Orange

"Where Are Da White Women At?" <My Whitey Woman Left me for the Chef @South
Park.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Where Are Da White Women At?" <My Whitey Woman Left me for the
    > > Chef @South Park.com> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "trallala" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > the people who died are 85 or more.
    > > > >
    > > > > Nobody gets so old in the US, you die from cancer, food, or
    > > > > too much work before.....
    > > > >
    > > > > ====================
    > > > Gee, Bob Hope , George Burns, Strom Thurmond and thousands of
    > > other
    > > > Americans all lived to be 100, and they were not on socialized
    > > medicine
    > > > either.
    > > >
    > >
    > > But all of them, plus the Queen Mother in the UK, actually passed
    > > away in their 60s but had Insurance policies which provided that
    > > the Disney Organisation would work the wonder of audio
    > > anamotronics on them. Clearly, it was successful because it
    > > fooled a lot of people. BTW, Bob Hope was born in London but we
    > > don't necessarily want to be reminded of that.
    > >
    > > JohnT
    > >
    > > ===============
    > Thank god , if Hope lived in London, he would have had to wait in line
    > behind street bums in the Socialized Medicine ward whenever he became ill,
    > and likely would have died in his 60's.

Or like millions of other Britons he (or his company) would have had the
option of paying into a private health scheme, as well as being able to
benefit from the NHS.
Out of interest what kind of medical treatment do the millions of people who
can't afford health insurance in the USA get?

nightjar

"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:58:39 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Where Are Da
White Women At?"
    > <My Whitey Woman Left me for the Chef @South Park.com> arranged some
electrons, so they
    > looked like this :
    > ... Thank god , if Hope lived in London, he would have had to wait in
line
    > ... behind street bums in the Socialized Medicine ward whenever he became
ill,
    > ... and likely would have died in his 60's.
    > A good friend of mine died in England last month for precisely this same
reason. Whenever
    > he needed to see a doctor, he was always given an appointment *two or
three months later*
    > - one day he just couldn't wait. :-((

Perhaps he should have changed to a different surgery. Waiting time at mine
is 3-4 days for normal visits, or 'come in now and we'll fit you in when a
doctor is free' for something that sounds like it can't wait. The only real
delays that I have come across in the NHS are trying to get to see a
consultant surgeon for a non-life threatening condition.

Colin Bignell

nightjar

"Rainer Wolfcastle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Seems like a lot more people are dying in France this summer than in
    > Iraq. Maybe the cheap French might consider buying grandma a $80 air
    > conditioner versus going on a 4 week vacation.

Split unit air conditioners cost around EUR 1000 in the French supermarkets,
if you can get them, which you can't, because they have sold out.
Evaporative cooling air conditioners cost a lot less, but they are designed
for dry places, like deserts, and simply don't work in areas with an
Atlantic climate, which is much of France.

Colin Bignell

Magda

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:55:45 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, <nightjar> arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Perhaps he should have changed to a different surgery. Waiting time at mine
... is 3-4 days for normal visits, or 'come in now and we'll fit you in when a
... doctor is free' for something that sounds like it can't wait. The only real
... delays that I have come across in the NHS are trying to get to see a
... consultant surgeon for a non-life threatening condition.

My friend was 70-something, retired and had cancer. Not difficult to imagine that for them
he was not "important" and could wait while the young ones were treated for a cold or
something...

Marie Lewis

In article <[email protected]>, Magda
<[email protected]> writes
    >A good friend of mine died in England last month for precisely this same reason. Whenever
    >he needed to see a doctor, he was always given an appointment *two or three months later*
    >- one day he just couldn't wait. :-((


At my doctor's we are guaranteed to be seen by a doctor the day we
telephone for an appointment.

That also is the NHS.
--
Marie Lewis

Marie Lewis

In article <[email protected]>,
nightjar@?.?.invalid writes
    >Perhaps he should have changed to a different surgery. Waiting time at mine
    >is 3-4 days for normal visits, or 'come in now and we'll fit you in when a
    >doctor is free' for something that sounds like it can't wait. The only real
    >delays that I have come across in the NHS are trying to get to see a
    >consultant surgeon for a non-life threatening condition.


This the what usually happens, unless your doctor has "advanced access"
like mine.

We can also drop in to se a triage nurse and there is a doctor available
to see patients referred by that nurse.
--
Marie Lewis

Marie Lewis

In article <[email protected]>, Magda
<[email protected]> writes
    >My friend was 70-something, retired and had cancer. Not difficult to imagine that for them
    >he was not "important" and could wait while the young ones were treated for a cold or
    >something...
He really should have changed his doctor.
--
Marie Lewis

David Horne

[snip crossposts]

<nightjar> wrote:

    > Perhaps he should have changed to a different surgery.

This is _extremely_ difficult to in some parts of the country, you know.

    > Waiting time at mine
    > is 3-4 days for normal visits, or 'come in now and we'll fit you in when a
    > doctor is free' for something that sounds like it can't wait.

That's been my experience too, usually.

    > The only real
    > delays that I have come across in the NHS are trying to get to see a
    > consultant surgeon for a non-life threatening condition.

