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Paris to Rome/Athens by car?

Old Sep 22nd 2004, 5:56 pm
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Ts
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Default Paris to Rome/Athens by car?

We plan to fly to London from the US to sightsee around the UK for a few
days, then take the Eurostar to Paris, pick up a rental car and tour around
Europe for about 3 or 4 weeks with the end goal of spending the last few
days of the trip in Greece.
The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
open jaw flight.
The other option is to keep the car, take it with us to Greece on ferries
and drive it back to Paris to the original pick up point.
How many hours of travel by car is the journey from Paris to Rome or Paris
to Athens (including the ferry trip to Greece and the travel time from the
port to Athens?)
 
Old Sep 22nd 2004, 9:17 pm
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nitram
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:56:17 -0700, "TS" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >We plan to fly to London from the US to sightsee around the UK for a few
    >days, then take the Eurostar to Paris, pick up a rental car and tour around
    >Europe for about 3 or 4 weeks with the end goal of spending the last few
    >days of the trip in Greece.
    >The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
    >considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
    >days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
    >maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
    >open jaw flight.
    >The other option is to keep the car, take it with us to Greece on ferries
    >and drive it back to Paris to the original pick up point.
    >How many hours of travel by car is the journey from Paris to Rome or Paris
    >to Athens (including the ferry trip to Greece and the travel time from the
    >port to Athens?)

Drop the car off in Venice and take a Minoan Line/Strintzis ferry to
Patras. From Patras take a train to Athens. The ferry departs late
afternoon and arrives two mornings later around 8 a.m.
 
Old Sep 22nd 2004, 11:13 pm
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TS wrote:
    > We plan to fly to London from the US to sightsee around the UK for a few
    > days, then take the Eurostar to Paris, pick up a rental car and tour around
    > Europe for about 3 or 4 weeks with the end goal of spending the last few
    > days of the trip in Greece.
    > The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
    > considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
    > days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
    > maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
    > open jaw flight.
    > The other option is to keep the car, take it with us to Greece on ferries
    > and drive it back to Paris to the original pick up point.
    > How many hours of travel by car is the journey from Paris to Rome or Paris
    > to Athens (including the ferry trip to Greece and the travel time from the
    > port to Athens?)
    >
    >
You're probably looking at 15 hours road time from Paris to Rome. Rome
to Athens has a 16 hour boat ride from Bari to Patras, plus maybe 6
hours driving in Italy and 3 hours driving in Greece.

The expressways in all countries are excellent. Have good maps to avoid
getting lost.

John Bermont
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Old Sep 22nd 2004, 11:30 pm
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:13:42 GMT, John Bermont
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >TS wrote:
    >> We plan to fly to London from the US to sightsee around the UK for a few
    >> days, then take the Eurostar to Paris, pick up a rental car and tour around
    >> Europe for about 3 or 4 weeks with the end goal of spending the last few
    >> days of the trip in Greece.
    >> The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
    >> considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
    >> days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
    >> maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
    >> open jaw flight.
    >> The other option is to keep the car, take it with us to Greece on ferries
    >> and drive it back to Paris to the original pick up point.
    >> How many hours of travel by car is the journey from Paris to Rome or Paris
    >> to Athens (including the ferry trip to Greece and the travel time from the
    >> port to Athens?)
    >>
    >>
    >You're probably looking at 15 hours road time from Paris to Rome. Rome
    >to Athens has a 16 hour boat ride from Bari to Patras, plus maybe 6
    >hours driving in Italy and 3 hours driving in Greece.
    >The expressways in all countries are excellent. Have good maps to avoid
    >getting lost.

I've never heard anybody describe Greek expressways/motorways as
excellent before. They are rubbish.
 
Old Sep 23rd 2004, 1:34 am
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:30:06 +0200, [email protected] wrote:



    >I've never heard anybody describe Greek expressways/motorways as
    >excellent before. They are rubbish.

Try visiting again - they are not as bad as they once were.

Stelios


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Old Sep 23rd 2004, 1:38 am
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:34:08 +0300, Stelios Zacharias
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:30:06 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>I've never heard anybody describe Greek expressways/motorways as
    >>excellent before. They are rubbish.
    >Try visiting again - they are not as bad as they once were.

I admit that my experience is from 7 years ago, BUT if the hard
shoulder still doubles as an intermittent inside lane, then it is not
a motorway in my opinion. I do endorse that 7 years ago they were much
improved on 20 years ago :-)
 
Old Sep 23rd 2004, 3:15 am
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Default Re: Paris to Rome/Athens by car?

