POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
Jul 17th 2004, 6:30 am
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Re: POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
Tim Kroesen writes:
> He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States ...
You don't have to be smart to inherit something.
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> He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States ...
You don't have to be smart to inherit something.
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Jul 17th 2004, 6:32 am
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Re: POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
Charles Hawtrey writes:
> What evidence do you have for this?
Evidence? There are people who dispute this?
If you can't read, you base your pronunciation exclusively on what you
hear, and many people hear certain words incorrectly on a fairly
consistent basis. Pronouncing words according to this incorrect
perception indicates that one has never or very rarely read them in
print.
> Linguists usually identify variant pronunciations ("nucular"
> for nuclear, "axe" for ask, etc.) with regional or ethnic
> differences, not intelligence.
It's politically incorrect to link certain mispronunciations with
illiteracy.
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> What evidence do you have for this?
Evidence? There are people who dispute this?
If you can't read, you base your pronunciation exclusively on what you
hear, and many people hear certain words incorrectly on a fairly
consistent basis. Pronouncing words according to this incorrect
perception indicates that one has never or very rarely read them in
print.
> Linguists usually identify variant pronunciations ("nucular"
> for nuclear, "axe" for ask, etc.) with regional or ethnic
> differences, not intelligence.
It's politically incorrect to link certain mispronunciations with
illiteracy.
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Jul 17th 2004, 6:33 am
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Sorry Mixi; you're talking 'royalty' now using the term inheritance
regarding political power; no Kennedys in the race this year here...<g>
Tim K
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> Tim Kroesen writes:
> > He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States ...
> You don't have to be smart to inherit something.
> --
> Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me
directly.
regarding political power; no Kennedys in the race this year here...<g>
Tim K
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> Tim Kroesen writes:
> > He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States ...
> You don't have to be smart to inherit something.
> --
> Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me
directly.
Jul 17th 2004, 8:01 am
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Re: POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
Thomas wrote:
> I'm sticking to Europe and the Commenwealth here, but:
> Limey
> Yank
> Merkin
> Kiwi
> Frog
> Kraut
> Dago
> Wop
> All are said in a non derogatory fashion.
"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names will never hurt me".
So far as I'm concerned that goes for most terms that imply stereotyping
of an entire group. However, I try to avoid using ALL such words,
because some people DO find them offensive, and IMO it brands the user
as an ignorant slob without the vocabulary to carry on a conversation
without resorting to terms some may find insulting.
> I'm sticking to Europe and the Commenwealth here, but:
> Limey
> Yank
> Merkin
> Kiwi
> Frog
> Kraut
> Dago
> Wop
> All are said in a non derogatory fashion.
"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names will never hurt me".
So far as I'm concerned that goes for most terms that imply stereotyping
of an entire group. However, I try to avoid using ALL such words,
because some people DO find them offensive, and IMO it brands the user
as an ignorant slob without the vocabulary to carry on a conversation
without resorting to terms some may find insulting.
Jul 17th 2004, 8:05 am
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jenn wrote:
> Thomas wrote:
>
>> I'm sticking to Europe and the Commenwealth here, but:
>> Limey
>> Yank
>> Merkin
>> Kiwi
>> Frog
>> Kraut
>> Dago
>> Wop
>> All are said in a non derogatory fashion.
>
> Frog, Kraut, Dago and Wop are NEVER said in a non derogatory fashion
Well, I've certainly heard plenty of Italian-Americans address each
other as "Dago" and "Wop" with no insult intended. (But black Americans
often use the "N" word to each other, too - I wouldn't recommend a WASP
addressing one of them that way, though!) ;-)
>
> Americans from the south don't much like yank but it doesn't bother
> northerners and most poeple don't know the unpleasant meaning of Merkin
> Thomas wrote:
>
>> I'm sticking to Europe and the Commenwealth here, but:
>> Limey
>> Yank
>> Merkin
>> Kiwi
>> Frog
>> Kraut
>> Dago
>> Wop
>> All are said in a non derogatory fashion.
