POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
Jul 19th 2004, 5:12 am
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> Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
Yes....
Probably.
Yes....
Probably.
Jul 19th 2004, 6:08 am
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Re: POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
jcoulter extrapolated from data available...
(mucha snippagia)
Ahhh, the pubic wig (and contrary to merkinish affinity, the prostitutes I
once knew who hoped to match blondness simply used hair dye).
'Merkin's origin is simple.....the Leftpondian/USAian tourist of yore, sort
of classicly Babbittish, on his first trip to Europe paid for by the vast
postWWII economic growth in the US...
"Im'a 'Merkin."
TMO
(mucha snippagia)
Ahhh, the pubic wig (and contrary to merkinish affinity, the prostitutes I
once knew who hoped to match blondness simply used hair dye).
'Merkin's origin is simple.....the Leftpondian/USAian tourist of yore, sort
of classicly Babbittish, on his first trip to Europe paid for by the vast
postWWII economic growth in the US...
"Im'a 'Merkin."
TMO
Jul 19th 2004, 6:15 am
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) extrapolated from data available...
>
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> jenn writes:
>>
>>
>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their
>>>intelligence
>>
>>
>> Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at
>> a low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited
>> literacy).
>
> Well... not always, but in our president's case, there appears to be a
> fair correlation.
>
Well, degrees from Yale and Harvard aside, I suspect that most of Mr.
Bush's pronunciation and diction comes from having spent much of his life
in West Texas and Houston where a substantial slug of the populace speaks
in the same fashion.
If President Bush's diction and pronunciation seems strange, you've
obviously forgotten (or are too young to recall) LBJ waxing poetic and
philosphical.
TMO
Of course, Kerry sounds strange to many of us.
>
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> jenn writes:
>>
>>
>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their
>>>intelligence
>>
>>
>> Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at
>> a low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited
>> literacy).
>
> Well... not always, but in our president's case, there appears to be a
> fair correlation.
>
Well, degrees from Yale and Harvard aside, I suspect that most of Mr.
Bush's pronunciation and diction comes from having spent much of his life
in West Texas and Houston where a substantial slug of the populace speaks
in the same fashion.
If President Bush's diction and pronunciation seems strange, you've
obviously forgotten (or are too young to recall) LBJ waxing poetic and
philosphical.
TMO
Of course, Kerry sounds strange to many of us.
Jul 19th 2004, 3:44 pm
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Tim Kroesen wrote:
> Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
> spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
> Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke, as
> compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
>
> IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct' English
> than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but that is
> negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have English
> as a first language...
>
> So in actuality most discern me as without any accent whatsoever.
Might that be because the "midwestern" accent has for so long been the
adopted norm for radio and TV broadcasting? Although I'm sure they have
access to the BBC, as well, I suspect most Europeans "perfect" their
English by watching American films and TV shows.
>
> Tim K
>
> "Des O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Tim Kroesen wrote:
>>...
>>>How far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and what funny
>>>accent might she suffer???
>>>Tim K
>>or vice-versa..
>
>
> Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
> spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
> Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke, as
> compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
>
> IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct' English
> than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but that is
> negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have English
> as a first language...
>
> So in actuality most discern me as without any accent whatsoever.
Might that be because the "midwestern" accent has for so long been the
adopted norm for radio and TV broadcasting? Although I'm sure they have
access to the BBC, as well, I suspect most Europeans "perfect" their
English by watching American films and TV shows.
>
> Tim K
>
> "Des O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Tim Kroesen wrote:
>>...
>>>How far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and what funny
>>>accent might she suffer???
>>>Tim K
>>or vice-versa..
>
>
Jul 19th 2004, 3:47 pm
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The Reids wrote:
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
>
>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
>
>
> Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not in
any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
>
>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
>
>
> Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not in
any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
Jul 19th 2004, 5:47 pm
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He apparently avoided Air National Guard duty requirements too: I wonder
how much Flight School he also avoided?
A real pisser to me: my Father entered the Air Force at age Eighteen in
1950 thereabout *with* a single engine pilots license... Rather than
flight school which he applied, hoped and prepared himself for, they
assigned him to driving a gasoline tanker. It appears in those days it
took someone pulling strings to get you in...
Tim K
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The Reids wrote:
> > Following up to Mxsmanic
> >
> >
> >>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their
intelligence
> >>
> >>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at
a
> >>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited
literacy).
> >
> >
> > Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
> I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not
in
> any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
how much Flight School he also avoided?
A real pisser to me: my Father entered the Air Force at age Eighteen in
1950 thereabout *with* a single engine pilots license... Rather than
flight school which he applied, hoped and prepared himself for, they
assigned him to driving a gasoline tanker. It appears in those days it
took someone pulling strings to get you in...
