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Planned Belgian motorway tax

Old Jan 12th 2007, 11:42 pm
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J. Walker
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http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax

Sat 13/01/07 - The Dutch Transport Minister Karla Peijs (Christian
Democrat) has demanded an explanation from Belgium after plans were
announced to charge anyone wishing to use Belgian motorways 60 euros a
year.
Many thousands of Dutch tourists travel through Belgium on their way to
holiday destination in countries such as France and Spain.
Belgium's three regions are responsible for the country's motorways.

They reached agreement on how income from the new flat rate tax should
be split between them, making the way clear for it to be brought in
from next year.

>From then on motorists wishing to use the Belgian motorway network will
first have to fork out 60 euros for the privilege.

In return they will receive a special windscreen sticker to prove that
they have paid.

People resident in Belgium will get the money back thanks to a
reduction in road tax.

However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
discriminates against their motorists.

The Dutch Transport Minister has written to the Federal Transport
Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (Flemish Socialist) to ask for an
explanation.

Ms Van Brempt intends to hold talks with our neighbours to discuss
possible exemptions, for example for those living in municipalities
near to the Belgian border.
 
Old Jan 13th 2007, 12:08 am
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On 13 Jan 2007 04:42:49 -0800, "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:

>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>
>Sat 13/01/07 - The Dutch Transport Minister Karla Peijs (Christian
>Democrat) has demanded an explanation from Belgium after plans were
>announced to charge anyone wishing to use Belgian motorways 60 euros a
>year.
>Many thousands of Dutch tourists travel through Belgium on their way to
>holiday destination in countries such as France and Spain.
>Belgium's three regions are responsible for the country's motorways.

Haven;t they noticed all the Dutch trucks choking their motorways?
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Martin
 
Old Jan 13th 2007, 12:16 am
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J. Walker <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>
> Sat 13/01/07 - The Dutch Transport Minister Karla Peijs (Christian
> Democrat) has demanded an explanation from Belgium after plans were
> announced to charge anyone wishing to use Belgian motorways 60 euros a
> year.
> Many thousands of Dutch tourists travel through Belgium on their way to
> holiday destination in countries such as France and Spain.
> Belgium's three regions are responsible for the country's motorways.

God damn - they're closing off our escape routes!!

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Old Jan 13th 2007, 12:41 am
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"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected] oups.com:

> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>
> Sat 13/01/07 - The Dutch Transport Minister Karla Peijs (Christian
> Democrat) has demanded an explanation from Belgium after plans were
> announced to charge anyone wishing to use Belgian motorways 60 euros a
> year.
> Many thousands of Dutch tourists travel through Belgium on their way to
> holiday destination in countries such as France and Spain.
> Belgium's three regions are responsible for the country's motorways.
>
> They reached agreement on how income from the new flat rate tax should
> be split between them, making the way clear for it to be brought in
> from next year.

Split?? Why?

>>From then on motorists wishing to use the Belgian motorway network will
> first have to fork out 60 euros for the privilege.
>
> In return they will receive a special windscreen sticker to prove that
> they have paid.
>
> People resident in Belgium will get the money back thanks to a
> reduction in road tax.
>
> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
> discriminates against their motorists.

They use the motorways they should help pay! How is that discrimating???
They can leave their camper vans at home & take the train or plane.

> The Dutch Transport Minister has written to the Federal Transport
> Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (Flemish Socialist) to ask for an
> explanation.

Explanation: You use the motorway, you have to help pay to maintain it.
Don't want to pay? Don't use the motorway.

> Ms Van Brempt intends to hold talks with our neighbours to discuss
> possible exemptions, for example for those living in municipalities
> near to the Belgian border.

Why? Do these "neighbors" pay some other tax to Belgium that helps pay to
maintain the roads?
 
Old Jan 13th 2007, 12:57 am
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"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>

> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
> discriminates against their motorists.

This seems fair in principle to me.

The Belgian population pay for the construction of Belgium's
roads through their taxes, other national's do not.

It thus seems fair that some way of charging those other
nationals is perfectly reasonable.

(whether a fixed 60 Euro annual charge is a reasonable way
of charging is another matter)

tim
 
Old Jan 13th 2007, 12:58 am
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"mini Mini" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. 54...
> "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected] oups.com:
>
>> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>>
>> Sat 13/01/07 - The Dutch Transport Minister Karla Peijs (Christian
>> Democrat) has demanded an explanation from Belgium after plans were
>> announced to charge anyone wishing to use Belgian motorways 60 euros a
>> year.
>> Many thousands of Dutch tourists travel through Belgium on their way to
>> holiday destination in countries such as France and Spain.
>> Belgium's three regions are responsible for the country's motorways.
>>
>> They reached agreement on how income from the new flat rate tax should
>> be split between them, making the way clear for it to be brought in
>> from next year.
>
> Split?? Why?

