Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mar 21st 2007, 11:19 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Hunt wrote:
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>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>>>> to work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>>> on and on and on...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
>>> blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
>>> so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>
>>>>
>>
>> How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
>
> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and confined
> my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't considered ferries,
> when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners usually don't operate
> close enough together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
Even you must have heard of the Titanic.
JohnT
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>
>
> Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>>>> to work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>>> on and on and on...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
>>> blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
>>> so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>
>>>>
>>
>> How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
>
> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and confined
> my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't considered ferries,
> when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners usually don't operate
> close enough together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
Even you must have heard of the Titanic.
JohnT
Mar 21st 2007, 11:50 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
JohnT wrote
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> Even you must have heard of the Titanic.
>
> JohnT
>
Wasn't that the movie with the kid that was on Growing Pains for some
episodes in '91-'92?
>
> Even you must have heard of the Titanic.
>
> JohnT
>
Wasn't that the movie with the kid that was on Growing Pains for some
episodes in '91-'92?
Mar 21st 2007, 1:00 pm
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol' - Pilot cleared of drink
Rubba Luva wrote:
> "I consider James to be a professional prepared to come to the defence
> of his country," he said in a written statement read to the jury. It
> takes a certain calibre of person to qualify. I have always found him
> to be a person of high morals and trustworthy. My opinion is, if James
> says he's telling the truth, he's telling the truth," Brigadier
> General Botchie said.
Yep, you can always trust the word of a US military officer. Heh.
--
Craig
> "I consider James to be a professional prepared to come to the defence
> of his country," he said in a written statement read to the jury. It
> takes a certain calibre of person to qualify. I have always found him
> to be a person of high morals and trustworthy. My opinion is, if James
> says he's telling the truth, he's telling the truth," Brigadier
> General Botchie said.
Yep, you can always trust the word of a US military officer. Heh.
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Mar 21st 2007, 3:05 pm
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol' - Pilot cleared of drink charge
>
>> "I consider James to be a professional prepared to come to the defence
>> of his country," he said in a written statement read to the jury. It
>> takes a certain calibre of person to qualify. I have always found him
>> to be a person of high morals and trustworthy. My opinion is, if James
>> says he's telling the truth, he's telling the truth," Brigadier
>> General Botchie said.
>
> Yep, you can always trust the word of a US military officer. Heh.
>
> --
> Craig
Exactly as much as we can trust your word.
>> "I consider James to be a professional prepared to come to the defence
>> of his country," he said in a written statement read to the jury. It
>> takes a certain calibre of person to qualify. I have always found him
>> to be a person of high morals and trustworthy. My opinion is, if James
>> says he's telling the truth, he's telling the truth," Brigadier
>> General Botchie said.
>
> Yep, you can always trust the word of a US military officer. Heh.
>
> --
> Craig
Exactly as much as we can trust your word.
Mar 21st 2007, 3:13 pm
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol' - Pilot cleared of drink
Craig Welch wrote:
> Rubba Luva wrote:
>
>> "I consider James to be a professional prepared to come to the defence
>> of his country," he said in a written statement read to the jury. It
>> takes a certain calibre of person to qualify. I have always found him
>> to be a person of high morals and trustworthy. My opinion is, if James
>> says he's telling the truth, he's telling the truth," Brigadier
>> General Botchie said.
>
>
> Yep, you can always trust the word of a US military officer. Heh.
>
Especially if the are selling weapons to the Contras, right Ollie?
> Rubba Luva wrote:
>
>> "I consider James to be a professional prepared to come to the defence
>> of his country," he said in a written statement read to the jury. It
>> takes a certain calibre of person to qualify. I have always found him
>> to be a person of high morals and trustworthy. My opinion is, if James
>> says he's telling the truth, he's telling the truth," Brigadier
>> General Botchie said.
>
>
> Yep, you can always trust the word of a US military officer. Heh.
>
Especially if the are selling weapons to the Contras, right Ollie?
Mar 21st 2007, 3:35 pm
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
On 3/21/2007 3:40 PM Mike Hunt jumped down, turned around, and wrote:
>> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and
>> confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't
>> considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". )
>
> Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
Not to mention the ferries that operate out of San Francisco.
Apparently, someone's idea of "the Western U.S." is confined to a
rather small part of it. How unsurprising.
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dgs
>> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and
>> confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't
>> considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". )
>
> Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
Not to mention the ferries that operate out of San Francisco.
Apparently, someone's idea of "the Western U.S." is confined to a
rather small part of it. How unsurprising.
--
dgs
Mar 21st 2007, 4:14 pm
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
d.g.s. wrote:
> On 3/21/2007 3:40 PM Mike Hunt jumped down, turned around, and wrote:
>
>>> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and
>>> confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't
>>> considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". )
>>
>>
>> Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
>
>
> Not to mention the ferries that operate out of San Francisco.
