Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mar 21st 2007, 6:10 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol' - Pilot cleared of drink charge
In message <[email protected]> Mike Hunt
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>Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> It's true that you cannot be certain at the airport, as you don't know why he
>> came to the airport and this particular pilot's explanation is plausible.
>>
>
>I wonder if he drove to the airport
>
>I can see. He is too drunk to fly, but didn't just call in.
>Instead, he was going through security?
>Isn't there someone he could have told without going through security?
Perhaps he was sufficiently drunk that such an action never occurred to
him?
Heck, did they mention where he was drinking? (I haven't read the
story, actually) -- If not, perhaps he was drinking at the airport?
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<postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> It's true that you cannot be certain at the airport, as you don't know why he
>> came to the airport and this particular pilot's explanation is plausible.
>>
>
>I wonder if he drove to the airport
>
>I can see. He is too drunk to fly, but didn't just call in.
>Instead, he was going through security?
>Isn't there someone he could have told without going through security?
Perhaps he was sufficiently drunk that such an action never occurred to
him?
Heck, did they mention where he was drinking? (I haven't read the
story, actually) -- If not, perhaps he was drinking at the airport?
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Mar 21st 2007, 9:14 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
[email protected] wrote:
> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>to work.
>
>
> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
> on and on and on...
That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
case of airline pilots!
>
> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>to work.
>
>
> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
> on and on and on...
That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
case of airline pilots!
>
Mar 21st 2007, 9:17 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>> to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>> on and on and on...
>
>
> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
> blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
> so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>
>>
How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>> to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>> on and on and on...
>
>
> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
> blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
> so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>
>>
How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
Mar 21st 2007, 9:18 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mxsmanic wrote:
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
>>Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>on and on and on...
>
>
> Only after they are subjected to the same strict medical exams as pilots.
>
> It makes little sense to impose severe restrictions on the health of pilots as
> a condition of having a license if nothing is done to prevent them from flying
> drunk. Even the healthiest pilot will be instantly incapacitated if he drinks
> alcohol.
Define "instantly incapacitated", Mixi! It's not
neccessarily an either/or situation (although I'd prefer a
pilot who did not indulge immediately before - or during -
flight).
>
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
>>Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>on and on and on...
>
>
> Only after they are subjected to the same strict medical exams as pilots.
>
> It makes little sense to impose severe restrictions on the health of pilots as
> a condition of having a license if nothing is done to prevent them from flying
> drunk. Even the healthiest pilot will be instantly incapacitated if he drinks
> alcohol.
Define "instantly incapacitated", Mixi! It's not
neccessarily an either/or situation (although I'd prefer a
pilot who did not indulge immediately before - or during -
flight).
>
Mar 21st 2007, 9:28 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> Define "instantly incapacitated", Mixi!
Blood alcohol above zero.
> It's not neccessarily an either/or situation (although I'd prefer a
> pilot who did not indulge immediately before - or during -
> flight).
You can fly with a drunken pilot if you wish. I'll pass. In fact, I prefer
to avoid the company of people who are taking recreational drugs generally.
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> Define "instantly incapacitated", Mixi!
Blood alcohol above zero.
> It's not neccessarily an either/or situation (although I'd prefer a
> pilot who did not indulge immediately before - or during -
> flight).
You can fly with a drunken pilot if you wish. I'll pass. In fact, I prefer
to avoid the company of people who are taking recreational drugs generally.
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Mar 21st 2007, 9:28 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
> due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
> catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
> case of airline pilots!
If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
little difference.
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> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
> due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
> catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
> case of airline pilots!
If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
little difference.
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Mar 21st 2007, 9:29 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mike Hunt writes:
> How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
Or a cruise ship.
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> How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
Or a cruise ship.
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Mar 21st 2007, 9:54 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Make credence recognised that on Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:28:41 +0100,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> has scripted:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
>> due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
>> catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
>> case of airline pilots!
>
>If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
>little difference.
So subject golf caddies to the same test, after all, people have died
after a poor game.
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> has scripted:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
>> due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
>> catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
>> case of airline pilots!
>
>If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
>little difference.
So subject golf caddies to the same test, after all, people have died
after a poor game.
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Mar 21st 2007, 9:55 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Make credence recognised that on Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:28:12 +0100,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> has scripted:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>> Define "instantly incapacitated", Mixi!
>
>Blood alcohol above zero.
>
>> It's not neccessarily an either/or situation (although I'd prefer a
>> pilot who did not indulge immediately before - or during -
>> flight).
