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"/<rist" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    > > 127.0.0.1 <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:41:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    > >>>I'm always fascinated how capitalists are regarded as 'businessmen',
    > >>>whilst scammers are regarded as crooks

    > >>that's because you're a clueless fool

    > >>>... when in reality, they're both
    > >>>just as twisted and dishonest.

    > >>uh huh, someone stealing a credit card and using it to scam tourists
    > >>buying train tickets is hardly a capitalist, fool

    > > <sniff>
    > >
    > > Can someone smell burning ?

    > Yes. Your pants are on fire...

I was in fact thinking of the friction burns on the appropriately-named
'loopback''s right hand.

S Viemeister

Joe Gradeless wrote:
    >
    > A nice bit of technology I found in the French restaurants is a mobile
    > wireless card reader into which the waiter places your card. The
    > verifiaction and printing of the transaction slip takes place at your table.
    > It saves staff time and means your card does not disappear from view.
    >
The dining car on the GNER trains from London to Scotland uses those, too.
It's a good idea - I wish their use was more widespread.

Darby Jo

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:14:35 -0500, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:

    >my husband has a chip in his US American Express card and the ticket
    >machines at the RER station at CDG would not take it -- although it
    >worked for locals

That's because the American chips are not compatible with the
French chips.

Darby Jo

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jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
    > David Horne wrote:
    > > Tam <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>On 3/8/04 13:08, in article [email protected],
    > >>"jcoulter" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >>>So why not use your card to get the tickets? even if it was a scam, the
    > >>>perp showed you a better way.

    > >>I think he was telling the truth: you have to have chip + PIN to use the
    > >>French ticket machines and foreign cards won't work in that case.

    > > I have a chip + PIN on my UK credit card, and I couldn't use the ticket
    > > machines there either. I'm pretty sure I read here a while back that
    > > they only accept French-issued cards.

    > my husband has a chip in his US American Express card and the ticket
    > machines at the RER station at CDG would not take it -- although it
    > worked for locals -- unfortunately the machines also inexlicably don't
    > take bills -- so you have to have a pocket full of change to operate
    > them which is something most newly arrived tourists don't yet have.

he needs to get it converted to a freedom chip. It'll work then ...

Poldy

In article
<1ghyols.1bo7b2p1vcmn4aN%this_address_is_for_spam@ yahoo.co.uk>,
[email protected] (David Horne) wrote:

    > Tam <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > On 3/8/04 13:08, in article [email protected],
    > > "jcoulter" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > So why not use your card to get the tickets? even if it was a scam, the
    > > > perp showed you a better way.
    > >
    > > I think he was telling the truth: you have to have chip + PIN to use the
    > > French ticket machines and foreign cards won't work in that case.
    >
    > I have a chip + PIN on my UK credit card, and I couldn't use the ticket
    > machines there either. I'm pretty sure I read here a while back that
    > they only accept French-issued cards.
    >

Wait I missed something. Are they saying the prices from this machine
was better than say getting a Carte Orange?

Tim

"Joe Gradeless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Tam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:BD359A4E.1EA01%[email protected]...
    > > On 3/8/04 13:08, in article [email protected],
    > > "jcoulter" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > So why not use your card to get the tickets? even if it was a scam,
the
    > > > perp showed you a better way.
    > >
    > > I think he was telling the truth: you have to have chip + PIN to use the
    > > French ticket machines and foreign cards won't work in that case.
    > >
    > My UK credit card has a chip and PIN but I have only been required to use
    > the PIN once is the 3 months I have had the card - all other times
including
    > France I have used a signature.
    > I think the reason is that PIN cards are only just now being introduced in
    > the UK so many businesses will not have the facility to read PIN cards. In
    > France they assume that my card is of the signature type.
    > A nice bit of technology I found in the French restaurants is a mobile
    > wireless card reader into which the waiter places your card. The
    > verifiaction and printing of the transaction slip takes place at your
table.
    > It saves staff time and means your card does not disappear from view.
    > Jo

Tim

"Joe Gradeless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Tam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:BD359A4E.1EA01%[email protected]...
    > > On 3/8/04 13:08, in article [email protected],
    > > "jcoulter" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > So why not use your card to get the tickets? even if it was a scam,
the
    > > > perp showed you a better way.
    > >
    > > I think he was telling the truth: you have to have chip + PIN to use the
    > > French ticket machines and foreign cards won't work in that case.
    > >
    > My UK credit card has a chip and PIN but I have only been required to use
    > the PIN once is the 3 months I have had the card - all other times
including
    > France I have used a signature.
    > I think the reason is that PIN cards are only just now being introduced in
    > the UK so many businesses will not have the facility to read PIN cards. In
    > France they assume that my card is of the signature type.

The reason is that the french C+P system despite being the first
is not compatable with the new international standard that the
rest of the world is introducing. A UK C+P card will not
work an old french C+P machine, of course, as the frence change
over to the international standard there will be machines where
UK cards will work in the future

tim

Paul & Suzie Beckwith

S Viemeister wrote:

    > Joe Gradeless wrote:
    >
    >>A nice bit of technology I found in the French restaurants is a mobile
    >>wireless card reader into which the waiter places your card. The
    >>verifiaction and printing of the transaction slip takes place at your table.
    >>It saves staff time and means your card does not disappear from view.
    >
    > The dining car on the GNER trains from London to Scotland uses those, too.
    > It's a good idea - I wish their use was more widespread.
    >
Frankie & Benny's restaurant in Southend, Essex uses these - took two
girlfriends out for a meal yesterday and was amazed when this tiny
little machine was plonked down next to me so I could pay the bill!

Suzie B
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Mxsmanic

Joe Gradeless writes:

    > I can buy up to £40 (60 euros) worth of petrol at my local supermarket using
    > my credit card and no PIN or signature.

So can anyone who steals your card. That's why crooks like non-French
credit cards.

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Mxsmanic

Herbie Jurvanen writes:

    > Well, he was a scammer, so of course he was lying. The machines (at least
    > the "scroll wheel" ones) _do_ accept non-French credit cards, as another
    > poster here has already noted. In fact, I have _only_ used non-French,
    > non-chip, striped credit cards in those machines and I have never had any
    > problems.

Which machines? The usual ticket machines in Métro stations have no
provision for reading magnetic stripes that I can see.

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Mike Jacoubowsky writes:

    > I must be missing something here; I've bought many Metro tickets using my
    > US-based credit card, via the machines in the Metro (the funny ones with the
    > "scroll wheel" and a large button to the left and right of it for "accept"
    > and "annul" or something like that).

Does the card contain a chip?

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Paul & Suzie Beckwith writes:

    > Frankie & Benny's restaurant in Southend, Essex uses these - took two
    > girlfriends out for a meal yesterday and was amazed when this tiny
    > little machine was plonked down next to me so I could pay the bill!

I remember it being pretty cool over a decade ago when it was first used
in France, too. Of course, now, it's no more amazing than a CD.

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Stanislas writes:

    > It may seem strange to you, but the RATP has neither time nor "energy"
    > to sue these people for selling counterfeited tickets...

They normally would not _sue_ in any case.

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Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles

    > > I must be missing something here; I've bought many Metro tickets using
my
    > > US-based credit card, via the machines in the Metro (the funny ones with
the
    > > "scroll wheel" and a large button to the left and right of it for
"accept"
    > > and "annul" or something like that).
    > Does the card contain a chip?

No chip. Dumb card to match the user.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

Mxsmanic

Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles writes:

    > No chip. Dumb card to match the user.

How does the machine read it?

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