Paris Beer
Aug 14th 2004, 12:34 am
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Re: Paris Beer
"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> There are many "normal" things which I don't like: selfishness,
> intemperance, hypocrisy, loudness, and cabbage.
Agreed.
> I know about normality. I also understand the idea of active
> participation, as distinct from using newsgroup members as unpaid
> help. There are many people who are here, even when not planning a
> trip. They contribute.
No-one's arguing about active participation - it's as good as giving and
receiving free help.
Do you think they would continue if the group
> were confined to your type of agenda?
I don't have the agenda you imagine. I don't believe in being discourteous
to people asking civil questions.
> Not at all -- check my posting record.
I have Padraig; your sarcasm isn't reserved solely for me.
> Bollocks. I never attacked you. You attacked me. It's time for you to
> apologise.
I asked a completely simple question to which I received several civil and
helpful answers. You were the first in with your incredibly sarcastic
shrug. Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.
> PB
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> There are many "normal" things which I don't like: selfishness,
> intemperance, hypocrisy, loudness, and cabbage.
Agreed.
> I know about normality. I also understand the idea of active
> participation, as distinct from using newsgroup members as unpaid
> help. There are many people who are here, even when not planning a
> trip. They contribute.
No-one's arguing about active participation - it's as good as giving and
receiving free help.
Do you think they would continue if the group
> were confined to your type of agenda?
I don't have the agenda you imagine. I don't believe in being discourteous
to people asking civil questions.
> Not at all -- check my posting record.
I have Padraig; your sarcasm isn't reserved solely for me.
> Bollocks. I never attacked you. You attacked me. It's time for you to
> apologise.
I asked a completely simple question to which I received several civil and
helpful answers. You were the first in with your incredibly sarcastic
shrug. Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.
> PB
> The return address has been MUNGED
Aug 14th 2004, 12:42 am
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Re: Paris Beer
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:02:41 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
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>[email protected] writes:
>> I think I'll use the plonk option.
>So?
What?
wrote:
>[email protected] writes:
>> I think I'll use the plonk option.
>So?
What?
Aug 14th 2004, 1:34 am
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Re: Paris Beer
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>> I also understand the idea of active participation,
>> as distinct from using newsgroup members as unpaid
>> help.
>Newsgroups are not social clubs. There is no obligation to "actively
>participate," and indeed, only those who mistake a newsgroup for the
>local pub would think otherwise.
Ironic simile, in view of the thread title!
>Such people are easy to recognize
>because they start posting about their personal lives and events,
>oblivious to the topic of the group, and begin to behave as if they are
>at a family barbecue instead of in a medium read by millions of
>strangers around the world.
True. And I imagine that the regulars in this group know more about
your life than about mine.
>It's perfectly normal to enter a group, post a question, get a reply,
>and leave. That's largely what newsgroups are for.
They wouldn't work very well that way. Who would be there to provide
the answers?
>> There are many people who are here, even when not planning a
>> trip. They contribute. Do you think they would continue if the group
>> were confined to your type of agenda?
>Who cares? As I've said, this is a newsgroup, not a social club. The
>only people who worry about "regulars" and "contributions" are the ones
>who think they're chatting around a summer campfire. Often they post a
>lot of useless and irrelevant messages, too ("Got a new car today!" "My
>headache and bad weather," etc.). They seem to be the same people from
>the low end of the curve who used to haunt CB radio (and now haunt
>real-time chat systems like IRC or IM).
Mixi, you're trying to stir the pot. Any activity involving people has
a social dimension. And I missed the bit about somebody getting a new
car.
>> Not at all -- check my posting record. You seem to be allergic to one
>> of the reasons why people persist in this group: enjoyable engagement
>> with people.
>That's not what newsgroups are for. Some people may use them that way,
>and I suppose that's fine, but they are not being realistic if they
>think that newsgroups are primarily coffee shops for tiny groups of
>"regulars." Indeed, sometimes people with this attitude interfere with
>the functioning of USENET, since they are far more interested in
>shooting the breeze all day with their tiny cliques than with discussing
>the nominal topics of the groups in an objective and open way. They
>will try to harass and chase out anyone who isn't a member of the club.
You talking about me?
>> Bollocks. I never attacked you. You attacked me. It's time for you to
>> apologise.
>Another thing that these "regulars" tend to do is get into petty
>playground arguments.
Yeah. You give the impression of wanting to argue with me.
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>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>> I also understand the idea of active participation,
>> as distinct from using newsgroup members as unpaid
>> help.
>Newsgroups are not social clubs. There is no obligation to "actively
>participate," and indeed, only those who mistake a newsgroup for the
>local pub would think otherwise.
Ironic simile, in view of the thread title!
>Such people are easy to recognize
>because they start posting about their personal lives and events,
>oblivious to the topic of the group, and begin to behave as if they are
>at a family barbecue instead of in a medium read by millions of
>strangers around the world.
True. And I imagine that the regulars in this group know more about
your life than about mine.
