POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
Jul 18th 2004, 7:50 am
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Re: POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:19:40 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Nancy Kay wrote:
...
... > In article <[email protected]>,
... > jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >
... >>Americans from the south don't much like yank but it doesn't bother
... >>northerners and most poeple don't know the unpleasant meaning of Merkin
... >
... >
... > They would catch on quick to the unpleasant meaning of Merkin if they
... > accessed this newsgroup.
...
... Really? I don't know what it means (and really don't care) - for SOME
... of the alleged "Americans" posting here, "unpleasant" pejoratives seem
... singularly apt.
Nancy does not seem aware that merkin is a "beard".
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Nancy Kay wrote:
...
... > In article <[email protected]>,
... > jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >
... >>Americans from the south don't much like yank but it doesn't bother
... >>northerners and most poeple don't know the unpleasant meaning of Merkin
... >
... >
... > They would catch on quick to the unpleasant meaning of Merkin if they
... > accessed this newsgroup.
...
... Really? I don't know what it means (and really don't care) - for SOME
... of the alleged "Americans" posting here, "unpleasant" pejoratives seem
... singularly apt.
Nancy does not seem aware that merkin is a "beard".
Jul 18th 2004, 8:00 am
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Dans l'article <[email protected]>, jenn
<[email protected]> a écrit :
> Frog, Kraut, Dago and Wop are NEVER said in a non derogatory fashion
With Frog, it's only since Bush. I had a friend, who was British, and she
and I had a genealogical research organisation which we called "Frogs,"
simply because we were both dual nationals, she was British/French, I was
American/French. Obviously we would not have called ourselves this if we
felt it was derogatory. She died some years back and our organisation died
with her. Just one was not enough to carry it on. I still miss my fellow
Frog.
Donna Evleth
<[email protected]> a écrit :
> Frog, Kraut, Dago and Wop are NEVER said in a non derogatory fashion
With Frog, it's only since Bush. I had a friend, who was British, and she
and I had a genealogical research organisation which we called "Frogs,"
simply because we were both dual nationals, she was British/French, I was
American/French. Obviously we would not have called ourselves this if we
felt it was derogatory. She died some years back and our organisation died
with her. Just one was not enough to carry it on. I still miss my fellow
Frog.
Donna Evleth
Jul 18th 2004, 8:20 am
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Re: POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
In article <[email protected]>, Donna Evleth
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dans l'article <[email protected]>, jenn
> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>
>
> > Frog, Kraut, Dago and Wop are NEVER said in a non derogatory fashion
>
> With Frog, it's only since Bush. I had a friend, who was British, and she
> and I had a genealogical research organisation which we called "Frogs,"
> simply because we were both dual nationals, she was British/French, I was
> American/French. Obviously we would not have called ourselves this if we
> felt it was derogatory.
So the term 'nigger' is not derogatory, good grief.
jay
Sun Jul 18, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
> She died some years back and our organisation died
> with her. Just one was not enough to carry it on. I still miss my fellow
> Frog.
>
> Donna Evleth
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dans l'article <[email protected]>, jenn
> <[email protected]> a écrit :
>
>
> > Frog, Kraut, Dago and Wop are NEVER said in a non derogatory fashion
>
> With Frog, it's only since Bush. I had a friend, who was British, and she
> and I had a genealogical research organisation which we called "Frogs,"
> simply because we were both dual nationals, she was British/French, I was
> American/French. Obviously we would not have called ourselves this if we
> felt it was derogatory.
So the term 'nigger' is not derogatory, good grief.
jay
Sun Jul 18, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
> She died some years back and our organisation died
> with her. Just one was not enough to carry it on. I still miss my fellow
> Frog.
>
> Donna Evleth
Jul 18th 2004, 11:54 am
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Frog as an affectionate term? Must be a leap of faith. I grew up in Montreal
and the the term Frog and Pepsi were used for the Francophones.
What did I know I was just a kid Canuck
"Ken Wheatley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:22:44 -0500, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >Frog, Kraut, Dago and Wop are NEVER said in a non derogatory fashion
> >
> Old buffers like Godfrey Smith use frog affectionately, and see it as
> equivalent to rosbif.
and the the term Frog and Pepsi were used for the Francophones.
What did I know I was just a kid Canuck
"Ken Wheatley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[email protected]...> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:22:44 -0500, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >Frog, Kraut, Dago and Wop are NEVER said in a non derogatory fashion
> >
> Old buffers like Godfrey Smith use frog affectionately, and see it as
> equivalent to rosbif.
Jul 18th 2004, 3:36 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's not Bush's ACCENT most of his opponents object to - it's what he
> SAYS in that accent! (And how often he changes his story, or refuses to
> recognize any actual facts that contradict his preconceived notions.)