Originally Posted by Ts
We plan to fly to London from the US to sightsee around the UK for a few
days, then take the Eurostar to Paris, pick up a rental car and tour around
Europe for about 3 or 4 weeks with the end goal of spending the last few
days of the trip in Greece.
The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
open jaw flight.
The other option is to keep the car, take it with us to Greece on ferries
and drive it back to Paris to the original pick up point.
How many hours of travel by car is the journey from Paris to Rome or Paris
to Athens (including the ferry trip to Greece and the travel time from the
port to Athens?)


Please note most car rental companies will not allow a rental car to go to the Greek Islands.
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Old Sep 23rd 2004, 3:26 am
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"TS" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > We plan to fly to London from the US to sightsee around the UK for a few
    > days, then take the Eurostar to Paris, pick up a rental car and tour around
    > Europe for about 3 or 4 weeks with the end goal of spending the last few
    > days of the trip in Greece.
    > The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
    > considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
    > days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
    > maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
    > open jaw flight.
    > The other option is to keep the car, take it with us to Greece on ferries
    > and drive it back to Paris to the original pick up point.
    > How many hours of travel by car is the journey from Paris to Rome or Paris
    > to Athens (including the ferry trip to Greece and the travel time from the
    > port to Athens?)

I would strongly recommend not renting a car, especially if your
itinerary focuses on major cities.

Auto rentals and gasoline are both really expensive in Europe, parking
and traffic are a nightmare in most major European cities, and you'll
have to figure out road signs in seven languages and which exits to
take in large sprawling cities with neighborhood names you've never
heard of. By contrast, Europe's train system is fast, reasonably
priced (consider railpasses and the like), and goes almost everywhere
of interest. If you want to explore a specific small area with
limited public transport, such as the Loire Valley in France, then
rent a car when you get there and drop if off when you leave that
region, but you don't want to have a car in any major European city.
 
Old Sep 23rd 2004, 8:06 am
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John Bermont <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > TS wrote:
    > > We plan to fly to London from the US to sightsee around the UK for a few
    > > days, then take the Eurostar to Paris, pick up a rental car and tour around
    > > Europe for about 3 or 4 weeks with the end goal of spending the last few
    > > days of the trip in Greece.
    > > The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
    > > considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
    > > days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
    > > maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
    > > open jaw flight.
    > > The other option is to keep the car, take it with us to Greece on ferries
    > > and drive it back to Paris to the original pick up point.
    > > How many hours of travel by car is the journey from Paris to Rome or Paris
    > > to Athens (including the ferry trip to Greece and the travel time from the
    > > port to Athens?)
    > >
    > >
    > You're probably looking at 15 hours road time from Paris to Rome. Rome
    > to Athens has a 16 hour boat ride from Bari to Patras, plus maybe 6
    > hours driving in Italy and 3 hours driving in Greece.
    >
    > The expressways in all countries are excellent. Have good maps to avoid
    > getting lost.
    >
    > John Bermont


Hmm. So 6 hours driving from Rome to Bari, 16 hour boat ride and 3
hour drive from Patras to Athens?
What does it cost for per person and for the car on the 16 hour boat
ride?
What is there to do on the ferry for 16 hours? Are the ferries
well-equipped or will it be a boring nightmare?

Maybe dropping the car off in Rome, then using trains for transport to
and around the southern sections of Italy would be more efficient.
From there we could fly to Athens in an hour?
Are there airports in the southern part of Italy with non-stop service
to Athens or would we have to backtrack to Rome to catch a plane and
what should we expect to pay for each ticket on a flight to Athens
from that area?
 
Old Sep 23rd 2004, 12:28 pm
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"Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
    > I would strongly recommend not renting a car, especially if your
    > itinerary focuses on major cities.
    > Auto rentals and gasoline are both really expensive in Europe, parking
    > and traffic are a nightmare in most major European cities, and you'll
    > have to figure out road signs in seven languages and which exits to
    > take in large sprawling cities with neighborhood names you've never
    > heard of. By contrast, Europe's train system is fast, reasonably
    > priced (consider railpasses and the like), and goes almost everywhere
    > of interest. If you want to explore a specific small area with
    > limited public transport, such as the Loire Valley in France, then
    > rent a car when you get there and drop if off when you leave that
    > region, but you don't want to have a car in any major European city.

We will visit large cities, but we will not "focus" on them. We want
additional flexibility to go where we want when we want and will be
splitting the rental, fuel and parking costs. We will not pick up the car
to start the rental until we are done with London and Paris.
 