Because the regions of Belgium hate one another.

They are always fighting with each other over trivia

tim
 
Old Jan 13th 2007, 1:47 am
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:57:20 -0000, "tim....." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] roups.com...
>> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>>
>
>> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
>> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
>> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
>> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
>> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
>> discriminates against their motorists.
>
>This seems fair in principle to me.
>
>The Belgian population pay for the construction of Belgium's
>roads through their taxes, other national's do not.
>
>It thus seems fair that some way of charging those other
>nationals is perfectly reasonable.
>
>(whether a fixed 60 Euro annual charge is a reasonable way
>of charging is another matter)

The Dutch won't make much if they charge Belgians to use their motorways.
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Old Jan 13th 2007, 1:48 am
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:58:42 -0000, "tim....." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"mini Mini" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] .54...
>> "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected] oups.com:
>>
>>> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>>>
>>> Sat 13/01/07 - The Dutch Transport Minister Karla Peijs (Christian
>>> Democrat) has demanded an explanation from Belgium after plans were
>>> announced to charge anyone wishing to use Belgian motorways 60 euros a
>>> year.
>>> Many thousands of Dutch tourists travel through Belgium on their way to
>>> holiday destination in countries such as France and Spain.
>>> Belgium's three regions are responsible for the country's motorways.
>>>
>>> They reached agreement on how income from the new flat rate tax should
>>> be split between them, making the way clear for it to be brought in
>>> from next year.
>>
>> Split?? Why?
>
>Because the regions of Belgium hate one another.
>
>They are always fighting with each other over trivia

Try politicians representing regions ...
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Old Jan 13th 2007, 2:25 am
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"tim....." <[email protected]> wrote in news:50s6s9F1hsrpaU1
@mid.individual.net:

>
> "mini Mini" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]. 54...
>> "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected] oups.com:
>>
>>> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>>>
>>> Sat 13/01/07 - The Dutch Transport Minister Karla Peijs (Christian
>>> Democrat) has demanded an explanation from Belgium after plans were
>>> announced to charge anyone wishing to use Belgian motorways 60 euros
a
>>> year.
>>> Many thousands of Dutch tourists travel through Belgium on their way
to
>>> holiday destination in countries such as France and Spain.
>>> Belgium's three regions are responsible for the country's motorways.
>>>
>>> They reached agreement on how income from the new flat rate tax
should
>>> be split between them, making the way clear for it to be brought in
>>> from next year.
>>
>> Split?? Why?
>
> Because the regions of Belgium hate one another.
>
> They are always fighting with each other over trivia

Oh. That's OK. I read it wrong & though the Dutch wanted a piece of the
pie!
 
Old Jan 13th 2007, 2:40 am
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:57:20 -0000, "tim....." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected] roups.com...
> >> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
> >>
> >
> >> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
> >> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
> >> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
> >> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
> >> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
> >> discriminates against their motorists.
> >
> >This seems fair in principle to me.
> >
> >The Belgian population pay for the construction of Belgium's
> >roads through their taxes, other national's do not.
> >
> >It thus seems fair that some way of charging those other
> >nationals is perfectly reasonable.
> >
> >(whether a fixed 60 Euro annual charge is a reasonable way
> >of charging is another matter)
>
> The Dutch won't make much if they charge Belgians to use their motorways.

The Dutch will probably just charge all foreigners for using their
crappy motorways :-(

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Old Jan 13th 2007, 2:51 am
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On Jan 13, 4:40 pm, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:57:20 -0000, "tim....." <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > >"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected] roups.com...
> > >>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>
> > >> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
> > >> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
> > >> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
> > >> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
> > >> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
> > >> discriminates against their motorists.
>
> > >This seems fair in principle to me.
>
> > >The Belgian population pay for the construction of Belgium's
> > >roads through their taxes, other national's do not.
>
> > >It thus seems fair that some way of charging those other
> > >nationals is perfectly reasonable.
>
> > >(whether a fixed 60 Euro annual charge is a reasonable way
> > >of charging is another matter)
>
> > The Dutch won't make much if they charge Belgians to use their motorways.The Dutch will probably just charge all foreigners for using their
> crappy motorways :-(
>
> B;
>

Austria and Switzerland already do
 
Old Jan 13th 2007, 2:59 am
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On 13 Jan 2007 16:25:35 +0100, mini Mini <[email protected]> wrote:

>"tim....." <[email protected]> wrote in news:50s6s9F1hsrpaU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>>
>> "mini Mini" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]. 54...
>>> "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected] oups.com:
>>>
>>>> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>>>>
>>>> Sat 13/01/07 - The Dutch Transport Minister Karla Peijs (Christian
>>>> Democrat) has demanded an explanation from Belgium after plans were
>>>> announced to charge anyone wishing to use Belgian motorways 60 euros
>a
>>>> year.
>>>> Many thousands of Dutch tourists travel through Belgium on their way
>to
>>>> holiday destination in countries such as France and Spain.
>>>> Belgium's three regions are responsible for the country's motorways.
>>>>
>>>> They reached agreement on how income from the new flat rate tax
>should
>>>> be split between them, making the way clear for it to be brought in
>>>> from next year.
>>>
>>> Split?? Why?
>>
>> Because the regions of Belgium hate one another.
>>
>> They are always fighting with each other over trivia
>
>Oh. That's OK. I read it wrong & though the Dutch wanted a piece of the
>pie!

