Saintor

We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
- arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
- drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?) stay 3
days
- come back to Rome and spend 2 days.

We would appreciate to see;
- Alpes!
- major attractions like Vatican
- technological, automotive or military museums (no interest in art)

I would love to hear suggestions. Attractions. Cheap hotels well located,
etc...

TIA.

Deep Frayed Morgues

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:31:09 -0500, "Saintor"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
    >- arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
    >- drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?) stay 3
    >days
    >- come back to Rome and spend 2 days.
    >We would appreciate to see;
    >- Alpes!
    >- major attractions like Vatican
    >- technological, automotive or military museums (no interest in art)
    >I would love to hear suggestions. Attractions. Cheap hotels well located,
    >etc...

Are you sure you want to drive??? Trains would be cheaper, easier, and
probably faster too.

I live in Milan, and would not recommend more than a day for this
place. Rome on the other hand deserves a week in itself.
---
DFM

Miss L. Toe

"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:31:09 -0500, "Saintor"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
    > >- arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
    > >- drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?)
stay 3
    > >days
    > >- come back to Rome and spend 2 days.
    > >
    > >We would appreciate to see;
    > >- Alpes!
    > >- major attractions like Vatican
    > >- technological, automotive or military museums (no interest in art)
    > >
    > >I would love to hear suggestions. Attractions. Cheap hotels well
located,
    > >etc...
    > Are you sure you want to drive??? Trains would be cheaper, easier, and
    > probably faster too.
    > I live in Milan, and would not recommend more than a day for this
    > place. Rome on the other hand deserves a week in itself.

But you cant see the Alps from Rome !
(or from Milan if the weather is typical for that time of year)

What about fly or train Rome to Venice, pickup a hire car after a day in
Venice, drive towards Milan taking diversions into the Alps and staying
overnight in Verona, spend a part day and maybe night in Milan, drop off the
hire car, then fly/train back to Rome ???

Christmas day in the Alps should be nice and peaceful. But check public
transport availability around that time.

Miss L. Toe

    > - technological, automotive or military museums (no interest in art)

http://www.museoscienza.org/english/leonardo/ in Milan

Lots of exhibits but very little written explanations and what there is is
only in Italian.

(Dont get yourself too excited about the Leonardo specific bits)

allow 2 - 5 hours depending on you level of interest.

nitram

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:37:51 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
    >message news:[email protected]...
    >> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:31:09 -0500, "Saintor"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
    >> >- arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
    >> >- drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?)
    >stay 3
    >> >days
    >> >- come back to Rome and spend 2 days.
    >> >
    >> >We would appreciate to see;
    >> >- Alpes!
    >> >- major attractions like Vatican
    >> >- technological, automotive or military museums (no interest in art)
    >> >
    >> >I would love to hear suggestions. Attractions. Cheap hotels well
    >located,
    >> >etc...
    >> Are you sure you want to drive??? Trains would be cheaper, easier, and
    >> probably faster too.
    >> I live in Milan, and would not recommend more than a day for this
    >> place. Rome on the other hand deserves a week in itself.
    >But you cant see the Alps from Rome !

Nor from Milan most days because of air pollution.

You can see the Appenines from Rome.

    >(or from Milan if the weather is typical for that time of year)
    >What about fly or train Rome to Venice, pickup a hire car after a day in
    >Venice, drive towards Milan taking diversions into the Alps and staying
    >overnight in Verona, spend a part day and maybe night in Milan, drop off the
    >hire car, then fly/train back to Rome ???
    >Christmas day in the Alps should be nice and peaceful. But check public
    >transport availability around that time.