I think your statement could very well apply to Kerry as well especially
changing is stories.
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's not Bush's ACCENT most of his opponents object to - it's what he
> SAYS in that accent! (And how often he changes his story, or refuses to
> recognize any actual facts that contradict his preconceived notions.)
I think your statement could very well apply to Kerry as well especially
changing is stories.
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Jul 18th 2004, 4:35 pm
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Should that happen just join the crowds in the streets...
But it won't because they aren't that dumb. Can you imagine the voter
turn out percentage if someone would be stupid enough to tell people
they *can't* vote... I'm very serious here; the 'status quo' *count* on
half the citizens *not* taking an interest in an election which is
unfortunately true in the US.
Tim K
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tim Kroesen wrote:
> > Our 'Electoral College' system is our lawful system after all... Do
any
> > here think that simply postponing an election for a week would alter
the
> > results... Not in the way the *postponer* would like, surely!
> What about an "indefinite" postponement? (Meaning no election at
all?)
> If we suspend the Constitution a little, why not a lot? I truly
hope
> I'm just being paranoid, but where the present administration is
> concerned.....
But it won't because they aren't that dumb. Can you imagine the voter
turn out percentage if someone would be stupid enough to tell people
they *can't* vote... I'm very serious here; the 'status quo' *count* on
half the citizens *not* taking an interest in an election which is
unfortunately true in the US.
Tim K
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tim Kroesen wrote:
> > Our 'Electoral College' system is our lawful system after all... Do
any
> > here think that simply postponing an election for a week would alter
the
> > results... Not in the way the *postponer* would like, surely!
> What about an "indefinite" postponement? (Meaning no election at
all?)
> If we suspend the Constitution a little, why not a lot? I truly
hope
> I'm just being paranoid, but where the present administration is
> concerned.....
Jul 18th 2004, 4:45 pm
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I decided differently after I wore out the scroll wheel on Two mice
reading buried one line Usenet replies...
But I'll be nice since you where; Times change and therefore procedures
do too. Bottom posting is an ancient convection when post and reply
often took weeks to propagate; today it usually happens within minutes.
I therefore now have the attention span to remember what was said in the
virtual 'conversation' Usenet has become. IF I don't remember, a
reminder is there buried out of view and as we all know, Google is my
friend of last resort...<g>
Tim K
"sascha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Tim Kroesen" <[email protected]> schrieb:
> > He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States...
How
> > far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and what funny
accent
> > might she suffer???
> >
> Top-posting makes posts incomprehensible.
> It is a nuisance. Ask George,
> he did read the Netiquette!!
> (the monitor was upside down).
reading buried one line Usenet replies...
But I'll be nice since you where; Times change and therefore procedures
do too. Bottom posting is an ancient convection when post and reply
often took weeks to propagate; today it usually happens within minutes.
I therefore now have the attention span to remember what was said in the
virtual 'conversation' Usenet has become. IF I don't remember, a
reminder is there buried out of view and as we all know, Google is my
friend of last resort...<g>
Tim K
"sascha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tim Kroesen" <[email protected]> schrieb:
> > He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States...
How
> > far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and what funny
accent
> > might she suffer???
> >
> Top-posting makes posts incomprehensible.
> It is a nuisance. Ask George,
> he did read the Netiquette!!
> (the monitor was upside down).
Jul 18th 2004, 4:50 pm
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Funny you should mention that; the reality is that being fairly well
spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke, as
compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct' English
than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but that is
negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have English
as a first language...
So in actuality most discern me as without any accent whatsoever.
Tim K
"Des O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Tim Kroesen wrote:
> ...
> > How far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and what funny
> > accent might she suffer???
> >
> > Tim K
> or vice-versa..
spoken and from the Midwest, as I traveled Europe recently at least
Three different people commented on what "perfect English" I spoke, as
compared to Australians, English, etc, because of their 'accent'...
IMO the average Englishman and Australian speaks more 'correct' English
than the average American too; particularly young Americans, but that is
negated by the accent, particularly to someone that may not have English
as a first language...
So in actuality most discern me as without any accent whatsoever.
Tim K
"Des O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tim Kroesen wrote:
> ...
> > How far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and what funny
> > accent might she suffer???
> >
> > Tim K
> or vice-versa..
Jul 18th 2004, 4:55 pm
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Or another example of some Europeans inability to comprehend the written
word...<g>
The only thing this American can 'divine' about Magda from her usual
prose has nothing to do with her accent...
Tim K
"Des O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:38:11 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Des
O'Donoghue"
> > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked
like
> this :
> >
> > ... Tim Kroesen wrote:
> > ... ...
> > ... > How far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and
what
> funny
> > ... > accent might she suffer???