>
> Frog, Kraut, Dago and Wop are NEVER said in a non derogatory fashion
Well, I've certainly heard plenty of Italian-Americans address each
other as "Dago" and "Wop" with no insult intended. (But black Americans
often use the "N" word to each other, too - I wouldn't recommend a WASP
addressing one of them that way, though!) ;-)
>
> Americans from the south don't much like yank but it doesn't bother
> northerners and most poeple don't know the unpleasant meaning of Merkin
Jul 17th 2004, 8:12 am
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jenn wrote:
>
> Americans from the south don't much like yank but it doesn't bother
> northerners
That's because many Southerners are still fighting the "War Between the
States"? "Yankee" at that time referred strictly to Northerners - aka
"the enemy". (Question: How many of these "pejorative" terms have
their roots in the national histories of the people to whom they refer?)
>
> Americans from the south don't much like yank but it doesn't bother
> northerners
That's because many Southerners are still fighting the "War Between the
States"? "Yankee" at that time referred strictly to Northerners - aka
"the enemy". (Question: How many of these "pejorative" terms have
their roots in the national histories of the people to whom they refer?)
Jul 17th 2004, 8:15 am
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Irwell wrote:
>
> I am probably one of the few true Limeys left.
> On the troopship out ot India in 1944 we were
> served a mug of limejuice each day.
I'd forgotten that the term originally applied to British seamen! (And
their remedy for preventing scurvy on long voyages.)
>
> I am probably one of the few true Limeys left.
> On the troopship out ot India in 1944 we were
> served a mug of limejuice each day.
I'd forgotten that the term originally applied to British seamen! (And
their remedy for preventing scurvy on long voyages.)
Jul 17th 2004, 8:17 am
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Carole Allen wrote:
> Ah, but the current Chief of State in fact pronounces the word
> "Merkin", along with "terrrist' or nu-kyu-ler." Sort of reflects
> something about intelligence, say what?
Many of us think so! (And hope that he is only the "once" and not "once
and future" king.)
> Ah, but the current Chief of State in fact pronounces the word
> "Merkin", along with "terrrist' or nu-kyu-ler." Sort of reflects
> something about intelligence, say what?
Many of us think so! (And hope that he is only the "once" and not "once
and future" king.)
Jul 17th 2004, 8:19 am
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jenn wrote:
> Carole Allen wrote:
>
>> Ah, but the current Chief of State in fact pronounces the word
>> "Merkin", along with "terrrist' or nu-kyu-ler." Sort of reflects
>> something about intelligence, say what?
>
>
> yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
His father was as much a Texan as he, but managed to speak intelligibly.
(But the Shrub has clearly demonstrated that he shares only blood, not
brain-power, with his sire.)
>
>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:47:48 +0000 (UTC), Hawth Hill
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> <snipped> On the other hand, the term "Merkin" carries with
>>> it a sense of derision and contempt that I find offensive. No one
>>> has ever
>>> said it to me, but it's commonly used to belittle the current
>>> American chief
>>> of state, or to belittle others in newsgroups by implying that they have
>>> little education or intelligence.
> Carole Allen wrote:
>
>> Ah, but the current Chief of State in fact pronounces the word
>> "Merkin", along with "terrrist' or nu-kyu-ler." Sort of reflects
>> something about intelligence, say what?
>
>
> yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
His father was as much a Texan as he, but managed to speak intelligibly.
(But the Shrub has clearly demonstrated that he shares only blood, not
brain-power, with his sire.)
>
>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:47:48 +0000 (UTC), Hawth Hill
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> <snipped> On the other hand, the term "Merkin" carries with
>>> it a sense of derision and contempt that I find offensive. No one
>>> has ever
>>> said it to me, but it's commonly used to belittle the current
>>> American chief
>>> of state, or to belittle others in newsgroups by implying that they have
>>> little education or intelligence.
Jul 17th 2004, 8:37 am
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Tim Kroesen wrote:
> He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States... How
> far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and what funny accent
> might she suffer???
Uhhh.... "elected"???? There is still some controversy about that,
Supreme Court decision or no. (The people pulling the strings are
"smart" enough, and certainly those who insured that he got railroaded
into office are no dummies, but Bush himself?)
Certainly the ploy of possibly "postponing" the November elections "due
to terrorist threats", plus the highly suspect "electronic" voting
machines being forced into service despite the "bugs" in their
programming, already have many Americans expressing doubt about "our
leader's" honorable intentions for the next one. (If the elections are
allowed to take place at all, I predict a lot more controversy over
voting machines that leave no "paper trail" and are easily manipulated,
than ever arose from "hanging chads".)
> He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States... How
> far in life has Magda's intelligence brought her; and what funny accent
> might she suffer???