--
Martin

Webmaster http://www.discover.it

Miss L. Toe wrote:

    > "Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:31:09 -0500, "Saintor"
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
    >>>- arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
    >>>- drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?)
    >
    > stay 3
    >
    >>>days
    >>>- come back to Rome and spend 2 days.
    >>>We would appreciate to see;
    >>>- Alpes!
    >>>- major attractions like Vatican
    >>>- technological, automotive or military museums (no interest in art)
    >>>I would love to hear suggestions. Attractions. Cheap hotels well
    >
    > located,
    >
    >>>etc...
    >>Are you sure you want to drive??? Trains would be cheaper, easier, and
    >>probably faster too.
    >>I live in Milan, and would not recommend more than a day for this
    >>place. Rome on the other hand deserves a week in itself.
    >
    >
    > But you cant see the Alps from Rome !
    > (or from Milan if the weather is typical for that time of year)
    >
    > What about fly or train Rome to Venice, pickup a hire car after a day in
    > Venice, drive towards Milan taking diversions into the Alps and staying
    > overnight in Verona, spend a part day and maybe night in Milan, drop off the
    > hire car, then fly/train back to Rome ???

Too complicated. Fly Rome Venice, one day in Venice without car, then
hire car to go to the Alps, 2 days in the Alps
then fly back to Rome.

    >
    > Christmas day in the Alps should be nice and peaceful.

Not so peaceful... lots of skiers

    >
    >

Ken Blake

In news:[email protected],
Saintor <[email protected]> typed:

    > We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the
    > plan;
    > - arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
    > - drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any
    > suggestion?)
    > stay 3 days
    > - come back to Rome and spend 2 days.


I have two comments for you:

1. In any big city (Rome, Milano, or Torino) a car will be a
handicap, not an asset. Traffic is horrendous and parking is
well-nigh impossible. Since the car will be useful to you only
for travelling between cities, consider taking the train instead.
It will be cheaper, faster, and more convenient.

2. However you travel between the cities, why not do it only
once? Fly to Rome, go to Milano or Torino, and fly home from
Milano. You'll save a lot of time not making the trip twice.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup

Dave

"Webmaster http://www.discover.it" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >
    > > "Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
    > > message news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >>On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:31:09 -0500, "Saintor"
    > >><[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
    > >>>- arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
    > >>>- drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?)
    > >
    > > stay 3
    > >
    > >>>days
    > >>>- come back to Rome and spend 2 days.
    > >>>
    > >>>We would appreciate to see;
    > >>>- Alpes!
    > >>>- major attractions like Vatican
    > >>>- technological, automotive or military museums (no interest in art)
    > >>>
    > >>>I would love to hear suggestions. Attractions. Cheap hotels well
    > >
    > > located,
    > >
    > >>>etc...
    > >>
    > >>Are you sure you want to drive??? Trains would be cheaper, easier, and
    > >>probably faster too.
    > >>
    > >>I live in Milan, and would not recommend more than a day for this
    > >>place. Rome on the other hand deserves a week in itself.
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > > But you cant see the Alps from Rome !
    > > (or from Milan if the weather is typical for that time of year)
    > >
    > > What about fly or train Rome to Venice, pickup a hire car after a day in
    > > Venice, drive towards Milan taking diversions into the Alps and staying
    > > overnight in Verona, spend a part day and maybe night in Milan, drop off the
    > > hire car, then fly/train back to Rome ???
    >
    > Too complicated. Fly Rome Venice, one day in Venice without car, then
    > hire car to go to the Alps, 2 days in the Alps
    > then fly back to Rome.
    >
    > >
    > > Christmas day in the Alps should be nice and peaceful.
    >
    > Not so peaceful... lots of skiers
    >
    > >
    > >

I always use http://www.hotel-finder.org.uk. No banners. I hope this helps.

Dave

Frank F. Matthews

Dave wrote:

    > "Webmaster http://www.discover.it" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >>Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >>>"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
    >>>message news:[email protected]...
    >>>>On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:31:09 -0500, "Saintor"
    >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
    >>>>>- arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
    >>>>>- drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?)
    >>>stay 3
    >>>>>days
    >>>>>- come back to Rome and spend 2 days.
    >>>>>We would appreciate to see;
    >>>>>- Alpes!
    >>>>>- major attractions like Vatican
    >>>>>- technological, automotive or military museums (no interest in art)
    >>>>>I would love to hear suggestions. Attractions. Cheap hotels well
    >>>located,
    >>>>>etc...
    >>>>Are you sure you want to drive??? Trains would be cheaper, easier, and
    >>>>probably faster too.
    >>>>I live in Milan, and would not recommend more than a day for this
    >>>>place. Rome on the other hand deserves a week in itself.
    >>>But you cant see the Alps from Rome !
    >>>(or from Milan if the weather is typical for that time of year)
    >>>What about fly or train Rome to Venice, pickup a hire car after a day in
    >>>Venice, drive towards Milan taking diversions into the Alps and staying
    >>>overnight in Verona, spend a part day and maybe night in Milan, drop off the
    >>>hire car, then fly/train back to Rome ???
    >>Too complicated. Fly Rome Venice, one day in Venice without car, then
    >>hire car to go to the Alps, 2 days in the Alps
    >> then fly back to Rome.
    >>>Christmas day in the Alps should be nice and peaceful.
    >>Not so peaceful... lots of skiers
    >
    > I always use http://www.hotel-finder.org.uk. No banners. I hope this helps.
    >
    > Dave


Strange place. It thinks Milano is a region and didn't give any clear
way to find a place near the airport.


And no hotels in Urbino.


Two things that I needed for my spring trip.

Saintor

Trains are certainly an option.

I am a bit deceived of what I heard about Milan so far... any other more
interesting city close to the Alps? Major non-art-oriented museums?


    > Are you sure you want to drive??? Trains would be cheaper, easier, and
    > probably faster too.
    > I live in Milan, and would not recommend more than a day for this
    > place. Rome on the other hand deserves a week in itself.
    > ---
    > DFM

nitram

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:47:23 -0500, "Saintor"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Trains are certainly an option.
    >I am a bit deceived of what I heard about Milan so far... any other more
    >interesting city close to the Alps? Major non-art-oriented museums?

I prefer Turin and the surrounding area to Milan.
There's a Museum of Egyptology in Turin. The monastery where they made
"the Name of the Rose" is about a one hour drive away. The food is
good everywhere.
--
Martin

B Vaughan

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:09:58 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:

[snipped post about a web site ]

    >Strange place. It thinks Milano is a region and didn't give any clear
    >way to find a place near the airport.

I'm staying at the First Hotel at the Milan airport for one night
pretty soon. (I have to meet my daughter who's returning with all her
baggage from a year in Ghana and arriving very early in the morning.)
I'll let you know how it is.

    >And no hotels in Urbino.

Will you have a car?
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup

Frank F. Matthews

B Vaughan wrote:

    > On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:09:58 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > [snipped post about a web site ]
    >
    >
    >>Strange place. It thinks Milano is a region and didn't give any clear
    >>way to find a place near the airport.
    >
    >
    > I'm staying at the First Hotel at the Milan airport for one night
    > pretty soon. (I have to meet my daughter who's returning with all her
    > baggage from a year in Ghana and arriving very early in the morning.)
    > I'll let you know how it is.
    >
    >
    >>And no hotels in Urbino.
    >
    >
    > Will you have a car?

Yes and I do have a car and, probably, a hotel reservation for Urbino.
I was responding to the web site that was being pushed. I didn't find
it convenient at all looking for information I needed for a forthcoming
trip.

Ralph Holz

Hi,

    > We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
    > - arrive at Rome - spend 2 days

Not much!

    > - drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?) stay 3

Suggestion: drop Milano (overrated), replace with another city like
Florence, Siena or Pisa. Venice is a bit too far, I think, considering
you've only got a few days.

    > We would appreciate to see;
    > - Alpes!

Then you have to get further north than Milano!

Ralph

Deep Frayed Morgues

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:35:56 +0100, Ralph Holz <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Hi,
    >> We want to travel in Europe by Dec 23th to 31th. Here is the plan;
    >> - arrive at Rome - spend 2 days
    >Not much!
    >> - drive up to Alpes to a city like Milano ot Torino (any suggestion?) stay 3
    >Suggestion: drop Milano (overrated),

Who on earth rates Milan highly?
---
DFM