Tim K
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Reids wrote:
> > Following up to Mxsmanic
> >
> >
> >>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their
intelligence
> >>
> >>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at
a
> >>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited
literacy).
> >
> >
> > Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
> I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not
in
> any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
Jul 20th 2004, 3:59 am
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Tim Kroesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
> spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
> Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke, as
> compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
> IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct' English
> than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but that is
> negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have English
> as a first language...
I was recently in Nepal and people were remarking to me that they found the
American accent very difficult to understand compared with the British and
Australian.
miguel
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> Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
> spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
> Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke, as
> compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
> IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct' English
> than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but that is
> negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have English
> as a first language...
I was recently in Nepal and people were remarking to me that they found the
American accent very difficult to understand compared with the British and
Australian.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Jul 20th 2004, 4:34 am
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"American accent" is the key; someone from the deep south or Boston,
probably...
Tim K
"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tim Kroesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
> > spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
> > Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke,
as
> > compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
> >
> > IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct'
English
> > than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but
that is
> > negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have
English
> > as a first language...
> I was recently in Nepal and people were remarking to me that they
found the
> American accent very difficult to understand compared with the British
and
> Australian.
> miguel
> --
> Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world:
http://travel.u.nu
probably...
Tim K
"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tim Kroesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
> > spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
> > Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke,
as
> > compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
> >
> > IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct'
English
> > than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but
that is
> > negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have
English
> > as a first language...
> I was recently in Nepal and people were remarking to me that they
found the
> American accent very difficult to understand compared with the British
and
> Australian.
> miguel
> --
> Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world:
http://travel.u.nu
Jul 20th 2004, 5:25 am
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"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Tim Kroesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
> > spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
> > Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke, as
> > compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
> >
> > IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct' English
> > than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but that is
> > negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have English
> > as a first language...
> I was recently in Nepal and people were remarking to me that they found
the
> American accent very difficult to understand compared with the British and
> Australian.
WHICH American accent ?
The folks in West Virginia speak a mite differently
to Texicans, Californians or those from Brooklyn
A Russian friend of mine was an interpreter and he
found it was the wide range of accents amongst people
speaking 'English' that he found tricky.
He had a point as there were some folks from N'awlins
present who I had a hard time understanding.
Keith
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> Tim Kroesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
> > spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
> > Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke, as
> > compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
> >
> > IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct' English
> > than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but that is
> > negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have English
> > as a first language...
> I was recently in Nepal and people were remarking to me that they found
the
> American accent very difficult to understand compared with the British and
> Australian.
WHICH American accent ?
The folks in West Virginia speak a mite differently
to Texicans, Californians or those from Brooklyn
A Russian friend of mine was an interpreter and he
found it was the wide range of accents amongst people
speaking 'English' that he found tricky.
He had a point as there were some folks from N'awlins
present who I had a hard time understanding.
Keith
Jul 20th 2004, 8:21 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>The Reids wrote:
>> Following up to Mxsmanic
>>
>>
>>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>>>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>>>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
>>
>>
>> Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
>I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not in
>any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
Regarding his literacy level, I understand he got through "My Pet Goat"
with a minimum of difficulty ;-)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>The Reids wrote:
>> Following up to Mxsmanic
>>
>>
>>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>>>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>>>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
>>
>>
>> Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
>I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not in
>any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
Regarding his literacy level, I understand he got through "My Pet Goat"
with a minimum of difficulty ;-)
Jul 20th 2004, 8:39 am
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Bill Moore wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The Reids wrote:
>>>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>>>>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>>>>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
>>>Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
>>I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not in
>>any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
>
>
>
> Regarding his literacy level, I understand he got through "My Pet Goat"
> with a minimum of difficulty ;-)
>
>
>
>
he didn't read it -- he listened to kids reading it -- because his only
choice when Americans were leaping to their deaths from tall buildings
and planes were closing in on the Pentagon and Capitol was to either 1.
sit there listening to a story about a goat OR 2. run around the room
panicking and 'scaring the children' ---- this is the GOP line which is
showing up in letters to the editor by rubes in People and other
periodicals as well as all over the news
he had no other choice -- like say, excusing himself gracefully and
finding out what was going on and taking 'command'
> In article <[email protected]>,
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The Reids wrote:
>>>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>>>>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>>>>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
>>>Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
>>I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not in
>>any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
>
>
>
> Regarding his literacy level, I understand he got through "My Pet Goat"
> with a minimum of difficulty ;-)
>
>
>
>
he didn't read it -- he listened to kids reading it -- because his only
choice when Americans were leaping to their deaths from tall buildings
and planes were closing in on the Pentagon and Capitol was to either 1.