>
>You can fly with a drunken pilot if you wish. I'll pass. In fact, I prefer
>to avoid the company of people who are taking recreational drugs generally.
You avoid all company, so don't pretend you discriminate on that
basis.
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> has scripted:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>> Define "instantly incapacitated", Mixi!
>
>Blood alcohol above zero.
>
>> It's not neccessarily an either/or situation (although I'd prefer a
>> pilot who did not indulge immediately before - or during -
>> flight).
>
>You can fly with a drunken pilot if you wish. I'll pass. In fact, I prefer
>to avoid the company of people who are taking recreational drugs generally.
You avoid all company, so don't pretend you discriminate on that
basis.
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Mar 21st 2007, 10:06 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mike Hunt wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>>> to work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>> on and on and on...
>>
>>
>>
>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
>> blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
>> so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>
>>>
>
> How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life,
and confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I
hadn't considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft".
(And ocean liners usually don't operate close enough
together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 20, 3:29 am, "Bucky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> all pilots should be given a breathalyzer test before they are allowed
>>>> to work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then so should all bus drivers, cab drivers, watercraft operators and
>>> on and on and on...
>>
>>
>>
>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to their
>> blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually not QUITE
>> so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>
>>>
>
> How many people do you think a ferry can carry?
No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life,
and confined my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I
hadn't considered ferries, when thinking of "watercraft".
(And ocean liners usually don't operate close enough
together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
Mar 21st 2007, 10:08 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mxsmanic wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>Define "instantly incapacitated", Mixi!
>
>
> Blood alcohol above zero.
>
>
>>It's not neccessarily an either/or situation (although I'd prefer a
>>pilot who did not indulge immediately before - or during -
>>flight).
>
>
> You can fly with a drunken pilot if you wish. I'll pass. In fact, I prefer
> to avoid the company of people who are taking recreational drugs generally.
"A single swallow does not make a spring"! (Or a "drunken
pilot", either.)
>
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>Define "instantly incapacitated", Mixi!
>
>
> Blood alcohol above zero.
>
>
>>It's not neccessarily an either/or situation (although I'd prefer a
>>pilot who did not indulge immediately before - or during -
>>flight).
>
>
> You can fly with a drunken pilot if you wish. I'll pass. In fact, I prefer
> to avoid the company of people who are taking recreational drugs generally.
"A single swallow does not make a spring"! (Or a "drunken
pilot", either.)
>
Mar 21st 2007, 10:09 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
Mxsmanic wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
>>due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
>>catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
>>case of airline pilots!
>
>
> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
> little difference.
>
If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments
>>due to their blood alcohol levels, the resultant
>>catastrophes are usually not QUITE so spectacular as in the
>>case of airline pilots!
>
>
> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
> little difference.
>
If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!
Mar 21st 2007, 10:40 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and confined
> my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't considered
> ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners usually don't
> operate close enough together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
Ocean liners often operate close to other ships. I take it you've never
seen one near a port.
>
> No idea. Having lived in the Western U.S. most of my life, and confined
> my European travel to airplanes and taxicab, I hadn't considered
> ferries, when thinking of "watercraft". (And ocean liners usually don't
> operate close enough together to constitute a dnager, do they?)
Seattle is in the Western US and has some pretty big ferries.
Ocean liners often operate close to other ships. I take it you've never
seen one near a port.
Mar 21st 2007, 10:41 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>>
>>
>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to
>>> their blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually
>>> not QUITE so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
>> little difference.
>>
>
> If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!
But you could then get to travel on BA's FC.
>
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>>
>>
>>> That's probably true - however, if they make misjudgments due to
>>> their blood alcohol levels, the resultant catastrophes are usually
>>> not QUITE so spectacular as in the case of airline pilots!
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're one of the dead, the magnitude of the catastrophe overall makes
>> little difference.
>>
>
> If you're one of the dead, IMO you're past CARING!
But you could then get to travel on BA's FC.
Mar 21st 2007, 11:15 am
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Re: Pilot 'smelled strongly of alcohol'
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> "A single swallow does not make a spring"! (Or a "drunken
> pilot", either.)
Fine. You can fly with a pilot who has a recreational, mood-altering,
performance-degrading drug in his blood. I'll pass.
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> "A single swallow does not make a spring"! (Or a "drunken
> pilot", either.)
Fine. You can fly with a pilot who has a recreational, mood-altering,
performance-degrading drug in his blood. I'll pass.
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