>It's perfectly normal to enter a group, post a question, get a reply,
>and leave. That's largely what newsgroups are for.
They wouldn't work very well that way. Who would be there to provide
the answers?
>> There are many people who are here, even when not planning a
>> trip. They contribute. Do you think they would continue if the group
>> were confined to your type of agenda?
>Who cares? As I've said, this is a newsgroup, not a social club. The
>only people who worry about "regulars" and "contributions" are the ones
>who think they're chatting around a summer campfire. Often they post a
>lot of useless and irrelevant messages, too ("Got a new car today!" "My
>headache and bad weather," etc.). They seem to be the same people from
>the low end of the curve who used to haunt CB radio (and now haunt
>real-time chat systems like IRC or IM).
Mixi, you're trying to stir the pot. Any activity involving people has
a social dimension. And I missed the bit about somebody getting a new
car.
>> Not at all -- check my posting record. You seem to be allergic to one
>> of the reasons why people persist in this group: enjoyable engagement
>> with people.
>That's not what newsgroups are for. Some people may use them that way,
>and I suppose that's fine, but they are not being realistic if they
>think that newsgroups are primarily coffee shops for tiny groups of
>"regulars." Indeed, sometimes people with this attitude interfere with
>the functioning of USENET, since they are far more interested in
>shooting the breeze all day with their tiny cliques than with discussing
>the nominal topics of the groups in an objective and open way. They
>will try to harass and chase out anyone who isn't a member of the club.
You talking about me?
>> Bollocks. I never attacked you. You attacked me. It's time for you to
>> apologise.
>Another thing that these "regulars" tend to do is get into petty
>playground arguments.
Yeah. You give the impression of wanting to argue with me.
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Aug 14th 2004, 1:34 am
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Re: Paris Beer
"Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> There are many "normal" things which I don't like: selfishness,
>> intemperance, hypocrisy, loudness, and cabbage.
>Agreed.
Including the bit about intemperance?
>Do you think they would continue if the group
>> were confined to your type of agenda?
>I don't have the agenda you imagine. I don't believe in being discourteous
>to people asking civil questions.
Nor do I.
>> Not at all -- check my posting record.
>I have Padraig; your sarcasm isn't reserved solely for me.
More bollocks. I don't use sarcasm.
>> Bollocks. I never attacked you. You attacked me. It's time for you to
>> apologise.
>I asked a completely simple question to which I received several civil and
>helpful answers. You were the first in with your incredibly sarcastic
>shrug.
How can you judge the nature of a shrug which is represented by a
single word? Even my elaboration didn't seem to work for you. So I'll
spell it out for you: you asked a bad question; Paris is a large city;
the idea of what constitutes a pub varies; the idea of reasonable
prices varies; tastes in beer vary. How can a question like that be
answered? So I delivered what I thought an appropriate response -- a
Gallic shrug. And then you mounted your high horse.
>Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.
No ****ing way. I didn't attack you.
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>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> There are many "normal" things which I don't like: selfishness,
>> intemperance, hypocrisy, loudness, and cabbage.
>Agreed.
Including the bit about intemperance?
>Do you think they would continue if the group
>> were confined to your type of agenda?
>I don't have the agenda you imagine. I don't believe in being discourteous
>to people asking civil questions.
Nor do I.
>> Not at all -- check my posting record.
>I have Padraig; your sarcasm isn't reserved solely for me.
More bollocks. I don't use sarcasm.
>> Bollocks. I never attacked you. You attacked me. It's time for you to
>> apologise.
>I asked a completely simple question to which I received several civil and
>helpful answers. You were the first in with your incredibly sarcastic
>shrug.
How can you judge the nature of a shrug which is represented by a
single word? Even my elaboration didn't seem to work for you. So I'll
spell it out for you: you asked a bad question; Paris is a large city;
the idea of what constitutes a pub varies; the idea of reasonable
prices varies; tastes in beer vary. How can a question like that be
answered? So I delivered what I thought an appropriate response -- a
Gallic shrug. And then you mounted your high horse.
>Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.
No ****ing way. I didn't attack you.
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Aug 14th 2004, 2:02 am
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Re: Paris Beer
"Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> >Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.
>> >
>> No ****ing way.
>Let's agree to stay out of each other's way then.
Okay. I'm here.
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>> >Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.
>> >
>> No ****ing way.
>Let's agree to stay out of each other's way then.
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Aug 14th 2004, 2:56 am
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Re: Paris Beer
"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.
> >
> No ****ing way.
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Let's agree to stay out of each other's way then.
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> >Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.
> >
> No ****ing way.
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Let's agree to stay out of each other's way then.
Aug 14th 2004, 3:05 am
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Re: Paris Beer
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> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
> http://www.arendsnest.nl/index.htm
> >Over 400 beers from
> >specialist Dutch breweries (forget Heineken).
> A pity they haven't :-((
> How many of the beers are actually Heineken products?
