Triumvir

"Where Are Da White Women At?" <My Whitey Woman Left me for the Chef @South Park.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "trallala" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > the people who died are 85 or more.
    > >
    > > Nobody gets so old in the US, you die from cancer, food, or
    > > too much work before.....
    > >
    > > ====================
    > Gee, Bob Hope , George Burns, Strom Thurmond and thousands of other
    > Americans all lived to be 100, and they were not on socialized medicine
    > either.

Gee, ya think? You use rich people as an example of who made it
without free medicare?? Hm yes, indeed...

Triumvir

"Where Are Da White Women At?" <My Whitey Woman Left me for the Chef @South Park.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Where Are Da White Women At?" <My Whitey Woman Left me for the
    > > Chef @South Park.com> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "trallala" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > the people who died are 85 or more.
    > > > >
    > > > > Nobody gets so old in the US, you die from cancer, food, or
    > > > > too much work before.....
    > > > >
    > > > > ====================
    > > > Gee, Bob Hope , George Burns, Strom Thurmond and thousands of
    > other
    > > > Americans all lived to be 100, and they were not on socialized
    > medicine
    > > > either.
    > > >
    > >
    > > But all of them, plus the Queen Mother in the UK, actually passed
    > > away in their 60s but had Insurance policies which provided that
    > > the Disney Organisation would work the wonder of audio
    > > anamotronics on them. Clearly, it was successful because it
    > > fooled a lot of people. BTW, Bob Hope was born in London but we
    > > don't necessarily want to be reminded of that.
    > >
    > > JohnT
    > >
    > > ===============
    > Thank god , if Hope lived in London, he would have had to wait in line
    > behind street bums in the Socialized Medicine ward whenever he became ill,
    > and likely would have died in his 60's.


Lol sure, socialism isn't communism you know. No bread-lines here.
You don't have a clue, yet you have a opinion. How American of you...

Triumvir

"Orange" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > Or like millions of other Britons he (or his company) would have had the
    > option of paying into a private health scheme, as well as being able to
    > benefit from the NHS.
    > Out of interest what kind of medical treatment do the millions of people who
    > can't afford health insurance in the USA get?

They bring them to malls & supermarkets 'till they cool off or get better.

Nick

"Orange" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Jenn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Orange" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > "Go Fig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > > > "Orange" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > "Bjorn Olsson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > [email protected] (Rainer Wolfcastle) wrote in
message
    > > > > > news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > > > > > > > Seems like a lot more people are dying in France this summer
    > than in
    > > > > > > > Iraq.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Not likely. The forecast for this week says 110-112 F in Baghdad
    > and
    > > > > > > 70-80 F in Paris. I'm not sure which city has more
    > air-conditioners,
    > > > > > > but I do know which has the electricity to run them.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Not to mention fully working hospitals that haven't been starved
of
    > > > drugs
    > > > > > and medical equipment for years through sanctions,
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Another BBC viewer....
    > > >
    > > > Well I do switch over to Fox News sometimes when I want a laugh...
    > >
    > >
    > > Iraq hospitals are not lacking because of sanctions -- medical supplies
    > > etc were specifically exempted -- they are lacking because Saddam
    > > Hussein chose to spend his ample funds on other things -- like more
    > > weapons and more palaces and more fancy cars for himself and his
    > > supporters
    > Real effects of UN sanctions on Iraq
    > Robert Patton ([email protected])
    > The articles address how the Security Council's unjust sanctions have
    > affected the citizens of Iraq, claiming that the sanctions themselves have
    > led to more deaths than the Gulf War in 1991.Child mortality has tripled
    > since 1990, and despite the deaths of over half a million Iraqi children
due
    > to starvation, which has been reported by the UN's own agencies (FAO,
    > UNICEF), the US State Department and the UN continue to severely limit
    > Iraq's ability to sell oil for desperately needed food and medical
supplies.
    > on the conditions in Iraq, "Since 1993 the situation has become much worse
    > for the majority of the population, beggars and street children are seen
    > widely, crime has increased and infantile malnutrition can be observed in
    > both hospitals and the general population." "If this situation is allowed
to
    > continue the result will undoubtedly be even further deterioration in the
    > nutritional status and health of large sections of the Iraqi population.
    > There is a strong possibility of an outright collapse of the food and
    > agricultural economy which would cripple the food ration system and lead
to
    > widespread famine and hunger." The sanctions on Iraq are not aimed at
    > punishing Saddam Hussein and his police state but are rather used to
    > suppress any attempt by the Iraqi nation to rebuild its economy and power
    > and challenge Western influence in the region. Perhaps the worst effect of
    > the sanctions is that the people of Iraq who might under liveable
conditions
    > attempt to oppose the dictatorship are now forced to simply concentrate on
    > their own survival because of shortages of food and medical supplies. The
    > sanctions actually give the police state in Iraq more power to control and
    > suppress its opposition by rationing supplies and awarding those areas who
    > support the dictatorship. Any supplies that are not humanitarian in
    > character are strictly prohibited from being imported into Iraq, including
    > parts for computers, wheels for tractors, and other industrial products
    > absolutely necessary for rebuilding Iraq's productive capacity. "The
effect
    > of the sanctions, if not their direct intent, is to maintain the Iraqi
    > people in a situation of welfare recipients, depending on the good will of
    > the UN and its masters." These sanctions do little more than deny 20
million
    > completely innocent Iraqi citizens of their basic human rights, and allow
    > the dictatorial rule of Saddam Hussein to go unchallenged.
    > Just because you have a complete bullsh*t article does not make it
true....The sanctions did not kill iraqi's, the french, russians, and saddam
did. This with the cooperation from the officials from the UN. This is the
truth not that other bullsh*t you spouted.