Uhhh.... "elected"???? There is still some controversy about that,
Supreme Court decision or no. (The people pulling the strings are
"smart" enough, and certainly those who insured that he got railroaded
into office are no dummies, but Bush himself?)
Certainly the ploy of possibly "postponing" the November elections "due
to terrorist threats", plus the highly suspect "electronic" voting
machines being forced into service despite the "bugs" in their
programming, already have many Americans expressing doubt about "our
leader's" honorable intentions for the next one. (If the elections are
allowed to take place at all, I predict a lot more controversy over
voting machines that leave no "paper trail" and are easily manipulated,
than ever arose from "hanging chads".)
Jul 17th 2004, 8:38 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> jenn writes:
>
>
>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>
>
> Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
> low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
Well... not always, but in our president's case, there appears to be a
fair correlation.
>
> jenn writes:
>
>
>>yeah right -- a person's accent really says a lot about their intelligence
>
>
> Accent may not, but poor diction does say a lot--it usually hints at a
> low reading level (functional or total illiteracy, or limited literacy).
Well... not always, but in our president's case, there appears to be a
fair correlation.
>
Jul 17th 2004, 8:43 am
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Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> "Tim Kroesen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [about Dubya]
>
>>He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States...
>
>
> That has little to do with being smart -- it's about money,
> connections, and the willingness to govern in the manner that your
> influential supporters demand.
Which is becoming more and more evident - and raises serious questions
about the "intelligence" of the average American, who seems to
complacently accept it! (Perhaps they deserve him - too bad the
thinking minority are stuck with him, also.)
> "Tim Kroesen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [about Dubya]
>
>>He was smart enough to be elected President of the United States...
>
>
> That has little to do with being smart -- it's about money,
> connections, and the willingness to govern in the manner that your
> influential supporters demand.
Which is becoming more and more evident - and raises serious questions
about the "intelligence" of the average American, who seems to
complacently accept it! (Perhaps they deserve him - too bad the
thinking minority are stuck with him, also.)
Jul 17th 2004, 8:45 am
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Tim Kroesen wrote:
> It has everything to do with "smart" and little to do with 'intelligence
> you mean... He rose to the top in a real world game of global power and
> influence. Give the man some due...
....But bankrupted all of businesses he actually RAN! (Doesn't show
much "smarts" for a Master's degree in Business Adminstration, does it?)
> It has everything to do with "smart" and little to do with 'intelligence
> you mean... He rose to the top in a real world game of global power and
> influence. Give the man some due...
....But bankrupted all of businesses he actually RAN! (Doesn't show
much "smarts" for a Master's degree in Business Adminstration, does it?)
Jul 17th 2004, 8:51 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Charles Hawtrey writes:
>
>
>>What evidence do you have for this?
>
>
> Evidence? There are people who dispute this?
>
> If you can't read, you base your pronunciation exclusively on what you
> hear, and many people hear certain words incorrectly on a fairly
> consistent basis. Pronouncing words according to this incorrect
> perception indicates that one has never or very rarely read them in
> print.
And how do you explain the variations between American and British
pronunciation of the same words? Often both pronunciations include
"silent" letters, which according to your assertion would be pronounced
by the "literate", regardless of common usage. (I'm NOT defending the
Shrub, but it's not his pronunciation, it's the asinine things he SAYS
that brand him as an idiot!)
> Charles Hawtrey writes:
>
>
>>What evidence do you have for this?
>
>
> Evidence? There are people who dispute this?
>
> If you can't read, you base your pronunciation exclusively on what you
> hear, and many people hear certain words incorrectly on a fairly
> consistent basis. Pronouncing words according to this incorrect
> perception indicates that one has never or very rarely read them in
> print.
And how do you explain the variations between American and British
pronunciation of the same words? Often both pronunciations include
"silent" letters, which according to your assertion would be pronounced
by the "literate", regardless of common usage. (I'm NOT defending the
Shrub, but it's not his pronunciation, it's the asinine things he SAYS
that brand him as an idiot!)
Jul 17th 2004, 8:52 am
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Re: POLL: who is offended by names for your culture.
Tim Kroesen wrote:
> Sorry Mixi; you're talking 'royalty' now using the term inheritance
> regarding political power; no Kennedys in the race this year here...<g>
Might be better if there were!
> Sorry Mixi; you're talking 'royalty' now using the term inheritance
> regarding political power; no Kennedys in the race this year here...<g>
Might be better if there were!