The Dutch have more trucks than anybody else in Europe, many of them drive
through Belgium everyday delivering flowers etc.
A large number of Dutch drivers tow caravans, when they go on holiday. Many go
via Belgium, as France is the most popular holiday destination in NL. I had the
feeling it was the whole population, the one and only time we got up at 5am to
drive to France. 200 km of both lanes choked with cars towing overloaded
caravans is not a pretty site.

Belgian cars are rare in NL, except in the border areas.
Fuel is cheaper in Belgium, so some Dutch drive over the border to fill up,
850,000 Dutch have moved to the border areas of Belgium.
There are plans to automatically charge users of Dutch motorways in the near
future. Euro 60 is insignificant compared to the planned Dutch toll charges.
I'm surprised the Belgians have taken so long to impose a charge.
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Old Jan 13th 2007, 3:02 am
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:40:14 +0100, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:57:20 -0000, "tim....." <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected] roups.com...
>> >> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>> >>
>> >
>> >> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
>> >> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
>> >> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
>> >> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
>> >> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
>> >> discriminates against their motorists.
>> >
>> >This seems fair in principle to me.
>> >
>> >The Belgian population pay for the construction of Belgium's
>> >roads through their taxes, other national's do not.
>> >
>> >It thus seems fair that some way of charging those other
>> >nationals is perfectly reasonable.
>> >
>> >(whether a fixed 60 Euro annual charge is a reasonable way
>> >of charging is another matter)
>>
>> The Dutch won't make much if they charge Belgians to use their motorways.
>
>The Dutch will probably just charge all foreigners for using their
>crappy motorways :-(

I think that's the plan, but I am not sure how they plan to implement it.
How does inner London cope with non UK plates?

There are nowhere near as many Belgian cars in Holland, i.e. N and Z, as there
are Dutch cars in Belgium.
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Old Jan 13th 2007, 3:04 am
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On 13 Jan 2007 07:51:48 -0800, "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>On Jan 13, 4:40 pm, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
>> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:57:20 -0000, "tim....." <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > >news:[email protected] roups.com...
>> > >>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>>
>> > >> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
>> > >> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
>> > >> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
>> > >> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
>> > >> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
>> > >> discriminates against their motorists.
>>
>> > >This seems fair in principle to me.
>>
>> > >The Belgian population pay for the construction of Belgium's
>> > >roads through their taxes, other national's do not.
>>
>> > >It thus seems fair that some way of charging those other
>> > >nationals is perfectly reasonable.
>>
>> > >(whether a fixed 60 Euro annual charge is a reasonable way
>> > >of charging is another matter)
>>
>> > The Dutch won't make much if they charge Belgians to use their motorways.The Dutch will probably just charge all foreigners for using their
>> crappy motorways :-(
>>
>> B;
>>
>
>Austria and Switzerland already do

and France and Italy and ...
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Old Jan 13th 2007, 3:15 am
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On Jan 13, 5:04 pm, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 13 Jan 2007 07:51:48 -0800, "J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jan 13, 4:40 pm, [email protected] (Mister Bartlett) wrote:
> >> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:57:20 -0000, "tim....." <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > >"J. Walker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> > >news:[email protected] roups.com...
> >> > >>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070113_motorwaytax
>
> >> > >> However, foreign residents will have no such luck.
> >> > >> Dutch say that measure is "discriminatory"
> >> > >> A Dutch tourist enjoying his holiday
> >> > >> The Dutch have said that they intend to raise the issue with the
> >> > >> European Commission, as they feel that the new motorway tax
> >> > >> discriminates against their motorists.
>
> >> > >This seems fair in principle to me.
>
> >> > >The Belgian population pay for the construction of Belgium's
> >> > >roads through their taxes, other national's do not.
>
> >> > >It thus seems fair that some way of charging those other
> >> > >nationals is perfectly reasonable.
>
> >> > >(whether a fixed 60 Euro annual charge is a reasonable way
> >> > >of charging is another matter)
>
> >> > The Dutch won't make much if they charge Belgians to use their motorways.The Dutch will probably just charge all foreigners for using their
> >> crappy motorways :-(
>
> >> B;
>
> >Austria and Switzerland already doand France and Italy and ...
> --
>
> Martin

so just put it on petrol and relieve the non car owners of the tax
burden (and scrap the road tax disc)
 

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