Face the facts the french people have murdered iraqi's due to the illegal
actions of their government....

Bonee chance, M**********rs

Nick

beeswax

Jenn wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Orange" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > "Go Fig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > > "Orange" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > "Bjorn Olsson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > [email protected] (Rainer Wolfcastle) wrote in message
    > > > > news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > > > > > > Seems like a lot more people are dying in France this summer than in
    > > > > > > Iraq.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Not likely. The forecast for this week says 110-112 F in Baghdad and
    > > > > > 70-80 F in Paris. I'm not sure which city has more air-conditioners,
    > > > > > but I do know which has the electricity to run them.
    > > > >
    > > > > Not to mention fully working hospitals that haven't been starved of
    > > drugs
    > > > > and medical equipment for years through sanctions,
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Another BBC viewer....
    > >
    > > Well I do switch over to Fox News sometimes when I want a laugh...
    > Iraq hospitals are not lacking because of sanctions -- medical supplies
    > etc were specifically exempted -- they are lacking because Saddam
    > Hussein chose to spend his ample funds on other things -- like more
    > weapons and more palaces and more fancy cars for himself and his
    > supporters

You have just demonstrated incredible ignorance. Look up the name "Dennis
Halliday" and read about him, and why he resigned as the head UN sanctions
co-ordinator in Iraq. He even admitted smuggling in drugs himself, when he found
out that supplies which he himself had personally approved (drugs for cancer
treatments), were being witheld by the US/UK authorities on a technicality. He
said, in the same interview (on BBC radio 4, a couple of years back, 1 hour long),
that the Iraqi distribution system worked as fairly as it could, given that we
were witholding truck spares as "potential weapons parts". He tracked incoming
goods specifically to see if any were being sold before reaching their intended
destination, and could find no evidence of diversion; in fact, he said the Iraqi's
were rather severe on anyone found pilfering - at any level. A lot of stuff was
stuck in warehouses though, because of the truck problem.

After his resignation, he called the sanctions regime "genocidal". Interestingly,
his successor to the post also resigned, for the same reasons.

As for cars, I saw a picture on TV of a warehouse full of luxury cars, which the
talking head (US military) explained were "Saddam's personal" fleet. A couple of
things looked wrong though....

(1) A Rolls-Royce stood on bricks, without doors...
(2) A Ferrari with bullet holes in the windscreen, only way would have been a
shooter standing barely 10 feet in front, what on earth would he have been
shooting in a warehouse??
(3) A row of BMW's without doors. Not ripped off, but removed.
(4) Most of the cars were absolutely filthy, and all were damaged in some way, but
some at the rear and some in front. Not bomb damage then, as that would all be on
the same end of the cars. Most likely crash damage. One had evidently run into a
lamp post.

Conclusion: a "chop shop". When you can't get parts for vehicles, as in under
sanctions, if you crash a car or it blows up, you cannibalise it for spare parts
to keep another going. See Cuba. On balance, probably a commercial auto-repairers
for luxury cars!


