Auntie Em

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:33:43 +0200, Barbara Bomberger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:47:31 -0500, Auntie Em <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>>My husband gets six weeks of vacation, I get four.
    >>>Not ignorant, not brainwashed. Next?
    >>Oh really?
    >>So HOW MANY YEARS have you (and your husband), been getting up every
    >>single morning and gone to the same, boring, useless job in order to
    >>obtain these wonderful vacations?
    >>Not brainwashed? Are you so sure about that?
    >Well, Im not the OP, but about five years (and I get four, not six
    >weeks, and all holidays ooff)
    >And fortunatlely, my job isnt boring. Is yours??

Unless you work for yourself or are an EMT or work in an emergency
room, I have never seen a job that wasn't repititious and boring.
Even police officers will tell you that 90 percent of their arrests
are very nearly identical with only rarely something out of the
ordinary happening.

As for "normal" every day types of jobs - yes they are exceedingly,
horrifically boring.

Me? when a job gets boring to me I seek another.

Em
Be careful what you wish for....

Deep Frayed Morgues

On 31 Oct 2004 01:24:18 -0700, [email protected] (Tazzy_gal)
wrote:

    >[email protected] (Georgette Mossbacker) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    >> Jacques Chirac <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>.. .
    >> > Jonathan wrote:
    >> >
    >> > >When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    >> > >of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    >> > >we get paid public holidays.
    >> > >
    >> > >In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    >> > >countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    >> > >they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    >> > >productive countries in the world.
    >> > >
    > YAAAAAAAAAAAAWWNNNNNNN. I get five weeks paid, plus five holidays
    >paid, plus.....oh I forget. Too bad I took some of those valuable
    >weeks to visit the UK, now I know what they think of us. What a waste
    >of time....not really. I'm just attempting to be snotty. I'd go back
    >in a second, AFTER I returned (for the fifth time) to Paris. Lovely
    >people!
    > Next.....

Someone's just learning how to "throw the bull"!!! Clap everyone!
---
DFM

Larisa

[email protected] (Tazzy_gal) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > [email protected] (Georgette Mossbacker) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > > Jacques Chirac <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>.. .
    > > > Jonathan wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >When an American friend told me people in the US only have two weeks
    > > > >of paid leave PER YEAR I could scarcely believe it. He said yeah but
    > > > >we get paid public holidays.
    > > > >
    > > > >In the UK we get 4 to 5 weeks paid leave plus public holidays . Other
    > > > >countries like France get 5 to 6 weeks plus public holidays. Plus
    > > > >they only work 35 hours per week yet they are one of the most
    > > > >productive countries in the world.
    > > > >
    > YAAAAAAAAAAAAWWNNNNNNN. I get five weeks paid, plus five holidays
    > paid, plus.....oh I forget. Too bad I took some of those valuable
    > weeks to visit the UK, now I know what they think of us. What a waste
    > of time....not really. I'm just attempting to be snotty. I'd go back
    > in a second, AFTER I returned (for the fifth time) to Paris. Lovely
    > people!

I get 3 months of semi-vacation per year. I run a tutoring business.
No one wants to get tutored over the summer, so I only work about 10
hours a week for 3 months. Next year, I might just forgo work
altogether and spend my summer in Costa Rica.

And I'm not the only self-employed person out there.

LM

EvelynVogtGamble

Miguel Cruz wrote:

    > nospam <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>And almost no company starts new employees with more than two
    >>weeks. If you try to negotiate more, you are classified as lazy or
    >>a bad employee and they will not hire you.
    >
    >
    > Have you tried? I always negotiate for more before I accept a job. A few
    > years ago I managed 8(!). Sadly the dotcom-boom HR pushover days are behind
    > us.

I suspect, Michael, that you are in a different category of
employee than "no spam" - a category where one "negotiates"
a contract, rather than lining up to be hired for a "job".
I've been with my present employer for close to thirty
years, but back when I was "job-hopping", it was rare to get
more than ONE week's vacation, one's first year on a job
(and even then, only after a full year of service). After
two years you were given two weeks, after five (if you were
lucky) you got three weeks (but not all at one time), and
just maybe, after ten years or more, if the firm considered
you a really valuable employee, you could "negotiate" four
weeks.