Old Sep 23rd 2004, 5:27 pm
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Carole Allen
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If you are dropping the car in Rome why not just fly to Athens? You
won't want a car in Athens, and if you want to rent one on each island
they are cheap on a daily rate.

The Superfast ferry is aout 16 hours from Bari, 19 from Ancona...it is
a giant ship... lots of lounge/bars, a cafeteria, a "white tablecoth"
more expensive restaurant, also cabins (sleepers) are available. My
recollection in 2001 was that an overnight sleeper from Patras-Ancona
(no car) ran about $150 for a double (it was one of the most
comfortable rooms we had in a month of travel!)...

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:56:17 -0700, "TS" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >We plan to fly to London from the US to sightsee around the UK for a few
    >days, then take the Eurostar to Paris, pick up a rental car and tour around
    >Europe for about 3 or 4 weeks with the end goal of spending the last few
    >days of the trip in Greece.
    >The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
    >considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
    >days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
    >maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
    >open jaw flight.
    >The other option is to keep the car, take it with us to Greece on ferries
    >and drive it back to Paris to the original pick up point.
    >How many hours of travel by car is the journey from Paris to Rome or Paris
    >to Athens (including the ferry trip to Greece and the travel time from the
    >port to Athens?)
 
Old Sep 23rd 2004, 5:42 pm
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Jeremy Henderson
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:38:22 +0200, nitram wrote:

    > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:34:08 +0300, Stelios Zacharias
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:30:06 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>I've never heard anybody describe Greek expressways/motorways as
    >>>excellent before. They are rubbish.
    >>Try visiting again - they are not as bad as they once were.
    >
    > I admit that my experience is from 7 years ago, BUT if the hard
    > shoulder still doubles as an intermittent inside lane, then it is not
    > a motorway in my opinion. I do endorse that 7 years ago they were much
    > improved on 20 years ago :-)

The road from Patras to Athens is enormously improved. It used to be
diabolically dangerous - especially the stretch from Corinth to Athens
through Elefsina. Now it is much like any other motorway - largely boring,
and confusing when you get to Athens.

In fact we recently bought a house in Peleponessos (sp), which we wouldn't
have done had the roads been in their previous state, so the local
economy has seen a return (small!) on the investment.

J;

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Old Sep 23rd 2004, 6:34 pm
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:56:17 -0700, "TS" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
    >considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
    >days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
    >maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
    >open jaw flight.

That sounds like a good plan. You won't have much use for a car in
Greece.

For flights from Rome to Athens, check out the following:

British Airways www.britishairways.com
Aegean Cronus Airlines www.aegeanair.com
Alitalia www.alitalia.it
Olympic Airways www.olympic-airways.it

or, if you like to live dangerously

Uzbekistan Airways www.uzbekistan-airways.com

Margaret Coffin
InfoRoma
www.inforoma.it
 
Old Sep 23rd 2004, 9:44 pm
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nitram
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:42:41 +0200, Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:38:22 +0200, nitram wrote:
    >> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:34:08 +0300, Stelios Zacharias
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:30:06 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>I've never heard anybody describe Greek expressways/motorways as
    >>>>excellent before. They are rubbish.
    >>>Try visiting again - they are not as bad as they once were.
    >>
    >> I admit that my experience is from 7 years ago, BUT if the hard
    >> shoulder still doubles as an intermittent inside lane, then it is not
    >> a motorway in my opinion. I do endorse that 7 years ago they were much
    >> improved on 20 years ago :-)
    >The road from Patras to Athens is enormously improved. It used to be
    >diabolically dangerous - especially the stretch from Corinth to Athens
    >through Elefsina.

I did it Patras to Athens at night once by car around 1984, it was
terrifying.
 
Old Sep 23rd 2004, 9:48 pm
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nitram
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:34:13 GMT, [email protected] (Margaret
Coffin) wrote:

    >On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:56:17 -0700, "TS" <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>The closest drop off point to Greece for the car is Rome, so we are
    >>considering dropping the car off in Rome, then flying to Athens for 1 or two
    >>days, then spending a week island hopping before flying back to London or
    >>maybe flying directly back to SFO from Athens if we can find a reasonable
    >>open jaw flight.
    >That sounds like a good plan. You won't have much use for a car in
    >Greece.

We've fully used our car when we have taken it to Greece. In Athens it
was useless, but we knew that. We just parked it whilst we were there
and used taxis and public transport. Outside Athens having a car was
very useful.
 

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