sit there listening to a story about a goat OR 2. run around the room
panicking and 'scaring the children' ---- this is the GOP line which is
showing up in letters to the editor by rubes in People and other
periodicals as well as all over the news
he had no other choice -- like say, excusing himself gracefully and
finding out what was going on and taking 'command'
Jul 20th 2004, 9:16 am
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In article <[email protected]>, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bill Moore wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>The Reids wrote:
>>>>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>>>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>>>>>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>>>>>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
>>>>Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
>>>I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not in
>>>any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding his literacy level, I understand he got through "My Pet Goat"
>> with a minimum of difficulty ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>he didn't read it -- he listened to kids reading it -- because his only
Well, OK, but I bet he knew most of the words ;-)
>choice when Americans were leaping to their deaths from tall buildings
>and planes were closing in on the Pentagon and Capitol was to either 1.
>sit there listening to a story about a goat OR 2. run around the room
>panicking and 'scaring the children' ---- this is the GOP line which is
>showing up in letters to the editor by rubes in People and other
>periodicals as well as all over the news
>he had no other choice -- like say, excusing himself gracefully and
>finding out what was going on and taking 'command'
>Bill Moore wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>The Reids wrote:
>>>>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>>>>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>>>>>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>>>>>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
>>>>Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
>>>I think a lot of Americans would like the answer to that, too! (Not in
>>>any actual war, that's for sure - he avoided Viet Nam most adroitly.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding his literacy level, I understand he got through "My Pet Goat"
>> with a minimum of difficulty ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>he didn't read it -- he listened to kids reading it -- because his only
Well, OK, but I bet he knew most of the words ;-)
>choice when Americans were leaping to their deaths from tall buildings
>and planes were closing in on the Pentagon and Capitol was to either 1.
>sit there listening to a story about a goat OR 2. run around the room
>panicking and 'scaring the children' ---- this is the GOP line which is
>showing up in letters to the editor by rubes in People and other
>periodicals as well as all over the news
>he had no other choice -- like say, excusing himself gracefully and
>finding out what was going on and taking 'command'
Jul 20th 2004, 3:19 pm
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
>
> He had a point as there were some folks from N'awlins
> present who I had a hard time understanding.
I had similar problems with a wheelchair attendant at LHR - I finally
asked him where he was from, since I could not place his accent, and
could scarcely understand a word he said. To my amazement he replied
"London"! (But DEFINITELY not the accent one hears on BBC broadcasts.)
>
> He had a point as there were some folks from N'awlins
> present who I had a hard time understanding.
I had similar problems with a wheelchair attendant at LHR - I finally
asked him where he was from, since I could not place his accent, and
could scarcely understand a word he said. To my amazement he replied
"London"! (But DEFINITELY not the accent one hears on BBC broadcasts.)
Jul 20th 2004, 8:57 pm
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Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>Although I'm sure they have
>access to the BBC, as well, I suspect most Europeans "perfect" their
>English by watching American films and TV shows.
I don't think I have noticed American sounding second language
european english speakers, except for some Dutch and that might
be something in the dutch accent.
--
Mike Reid
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>Although I'm sure they have
>access to the BBC, as well, I suspect most Europeans "perfect" their
>English by watching American films and TV shows.
I don't think I have noticed American sounding second language
european english speakers, except for some Dutch and that might
be something in the dutch accent.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jul 20th 2004, 10:44 pm
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:57:52 +0100, The Reids wrote:
> Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>
>>Although I'm sure they have
>>access to the BBC, as well, I suspect most Europeans "perfect" their
>>English by watching American films and TV shows.
>
> I don't think I have noticed American sounding second language
> european english speakers, except for some Dutch and that might
> be something in the dutch accent.
I have. It's quite common here (A) and the newsreaders always put an
over-emphasised American "r" to English names.
Many of the teachers in adult language schools are American, or worse,
Austrians who have lived/studied in the US.
I anticipate a few argies with the teachers when my kids start going to
school.
--
Tim C.
> Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>
>>Although I'm sure they have
>>access to the BBC, as well, I suspect most Europeans "perfect" their
>>English by watching American films and TV shows.
>
> I don't think I have noticed American sounding second language
> european english speakers, except for some Dutch and that might
> be something in the dutch accent.
I have. It's quite common here (A) and the newsreaders always put an
over-emphasised American "r" to English names.
Many of the teachers in adult language schools are American, or worse,
Austrians who have lived/studied in the US.
I anticipate a few argies with the teachers when my kids start going to
school.
--
Tim C.