> > ... >
> > ... > Tim K
> > ...
> > ... or vice-versa..
> >
> > My accent is "funny" ? How does he know ? LOL
> He can obviously tell accents from the way postings are typed :-)
Another
> example of some American's omniscience...
word...<g>
The only thing this American can 'divine' about Magda from her usual
prose has nothing to do with her accent...
Tim K
"Des O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:38:11 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Des
O'Donoghue"
> > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked
like
> this :
> >
> > ... Tim Kroesen wrote:
> > ... ...
> > ... > How far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and
what
> funny
> > ... > accent might she suffer???
> > ... >
> > ... > Tim K
> > ...
> > ... or vice-versa..
> >
> > My accent is "funny" ? How does he know ? LOL
> He can obviously tell accents from the way postings are typed :-)
Another
> example of some American's omniscience...
Jul 18th 2004, 5:00 pm
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I thought that was an Australian derisive term for an Aborigine...?
Tim K
"Joan McGalliard" <jem*NO-SPAM*@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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> Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I'm sticking to Europe and the Commenwealth here, but:
> > Limey
> > Yank
> > Merkin
> > Kiwi
> > Frog
> > Kraut
> > Dago
> > Wop
> > All are said in a non derogatory fashion.
> hmmm, big one missing.
> Wog - which in Australia referred to mostly southern europeans,
> typically greeks and italians. The 1st Australian born generation
> decided to claim back the word (cf "fags" in US) and the cry was "I'm
a
> wog and proud". They defused a racist word and gave Australia a great
> deal of it's comedy in 1980s. And words like wogball (soccer) and
> wog-a-vision (foreign language tv station) became acceptable slang.
> joan
> --
> Joan McGalliard, UK http://www.mcgalliard.org
Tim K
"Joan McGalliard" <jem*NO-SPAM*@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:1gh3ys5.z4fidb1b9wdgeN%jem*NO-S...etspace.net.au...
> Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I'm sticking to Europe and the Commenwealth here, but:
> > Limey
> > Yank
> > Merkin
> > Kiwi
> > Frog
> > Kraut
> > Dago
> > Wop
> > All are said in a non derogatory fashion.
> hmmm, big one missing.
> Wog - which in Australia referred to mostly southern europeans,
> typically greeks and italians. The 1st Australian born generation
> decided to claim back the word (cf "fags" in US) and the cry was "I'm
a
> wog and proud". They defused a racist word and gave Australia a great
> deal of it's comedy in 1980s. And words like wogball (soccer) and
> wog-a-vision (foreign language tv station) became acceptable slang.
> joan
> --
> Joan McGalliard, UK http://www.mcgalliard.org
Jul 18th 2004, 6:03 pm
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Tim Kroesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> I thought that was an Australian derisive term for an Aborigine...?
Dozens, possible hundreds. I'm not writing any of them.
You'll notice that the original lists doesn't include any terms for
blacks. Also, where's gweilo, gaijin, skip and honky?
joan
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> I thought that was an Australian derisive term for an Aborigine...?
Dozens, possible hundreds. I'm not writing any of them.
You'll notice that the original lists doesn't include any terms for
blacks. Also, where's gweilo, gaijin, skip and honky?
joan
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Jul 18th 2004, 9:08 pm
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Following up to Thomas
>Limey
>Yank
>Merkin
>Kiwi
>Frog
>Kraut
>Dago
>Wop
>All are said in a non derogatory fashion.
all more or less derogatory except when reclaimed and used by the
target people in the way queer has been claimed.
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>Limey
>Yank
>Merkin
>Kiwi
>Frog
>Kraut
>Dago
>Wop
>All are said in a non derogatory fashion.
all more or less derogatory except when reclaimed and used by the
target people in the way queer has been claimed.
--
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"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
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Jul 18th 2004, 9:08 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
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>> yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
>low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
--
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Jul 19th 2004, 12:05 am
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Re: POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Nancy Kay) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Americans from the south don't much like yank but it doesn't bother
> > northerners and most poeple don't know the unpleasant meaning of
> > Merkin
>
> They would catch on quick to the unpleasant meaning of Merkin if they
> accessed this newsgroup.
It's an irritating word, but ISTM it's most used here by an American...
[email protected] (Nancy Kay) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Americans from the south don't much like yank but it doesn't bother
> > northerners and most poeple don't know the unpleasant meaning of
> > Merkin
>
> They would catch on quick to the unpleasant meaning of Merkin if they
> accessed this newsgroup.
It's an irritating word, but ISTM it's most used here by an American...
Jul 19th 2004, 4:25 am
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The Reids writes:
> Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
I don't know.
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> Is it correct or incorrect the Bush was a fighter pilot?
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