I think times have changed somewhat in the interim, but with
the reluctance to provide employee medical insurance
(particularly dependent coverage), and to pay for overtime,
they appear to be changing back again - to pre-WW2 standards!

Wendy

"nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected] ink.net>...
    > > Everybody around the world knows that Americans are highly
    > > neurotic and hysterical - and now you have discovered the reason.
    >
    > That is hardly the sole reason, but you have the right idea. Religion
    > is much more of a factor.
    >
    > > Americans live to work. The rest of the people in the world work
    > > to live.
    >
    > It is not so simple. Those of us who wish to take more vacation
    > time often end up unemployed because our workaholic bosses
    > deem us to have a bad attitude. And those of us unlucky to be
    > married to a typical American woman have no choice but to work
    > long hours to support their lifestyle of SUVs, large house full of
    > trinkets, never-ending gifts for spoiled children, etc.

Ha! Typical American woman my ass!!! I'm the primary breadwinner in my
marriage (have been for over three years), just as my mom supported my
dad when he was finishing college. Maybe you need to re-evaluate the
type of women you were drawn to.

Anywho, I get four weeks' + a week off between Christmas and New
Year's. I work at a small four-year college and nonprofits typically
are generous with the bennies, since the wages often aren't that
great. When I worked in London, my coworkers got something like six
weeks vacay.

Nospam

    >> It is not so simple. Those of us who wish to take more vacation
    >> time often end up unemployed because our workaholic bosses
    >> deem us to have a bad attitude. And those of us unlucky to be
    >> married to a typical American woman have no choice but to work
    >> long hours to support their lifestyle of SUVs, large house full of
    >> trinkets, never-ending gifts for spoiled children, etc.
    > Ha! Typical American woman my ass!!!

Probably a typical American fat ass. Huge, gigantic, really wide.

    > I'm the primary breadwinner in my marriage (have been for over
    > three years), just as my mom supported my dad when he was
    > finishing college.

So every woman in your family marries deadbeats. Maybe your
entire family should re-evaluate preferences.

    > Maybe you need to re-evaluate the type of women you were drawn to.

I am not married. Sleep with American women, yes, but marry them
and be tied to their highly materialistic and never-ending demands, no.


Pete

Me

"Auntie Em" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:33:43 +0200, Barbara Bomberger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:47:31 -0500, Auntie Em <[email protected]>
    > >wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >>>My husband gets six weeks of vacation, I get four.
    > >>>
    > >>>Not ignorant, not brainwashed. Next?
    > >>
    > >>Oh really?
    > >>
    > >>So HOW MANY YEARS have you (and your husband), been getting up every
    > >>single morning and gone to the same, boring, useless job in order to
    > >>obtain these wonderful vacations?
    > >>
    > >>Not brainwashed? Are you so sure about that?
    > >
    > >Well, Im not the OP, but about five years (and I get four, not six
    > >weeks, and all holidays ooff)
    > >
    > >And fortunatlely, my job isnt boring. Is yours??
    > Unless you work for yourself or are an EMT or work in an emergency
    > room, I have never seen a job that wasn't repititious and boring.
    > Even police officers will tell you that 90 percent of their arrests
    > are very nearly identical with only rarely something out of the
    > ordinary happening.
    > As for "normal" every day types of jobs - yes they are exceedingly,
    > horrifically boring.

Maybe yours were -- I think you need to remember that despite what you may
think, you DON'T speak for everyone. Some of us have jobs other than
waitressing.

Auntie Em

    >> As for "normal" every day types of jobs - yes they are exceedingly,
    >> horrifically boring.
    >Maybe yours were -- I think you need to remember that despite what you may
    >think, you DON'T speak for everyone. Some of us have jobs other than
    >waitressing.

During my 30 years in the work world I have done everything from being
a legal assistant for a personal injury law attorney to creating
websites, fundraising and grant writing for non-profit organizations,
working in a pet shop, working in a travel related capacity, worked in
a box office for a theatre and a zillion others. In each case, they
were all repetitive to some extent, and eventually boring. You simply
cannot do the same kind of thing day in and day out, over and over and
over without it becoming tedious. Very, very few jobs are not
repetitious. If you can prove me wrong, then I would welcome hearing
about it.