You're lucky then, and I hope it stays that way for you. However, it's
no use pretending that waiting lists for serious operations and
consultations in the UK don't exist. They're about the worst in Western
Europe, and that's comparing them to other countries that have
'socialised' medicine. Thousands of people die every year in the UK from
various conditions which would likely have been prevented or otherwise
halted has they had quicker access to the right health care. This isn't
a political statement, it's well documented, and you'll find broad
agreement on different sides of the political spectrum about it. I've
had mostly good experiences with the NHS, and I know others that have
had terrible experiences. The NHS was a wonderful model when it was
invented, but in many ways has failed to keep up with modern demands.
Other countries have done a lot better, while not spending _that_ much
more, and we need to learn from them, I think- rather than pretending
that everything in the UK is fine.

David

--
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davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Marvin

orange wrote:

    >Out of interest what kind of medical treatment do the millions of people
who
    >can't afford health insurance in the USA get?

I can't speak for the rest of the US; but in Tennessee, they can go to any
emergency room at any time for treatment. It doesn't matter if it is an
emergency or not; Tenncare will pay. It doesn't matter if a clinic or other
daytime medical facility is next door and all they have is a cold, they can
still go to the emergency room for treatment.

--
Marvin & Sue

Mxsmanic

Rainer Wolfcastle writes:

    > Seems like a lot more people are dying in France this summer than in
    > Iraq. Maybe the cheap French might consider buying grandma a $80 air
    > conditioner versus going on a 4 week vacation.

The French are too stupid and superstitious to do that, even on those
rare occasions when they are not too cheap.

    > More people died in France in late July & August than allied troops in
    > gulf war 1 & 2 and afghanistan.

And still nothing will be done.

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Mxsmanic

John of Aix writes:

    > Air conditioners cost a lot more than 80 dollars.

So do furnaces, but that doesn't stop people from buying them.

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Mxsmanic

trallala writes:

    > the people who died are 85 or more.

Most were old, but some were not.

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nightjar

"David Horne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > [snip crossposts]
    > <nightjar> wrote:
    > > Perhaps he should have changed to a different surgery.
    > This is _extremely_ difficult to in some parts of the country, you know.

That has not been my experience, nor that of a couple of my cousins, who
live half the country away, nor of a friend who wanted a female doctor.
However, I have no doubt that there will be places where there is a shortage
of places on doctors' lists.

...
    > > The only real
    > > delays that I have come across in the NHS are trying to get to see a
    > > consultant surgeon for a non-life threatening condition.
    > You're lucky then, and I hope it stays that way for you. However, it's
    > no use pretending that waiting lists for serious operations and
    > consultations in the UK don't exist.

Of course they exist, but not as a country-wide phenomenon. When I needed a
consultant for a knee injury, my GP was able to give me the availability of
the relevant consultants around the country. Our local one was about 15
weeks, but I could have seen one in another area within a couple of weeks.
That was for a simple painful knee, but he had the same information
available for all specialities.

    > ...Thousands of people die every year in the UK from
    > various conditions which would likely have been prevented or otherwise
    > halted has they had quicker access to the right health care.

That, of course, includes having the right GP, who will make sure that you
get what additional care you need, which takes back to where we started.

    >.. The NHS was a wonderful model when it was
    > invented, but in many ways has failed to keep up with modern demands.

It was invented as the employee care scheme for the Great Western Railway,
lifted almost intact to create the NHS, so it is hardly surprising that it
was not designed to cope with modern demands.

    > Other countries have done a lot better, while not spending _that_ much
    > more, and we need to learn from them, I think- rather than pretending
    > that everything in the UK is fine.

It is fashionable to knock the NHS, but my view is that it is not as bad as
most people like to make out. As a general rule, if you have something
serious wrong with you, the NHS is among the best available and a much
better option than going private, but, if you want quick service for
something chronic and not life threatening, then it does take its time to
get around to you and private medicine will be quicker although, as you
usually see the same consultant, not necessarily better. As most people fall
into the second category, they tend to see the NHS at its worst.

Colin Bignell

Evelynvogtgamble

Magda wrote:
    >
    > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:58:39 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Where Are Da White Women At?"
    > <My Whitey Woman Left me for the Chef @South Park.com> arranged some electrons, so they
    > looked like this :
    >
    > ... Thank god , if Hope lived in London, he would have had to wait in line
    > ... behind street bums in the Socialized Medicine ward whenever he became ill,
    > ... and likely would have died in his 60's.
    >
    > A good friend of mine died in England last month for precisely this same reason. Whenever
    > he needed to see a doctor, he was always given an appointment *two or three months later*
    > - one day he just couldn't wait. :-((

They don't have hospital emergency rooms in England? True, you may have
to wait in line there, too - and if you're in pain, any wait at all
seems too long. However, if it's a really life-threatening medical
situation, you get immediate attention - they don't even check to see if
you have insurance, first.

John Of Aix

"Where Are Da White Women At?" <My Whitey Woman Left me for the Chef
@South Park.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > "trallala" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > the people who died are 85 or more.
    > >
    > > Nobody gets so old in the US, you die from cancer, food, or
    > > too much work before.....
    > >
    > > ====================
    > Gee, Bob Hope , George Burns, Strom Thurmond and thousands of other
    > Americans all lived to be 100, and they were not on socialized
medicine
    > either.

The oldest person in the world, 124 years old Jeanne Calment, died
just a couple of years ago. She met Van Gogh. Now there is just a kid
of 113 going for the title as far as I know.