Beeswax

Nick

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Jenn wrote:
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > "Orange" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > "Go Fig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > > > "Orange" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > "Bjorn Olsson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > [email protected] (Rainer Wolfcastle) wrote in
message
    > > > > > news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > > > > > > > Seems like a lot more people are dying in France this summer
than in
    > > > > > > > Iraq.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Not likely. The forecast for this week says 110-112 F in Baghdad
and
    > > > > > > 70-80 F in Paris. I'm not sure which city has more
air-conditioners,
    > > > > > > but I do know which has the electricity to run them.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Not to mention fully working hospitals that haven't been starved
of
    > > > drugs
    > > > > > and medical equipment for years through sanctions,
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Another BBC viewer....
    > > >
    > > > Well I do switch over to Fox News sometimes when I want a laugh...
    > >
    > > Iraq hospitals are not lacking because of sanctions -- medical supplies
    > > etc were specifically exempted -- they are lacking because Saddam
    > > Hussein chose to spend his ample funds on other things -- like more
    > > weapons and more palaces and more fancy cars for himself and his
    > > supporters
    > You have just demonstrated incredible ignorance. Look up the name "Dennis
    > Halliday" and read about him, and why he resigned as the head UN sanctions
    > co-ordinator in Iraq. He even admitted smuggling in drugs himself, when he
found
    > out that supplies which he himself had personally approved (drugs for
cancer
    > treatments), were being witheld by the US/UK authorities on a
technicality. He
    > said, in the same interview (on BBC radio 4, a couple of years back, 1
hour long),
    > that the Iraqi distribution system worked as fairly as it could, given
that we
    > were witholding truck spares as "potential weapons parts". He tracked
incoming
    > goods specifically to see if any were being sold before reaching their
intended
    > destination, and could find no evidence of diversion; in fact, he said the
Iraqi's
    > were rather severe on anyone found pilfering - at any level. A lot of
stuff was
    > stuck in warehouses though, because of the truck problem.
    > After his resignation, he called the sanctions regime "genocidal".
Interestingly,
    > his successor to the post also resigned, for the same reasons.
    > As for cars, I saw a picture on TV of a warehouse full of luxury cars,
which the
    > talking head (US military) explained were "Saddam's personal" fleet. A
couple of
    > things looked wrong though....
    > (1) A Rolls-Royce stood on bricks, without doors...
    > (2) A Ferrari with bullet holes in the windscreen, only way would have
been a
    > shooter standing barely 10 feet in front, what on earth would he have been
    > shooting in a warehouse??
    > (3) A row of BMW's without doors. Not ripped off, but removed.
    > (4) Most of the cars were absolutely filthy, and all were damaged in some
way, but
    > some at the rear and some in front. Not bomb damage then, as that would
all be on
    > the same end of the cars. Most likely crash damage. One had evidently run
into a
    > lamp post.
    > Conclusion: a "chop shop". When you can't get parts for vehicles, as in
under
    > sanctions, if you crash a car or it blows up, you cannibalise it for spare
parts
    > to keep another going. See Cuba. On balance, probably a commercial
auto-repairers
    > for luxury cars!
    > Beeswax
    > Oh, please, you are the one who is ignorant! Read something other than
islamic propaganda and try to understand the points being made. Of course,
you will not do that, you will continue to spread lies and disinformation
written by your muslim masters.

Go mind your own beeswax, dipshit.

Nick

John B. Whelan

"John of Aix" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The oldest person in the world, 124 years old Jeanne Calment, died
    > just a couple of years ago.

The woman who claimed to be Ms. Calment died in 1997. If she was who
she claimed to be (which is extremely unlikely) she would have been
122, not 124.

The original Ms. Calment was born in 1875. At the age of 88 her
grandson died in a car crash, and she was left entirely without family
(except for her grandson's widow, who in the same apartment building
for at least a couple of years thereafter). What happened to her
after that is anyone's guess, since there is no record of her death.

All we know is that for many many years thereafter someone was still
living in her apartment, benefiting from her life pension and life
estate, and eventually dying in 1997. This person (for reasons not
hard to understand) destroyed the Calment family archives after she
began to become famous. Apparently, no-one attempted to locate the
grandson's widow.

    > She met Van Gogh.

Yeah. Right.

    > Now there is just a kid
    > of 113 going for the title as far as I know.

This "kid" has a somewhat greater chance of being genuine than
Calment. However, at this point, no-one cares about it enough to do
the rigorous research required to verify, since she is "only" 113
years old.

- John Whelan

Magda

On 30 Aug 2003 17:56:44 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (John B. Whelan)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... "John of Aix" <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... > The oldest person in the world, 124 years old Jeanne Calment, died
... > just a couple of years ago.
...
... The woman who claimed to be Ms. Calment died in 1997. If she was who
... she claimed to be (which is extremely unlikely) she would have been
... 122, not 124.
...
... The original Ms. Calment was born in 1875. At the age of 88 her
... grandson died in a car crash, and she was left entirely without family
... (except for her grandson's widow, who in the same apartment building
... for at least a couple of years thereafter). What happened to her
... after that is anyone's guess, since there is no record of her death.
...
... All we know is that for many many years thereafter someone was still
... living in her apartment, benefiting from her life pension and life
... estate, and eventually dying in 1997. This person (for reasons not
... hard to understand) destroyed the Calment family archives after she
... began to become famous. Apparently, no-one attempted to locate the
... grandson's widow.