EM
Be careful what you wish for....

Anon

RADIO EDIT wrote:
    > I used to get 30 days a year before I retired. And the military gets 30
    > days a year too.

When I was in the military, that 30 days counted all 7 days in a week.
Has this changed?

Sara

K. Reece wrote:

    >"Sara" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>Gee, Roddy, you seem very good at calling people liars and spouting off
    >>your own opinions, yet you've not backed up ONE assertion you've made with
    >>any real citation. How odd.
    >>Could you please provide a link to your sources? Your credibility is in
    >>doubt. Since you feel the data is too old, please provide at least two or
    >>three recent sources that support your opinions.
    >>
    >He's never provided a cite to back up any of his claims before. What makes
    >you think he'll start now? All he does is insult people when he can't back
    >up any claim.
    >Honestly, it's pointless to have any kind of discussion with him since he
    >hasn't clue one as to how to have a discussion.
    >As far as I can tell he never had any credibility to start with.
    >Kathy
    >
Thanks for the tipoff. I did start getting this when he first began
tossing the ad hominem attacks. The funny thing is he's now posted reams
of repitious hyperbole and still has not been able to come up with one
actual cite.....




--
"Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.'' -- George Bush, Sept 7

Rod Speed

Sara <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > The funny thing is he's now posted reams of repitious hyperbole and still has
    > not been able to come up with one actual cite.....

You're lying again.

K. Reece

"Sara" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > K. Reece wrote:
    >>"Sara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>>Gee, Roddy, you seem very good at calling people liars and spouting off
    >>>your own opinions, yet you've not backed up ONE assertion you've made
    >>>with any real citation. How odd.
    >>>Could you please provide a link to your sources? Your credibility is in
    >>>doubt. Since you feel the data is too old, please provide at least two
    >>>or three recent sources that support your opinions.
    >>He's never provided a cite to back up any of his claims before. What
    >>makes you think he'll start now? All he does is insult people when he
    >>can't back up any claim.
    >>Honestly, it's pointless to have any kind of discussion with him since he
    >>hasn't clue one as to how to have a discussion.
    >>As far as I can tell he never had any credibility to start with.
    >>Kathy
    > Thanks for the tipoff. I did start getting this when he first began
    > tossing the ad hominem attacks. The funny thing is he's now posted reams
    > of repitious hyperbole and still has not been able to come up with one
    > actual cite.....

When I replied to you I forgot this thing was cross posted and you were
probably reading in a group he doesn't frequent.

He has never provided one single cite to back up any of his claims. I
sincerly doubt if he's going to start now. And of course he is an authority
on damn near everything. <snort> I just don't read his crap anymore and I
don't generally read replies to him either.

You'll get a whole lot farther and be a lot less frustrated if you go out in
the yard and have the discussion with a tree.

Kathy

Paulfoel

Is'nt the statutory minimum in the UK 20 days ?

Paulfoel

No way !!!

After working for many companies in the IT industry here in the UK in
the last 15 years (and being laid off twice), heres my attitude :-

1. Family is at the top of important list, WAY above work.
2. Employers look after themselves, not you.
3. You need to look after your own interests in work.
4. You can work 24/7 and an employer will still shaft you if it makes
financial sense.
5. NEVER put work above your personal life.
6. Limit the amount you do for free.
Guess thats my move to the US cancelled then :-)

John

On 1 Nov 2004 08:10:51 -0800, "paulfoel" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >No way !!!
    >After working for many companies in the IT industry here in the UK in
    >the last 15 years (and being laid off twice), heres my attitude :-
    >1. Family is at the top of important list, WAY above work.
    >2. Employers look after themselves, not you.
    >3. You need to look after your own interests in work.
    >4. You can work 24/7 and an employer will still shaft you if it makes
    >financial sense.
    >5. NEVER put work above your personal life.
    >6. Limit the amount you do for free.
    >Guess thats my move to the US cancelled then :-)


I think I have a pretty good view of UK workers from films.

I think the film, "I'm Alright, Jack" typifies the UK worker.