>
> Apparently, someone's idea of "the Western U.S." is confined to a
> rather small part of it. How unsurprising.
The Seattle ferries are bigger and also carry cars
The SF Bay Area Ferries are smaller than the ones I have taken out of
Seattle.
> On 3/21/2007 3:40 PM Mike Hunt jumped down, turned around, and wrote:
>
>>> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and
>>> confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't
>>> considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". )
>>
>>
>> Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
>
>
> Not to mention the ferries that operate out of San Francisco.
>
> Apparently, someone's idea of "the Western U.S." is confined to a
> rather small part of it. How unsurprising.
The Seattle ferries are bigger and also carry cars
The SF Bay Area Ferries are smaller than the ones I have taken out of
Seattle.
Mar 21st 2007, 10:13 pm
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol' - Pilot cleared of drink
DevilsPGD wrote:
> In message <[email protected]> Mike Hunt
> <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>> It's true that you cannot be certain at the airport, as you don't know why he
>>> came to the airport and this particular pilot's explanation is plausible.
>>>
>> I wonder if he drove to the airport
>>
>> I can see. He is too drunk to fly, but didn't just call in.
>> Instead, he was going through security?
>> Isn't there someone he could have told without going through security?
>
> Perhaps he was sufficiently drunk that such an action never occurred to
> him?
>
> Heck, did they mention where he was drinking? (I haven't read the
> story, actually) -- If not, perhaps he was drinking at the airport?
No, he was drinking in Manchester city centre, not at the airport.
--
Stephen
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MINION: Flattering drawstring pants?
> In message <[email protected]> Mike Hunt
> <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>> It's true that you cannot be certain at the airport, as you don't know why he
>>> came to the airport and this particular pilot's explanation is plausible.
>>>
>> I wonder if he drove to the airport
>>
>> I can see. He is too drunk to fly, but didn't just call in.
>> Instead, he was going through security?
>> Isn't there someone he could have told without going through security?
>
> Perhaps he was sufficiently drunk that such an action never occurred to
> him?
>
> Heck, did they mention where he was drinking? (I haven't read the
> story, actually) -- If not, perhaps he was drinking at the airport?
No, he was drinking in Manchester city centre, not at the airport.
--
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BEN: You know why I wanted to become a doctor?
MINION: Flattering drawstring pants?
Mar 22nd 2007, 3:57 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol' - Pilot cleared of drink charge
Stephen Farrow a �crit :
> DevilsPGD wrote:
> > In message <[email protected]> Mike Hunt
> > <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
> >
> >> Mxsmanic wrote:
> >>> It's true that you cannot be certain at the airport, as you don't know why he
> >>> came to the airport and this particular pilot's explanation is plausible.
> >>>
> >> I wonder if he drove to the airport
> >>
> >> I can see. He is too drunk to fly, but didn't just call in.
> >> Instead, he was going through security?
> >> Isn't there someone he could have told without going through security?
> >
> > Perhaps he was sufficiently drunk that such an action never occurred to
> > him?
> >
> > Heck, did they mention where he was drinking? (I haven't read the
> > story, actually) -- If not, perhaps he was drinking at the airport?
>
> No, he was drinking in Manchester city centre, not at the airport.
>
> --
>
> Stephen
>
> BEN: You know why I wanted to become a doctor?
> MINION: Flattering drawstring pants?
I wonder how many drunken pilots they had in the RAF in the 40's
against the Luftwaffe.
After all Winston Churchill was an alcoholic and Adolf Hitler only
drank minera water.
As for the USAF, no need to ask, all the French Civilians in Normandy
can tell you
(and quite a few Canadians Regiments). They certainly flew and bombed
AS IF they were drunken .
They were too high indeed to be checked .
> DevilsPGD wrote:
> > In message <[email protected]> Mike Hunt
> > <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
> >
> >> Mxsmanic wrote:
> >>> It's true that you cannot be certain at the airport, as you don't know why he
> >>> came to the airport and this particular pilot's explanation is plausible.
> >>>
> >> I wonder if he drove to the airport
> >>
> >> I can see. He is too drunk to fly, but didn't just call in.
> >> Instead, he was going through security?
> >> Isn't there someone he could have told without going through security?
> >
> > Perhaps he was sufficiently drunk that such an action never occurred to
> > him?
> >
> > Heck, did they mention where he was drinking? (I haven't read the
> > story, actually) -- If not, perhaps he was drinking at the airport?
>
> No, he was drinking in Manchester city centre, not at the airport.
>
> --
>
> Stephen
>
> BEN: You know why I wanted to become a doctor?