(Don't you love it when people decide to re-write history ? )

Are you Hitler's grandson, John ?

Malev

On 30 Aug 2003 17:56:44 -0700, [email protected] (John B. Whelan) wrote:

    >"John of Aix" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> The oldest person in the world, 124 years old Jeanne Calment, died
    >> just a couple of years ago.
    >The woman who claimed to be Ms. Calment died in 1997. If she was who
    >she claimed to be (which is extremely unlikely)

<snip - preposterous nonsense>

It was Elvis.
He finally died in the South of France August 7th 1997 aged 62,
impersonating a 122 year old woman.

John Of Aix

"John B. Whelan" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
    > "John of Aix" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > The oldest person in the world, 124 years old Jeanne Calment, died
    > > just a couple of years ago.
    > The woman who claimed to be Ms. Calment died in 1997. If she was
who
    > she claimed to be (which is extremely unlikely) she would have been
    > 122, not 124.

You may be right about the 122, the rest is bullshit no doubt put
around by the contenders for the title. I know the lady's history
quite well, she lived fairly close by and her case was often treated
by the local and national media.

John Of Aix

"Magda" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...

    > (Don't you love it when people decide to re-write history ? )
    > Are you Hitler's grandson, John ?

Oh look, a sock puppet.

Magda

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:41:40 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, "John of Aix"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... "Magda" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
... [email protected]...
...
... > (Don't you love it when people decide to re-write history ? )
... >
... > Are you Hitler's grandson, John ?
...
... Oh look, a sock puppet.


Touché !

Holly

John of Aix wrote:

    >
    > "Magda" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    > [email protected]...
    >
    >> (Don't you love it when people decide to re-write history ? )
    >> Are you Hitler's grandson, John ?
    >
    > Oh look, a sock puppet.

About half the posts here are from sock puppets.

nobody

Hi,

actually it was really "jack" from antwerp... he claims to have been
born in 194x and if you've ever actually met him or his beautiful young
wife you find it hard to believe... ;-}

he's really a master of makeup and he's been impersonating this woman
for decades!


Malev wrote:
    > On 30 Aug 2003 17:56:44 -0700, [email protected] (John B. Whelan) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"John of Aix" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>The oldest person in the world, 124 years old Jeanne Calment, died
    >>>just a couple of years ago.
    >>The woman who claimed to be Ms. Calment died in 1997. If she was who
    >>she claimed to be (which is extremely unlikely)
    >
    >
    > <snip - preposterous nonsense>
    >
    > It was Elvis.
    > He finally died in the South of France August 7th 1997 aged 62,
    > impersonating a 122 year old woman.
    >

--
"Disperse, you rebels -- Damn you, throw down your arms and disperse!"
Maj. John Pitcairn (British Army), Lexington, Mass., April 19, 1775

John B. Whelan

"John of Aix" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "John B. Whelan" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    > [email protected]...
    > > "John of Aix" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > The oldest person in the world, 124 years old Jeanne Calment, died
    > > > just a couple of years ago.
    > >
    > > The woman who claimed to be Ms. Calment died in 1997. If she was
    > who
    > > she claimed to be (which is extremely unlikely) she would have been
    > > 122, not 124.
    >
    > You may be right about the 122,

I am.

    > the rest is bullshit

Don't be rude.

    > no doubt put
    > around by the contenders for the title.

You are wrong. I am not a contender to the title. I have no
expectation of living past 80. Furthermore, I do not necessarily
presume that any of the "contenders" are genuine.

    > I know the lady's history
    > quite well, she lived fairly close by and her case was often treated
    > by the local and national media.

Are saying is that you believe it because it has been reported in the
media? 122 is an extraordinary claim, and such require extraordinary
proof. You can't get her age right, but I'm supposed to believe you
because you lived nearby and read about it in the papers?

I have read the published study that purport to verify her case, as
well as the "biography", and they are woefully unconvincing. If you
have knowledge of evidence that demonstrates that this person must be
genuine - and most particularly that the person who died 1997 was the
same old woman who was living with her grandson in '67, then I would
be most interested in hearing it. The period between the death of her
grandson and her entry into the nursing home is the very weak link in
an otherwise strong chain, and such cases are only as strong as their
weakest link.

I find it a fascinating case, and a most interesting woman. You say
you know the case. Fine. Help me out. For instance, what do you
know about her grandson's widow. Is she still alive? Has anyone
found her to interview her for the French media? Did they find anyone
who knew her at the time she was living with her grandson? What are
the sources of the photographs that purport to show her as a young
woman? When was the date that she destroyed the Calment family
archives? The latter was reported in her "biography" by the
researchers who "verified" her, but they do not give a date.

- John Whelan