceptions, all coffee (espresso) I've had in
Italy is immeasurably better than the espresso served in the U.S. ... The
very best espresso I had in Italy was at a small, turn-of-the-century bar in
Milan located not too far from the Castello Sforzesco. The bar's name
escapes me just now, but it's a popular, elegant locale. Second best was
served by the very upscale Pasticceria Cova, also in Milan.
Belguim, IMHO, has the best coffee -- after Italy -- in Europe. France was,
perhaps, a poor third.
--
Ian Burton
(Please reply to the Newsgroup)
> There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
> bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
> Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
> wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
> leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
> you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
> --
> Barbara Vaughan
> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot
> it
> I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:31:26 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:12:28 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:54:20 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
>>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>>Firstly, you wont find a bad expresso in Italy.
>>>Yes, you can. I'll tell you where, if you want to try it.
>>Really? Please tell!
> The Circolo ACLI in Corinaldo, for one. I consider it almost
> undrinkable. Most people go there for other beverages, and those who
> drink coffee tend to drink it "corretto" so maybe they don't notice
> the taste.
> Maybe I'm fussier than you, but I find most bars have a middling
> quality at best, and many have inferior. In my town, none has espresso
> as good as the best I've had. The very best I've had was in a bar in
> Rome, I think on Via delle Quattro Fontane, which used Illy coffee,
> the very best, and made it superbly.
All very true, but with few exceptions, all coffee (espresso) I've had in
Italy is immeasurably better than the espresso served in the U.S. ... The
very best espresso I had in Italy was at a small, turn-of-the-century bar in
Milan located not too far from the Castello Sforzesco. The bar's name
escapes me just now, but it's a popular, elegant locale. Second best was
served by the very upscale Pasticceria Cova, also in Milan.
Belguim, IMHO, has the best coffee -- after Italy -- in Europe. France was,
perhaps, a poor third.
--
Ian Burton
(Please reply to the Newsgroup)
> There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
> bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
> Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
> wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
> leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
> you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
> --
> Barbara Vaughan
> My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot
> it
> I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Oct 11th 2006, 8:42 am
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Re: Restaurants in Rome
"edspresso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<< Any recommendations for good espresso would also be appreciated.>>
Make it with the Coop's 100% Arabica Coffee. It beats Illy hands down
news:xCRWg.5237$Ed5.3876@trnddc03...
<< Any recommendations for good espresso would also be appreciated.>>
Make it with the Coop's 100% Arabica Coffee. It beats Illy hands down
Oct 11th 2006, 9:23 am
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Any recommendations for good toilet paper would also be appreciated
Duh
"Venthi" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> "edspresso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:xCRWg.5237$Ed5.3876@trnddc03...
> << Any recommendations for good espresso would also be appreciated.>>
> Make it with the Coop's 100% Arabica Coffee. It beats Illy hands down
>
Duh
"Venthi" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> "edspresso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:xCRWg.5237$Ed5.3876@trnddc03...
> << Any recommendations for good espresso would also be appreciated.>>
> Make it with the Coop's 100% Arabica Coffee. It beats Illy hands down
>
Oct 11th 2006, 10:45 am
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:03:02 -0700, "Ian Burton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Belguim, IMHO, has the best coffee -- after Italy -- in Europe. France was,
>perhaps, a poor third.
I must admit to being very disappointed with the coffe in Corsica. 3
euro for something piss weak and flavourless.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Belguim, IMHO, has the best coffee -- after Italy -- in Europe. France was,
>perhaps, a poor third.
I must admit to being very disappointed with the coffe in Corsica. 3
euro for something piss weak and flavourless.
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Oct 11th 2006, 10:46 am
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:42:12 +0100, "Venthi"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"edspresso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:xCRWg.5237$Ed5.3876@trnddc03...
><< Any recommendations for good espresso would also be appreciated.>>
>Make it with the Coop's 100% Arabica Coffee. It beats Illy hands down
I just made a note of that. Thanks!
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>"edspresso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:xCRWg.5237$Ed5.3876@trnddc03...
><< Any recommendations for good espresso would also be appreciated.>>
>Make it with the Coop's 100% Arabica Coffee. It beats Illy hands down
I just made a note of that. Thanks!
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Oct 11th 2006, 1:16 pm
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B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote in news:ijtpi2l62vv2m2nnda4a7rs8t6ctfi52bu@
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> There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
> bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
> Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
> wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
> leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
> you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
Water quality is paramount, and most of Rome has a fine tap water (though I
expect water in Corinaldo should be on the same level!).
re: sterilising solution, if you can smell or taste it, change bar!
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> There's really a big difference in the quality of the coffee used in
> bars in Italy. Then there is the quality of the machine that makes it.
> Then there is the skill of the bar tender. And finally, the way they
> wash their cups. (Some bars use a bitter sterilizing solution that
> leaves a bad taste on the cup.) Put all those variables together and
> you get a wide range. The bottom of the range is pretty bad.
Water quality is paramount, and most of Rome has a fine tap water (though I
expect water in Corinaldo should be on the same level!).
re: sterilising solution, if you can smell or taste it, change bar!
--
QQG
"Sono un uomo tutto d'un pezzo. Tipo Marshmallow"
Oct 11th 2006, 1:17 pm
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Dave Frightens Me <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>>Make it with the Coop's 100% Arabica Coffee. It beats Illy hands down
>
> I just made a note of that. Thanks!
I also use that at home, Illy is a little bit over-toasted in my taste.
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news:[email protected]:
>>Make it with the Coop's 100% Arabica Coffee. It beats Illy hands down
>
> I just made a note of that. Thanks!
I also use that at home, Illy is a little bit over-toasted in my taste.
--
QQG
"Sono un uomo tutto d'un pezzo. Tipo Marshmallow"
Oct 11th 2006, 1:31 pm
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:03:02 -0700, "Ian Burton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
(snip)
>All very true, but with few exceptions, all coffee (espresso) I've had in
>Italy is immeasurably better than the espresso served in the U.S.
(snip)
I'm not a huge fan of espresso, and I'm not educated on the subject --
but why do you think that this is? Is the coffee different? Can the
Italians buy better machines than Americans?
>Belguim, IMHO, has the best coffee -- after Italy -- in Europe. France was,
>perhaps, a poor third.
I also wonder why one whole country would be better than another. As
I understand it, there aren't that many different kinds of coffee or
ways to brew it, and in any case any given type is pretty much
available anywhere in the world.
??
Zane
<[email protected]> wrote:
(snip)
>All very true, but with few exceptions, all coffee (espresso) I've had in
>Italy is immeasurably better than the espresso served in the U.S.
(snip)
I'm not a huge fan of espresso, and I'm not educated on the subject --
but why do you think that this is? Is the coffee different? Can the
Italians buy better machines than Americans?
>Belguim, IMHO, has the best coffee -- after Italy -- in Europe. France was,
>perhaps, a poor third.
I also wonder why one whole country would be better than another. As
I understand it, there aren't that many different kinds of coffee or
ways to brew it, and in any case any given type is pretty much
available anywhere in the world.
??
Zane