> MINION: Flattering drawstring pants?
I wonder how many drunken pilots they had in the RAF in the 40's
against the Luftwaffe.
After all Winston Churchill was an alcoholic and Adolf Hitler only
drank minera water.
As for the USAF, no need to ask, all the French Civilians in Normandy
can tell you
(and quite a few Canadians Regiments). They certainly flew and bombed
AS IF they were drunken .
They were too high indeed to be checked .
Mar 22nd 2007, 11:53 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mike Hunt wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>
>> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and
>> confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't
>> considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners
>> usually don't operate close enough together to constitute a dnager, do
>> they?)
>
>
> Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
Granted - never been further northwest than San Francisco,
so I wouldn't know.
> Ocean liners often operate close to other ships. I take it you've never
> seen one near a port.
Only when already docked. (However, I think there are more
people involved in the voyage of an ocean liner than a
single pilot with one assitant in the cockpit.)
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>
>> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and
>> confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't
>> considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners
>> usually don't operate close enough together to constitute a dnager, do
>> they?)
>
>
> Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
Granted - never been further northwest than San Francisco,
so I wouldn't know.
> Ocean liners often operate close to other ships. I take it you've never
> seen one near a port.
Only when already docked. (However, I think there are more
people involved in the voyage of an ocean liner than a
single pilot with one assitant in the cockpit.)
Mar 22nd 2007, 11:53 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mike Hunt wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to
>>>> their blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually
>>>> not QUITE so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall
>>> makes
>>> little difference.
>>>
>>
>> If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!
>
>
> But you could then get to travel on BA's FC.
Past caring about THAT, too! ;-)
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to
>>>> their blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually
>>>> not QUITE so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall
>>> makes
>>> little difference.
>>>
>>
>> If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!
>
>
> But you could then get to travel on BA's FC.
Past caring about THAT, too! ;-)
Mar 22nd 2007, 11:55 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mxsmanic wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>"A single swallow does not make a spring"! (Or a "drunken
>>pilot", either.)
>
>
> Fine. You can fly with a pilot who has a recreational, mood-altering,
> performance-degrading drug in his blood. I'll pass.
Well, if one ml. can affect YOUR behaviour, I certainly
wouldn't want to fly with YOU as pilot! ;-)
>
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>"A single swallow does not make a spring"! (Or a "drunken
>>pilot", either.)
>
>
> Fine. You can fly with a pilot who has a recreational, mood-altering,
> performance-degrading drug in his blood. I'll pass.
Well, if one ml. can affect YOUR behaviour, I certainly
wouldn't want to fly with YOU as pilot! ;-)
>
Mar 22nd 2007, 11:57 am
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JohnT wrote:
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>Mike Hunt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>>>>>to work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>>>>on and on and on...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
>>>>blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
>>>>so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
>>
>>No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and confined
>>my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't considered ferries,
>>when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners usually don't operate
>>close enough together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
>
>
> Even you must have heard of the Titanic.
Were the operators of the Titanic drunk? I thought it was
just that they gave too much credence to the claims it was
"unsinkable" and forgot to post an iceberg watch.
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>Mike Hunt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>>>>>to work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>>>>on and on and on...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
>>>>blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
>>>>so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
>>
>>No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and confined
>>my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't considered ferries,
>>when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners usually don't operate
>>close enough together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
>
>
> Even you must have heard of the Titanic.
Were the operators of the Titanic drunk? I thought it was
just that they gave too much credence to the claims it was
"unsinkable" and forgot to post an iceberg watch.
Mar 22nd 2007, 6:57 pm
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> Well, if one ml. can affect YOUR behaviour, I certainly
> wouldn't want to fly with YOU as pilot! ;-)
I cannot prove that it wouldn't affect my behavior, therefore I will not drink
and fly, period.
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> Well, if one ml. can affect YOUR behaviour, I certainly
> wouldn't want to fly with YOU as pilot! ;-)
I cannot prove that it wouldn't affect my behavior, therefore I will not drink
and fly, period.
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Mar 22nd 2007, 6:58 pm
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> Were the operators of the Titanic drunk?
No, but the crews (including captains) of some other large ships involved in
accidents have been drunk, so it is a serious problem.
> I thought it was
> just that they gave too much credence to the claims it was
> "unsinkable" and forgot to post an iceberg watch.
A number of factors converged in the _Titanic_ incident.
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> Were the operators of the Titanic drunk?
No, but the crews (including captains) of some other large ships involved in
accidents have been drunk, so it is a serious problem.
> I thought it was
> just that they gave too much credence to the claims it was
> "unsinkable" and forgot to post an iceberg watch.
A number of factors converged in the _Titanic_ incident.
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