> How many specialist Dutch brewers are there?
You might find your answer here, the Amsterdam Pub Guide.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/hollbrw1.htm
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> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
> http://www.arendsnest.nl/index.htm
> >Over 400 beers from
> >specialist Dutch breweries (forget Heineken).
> A pity they haven't :-((
> How many of the beers are actually Heineken products?
> How many specialist Dutch brewers are there?
You might find your answer here, the Amsterdam Pub Guide.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/hollbrw1.htm
Aug 14th 2004, 3:25 am
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Re: Paris Beer
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
>> http://www.arendsnest.nl/index.htm
>> >Over 400 beers from
>> >specialist Dutch breweries (forget Heineken).
>> A pity they haven't :-((
>> How many of the beers are actually Heineken products?
>> How many specialist Dutch brewers are there?
>You might find your answer here, the Amsterdam Pub Guide.
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/hollbrw1.htm
Thanks Mike. Is Heineken Pils really brewed to Reinheitsgebot?
<[email protected]> wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
>> http://www.arendsnest.nl/index.htm
>> >Over 400 beers from
>> >specialist Dutch breweries (forget Heineken).
>> A pity they haven't :-((
>> How many of the beers are actually Heineken products?
>> How many specialist Dutch brewers are there?
>You might find your answer here, the Amsterdam Pub Guide.
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/hollbrw1.htm
Thanks Mike. Is Heineken Pils really brewed to Reinheitsgebot?
Aug 14th 2004, 6:23 am
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Re: Paris Beer
Padraig Breathnach writes:
> True. And I imagine that the regulars in this group know more about
> your life than about mine.
They ask me more about my life than they ask about yours. Even so, I
don't say a great deal about myself, unless it's relevant to the thread.
> They wouldn't work very well that way. Who would be there to provide
> the answers?
People who read the group regularly. They don't have to be members of
the social club to do that.
> Mixi, you're trying to stir the pot.
There isn't any pot to stir, except among the "regulars" defending their
"turf."
> You talking about me?
Why do you ask?
> You give the impression of wanting to argue with me.
To whom?
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> True. And I imagine that the regulars in this group know more about
> your life than about mine.
They ask me more about my life than they ask about yours. Even so, I
don't say a great deal about myself, unless it's relevant to the thread.
> They wouldn't work very well that way. Who would be there to provide
> the answers?
People who read the group regularly. They don't have to be members of
the social club to do that.
> Mixi, you're trying to stir the pot.
There isn't any pot to stir, except among the "regulars" defending their
"turf."
> You talking about me?
Why do you ask?
> You give the impression of wanting to argue with me.
To whom?
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Aug 14th 2004, 7:34 am
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Re: Paris Beer
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>> True. And I imagine that the regulars in this group know more about
>> your life than about mine.
>They ask me more about my life than they ask about yours. Even so, I
>don't say a great deal about myself, unless it's relevant to the thread.
You wriggle. Most of your personal disclosures are unnecessary, and
generally relevant only to off-topic discussions. One usenet purity, I
suggest that you don't preach what you don't practise.
>> They wouldn't work very well that way. Who would be there to provide
>> the answers?
>People who read the group regularly. They don't have to be members of
>the social club to do that.
You suppose that they are there. I suppose that there are not that
many, and that if the group became a Q&A forum only, there would be
fewer.
>> Mixi, you're trying to stir the pot.
>There isn't any pot to stir, except among the "regulars" defending their
>"turf."
There you go again. Innuendo. Baseless innuendo.
>> You talking about me?
>Why do you ask?
Because I would like an answer. Let's save some time here: don't
bother asking why I would like an answer; just give one.
>> You give the impression of wanting to argue with me.
>To whom?
To me and, I imagine, to other readers.
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>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>> True. And I imagine that the regulars in this group know more about
>> your life than about mine.
>They ask me more about my life than they ask about yours. Even so, I
>don't say a great deal about myself, unless it's relevant to the thread.
You wriggle. Most of your personal disclosures are unnecessary, and
generally relevant only to off-topic discussions. One usenet purity, I
suggest that you don't preach what you don't practise.
>> They wouldn't work very well that way. Who would be there to provide
>> the answers?
>People who read the group regularly. They don't have to be members of
>the social club to do that.
You suppose that they are there. I suppose that there are not that
many, and that if the group became a Q&A forum only, there would be
fewer.
>> Mixi, you're trying to stir the pot.
>There isn't any pot to stir, except among the "regulars" defending their
>"turf."
There you go again. Innuendo. Baseless innuendo.
>> You talking about me?
>Why do you ask?
Because I would like an answer. Let's save some time here: don't
bother asking why I would like an answer; just give one.
>> You give the impression of wanting to argue with me.
>To whom?
To me and, I imagine, to other readers.
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Aug 14th 2004, 11:33 am
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Re: Paris Beer
Padraig Breathnach writes:
> You wriggle.
There's no need for me to "wriggle."
> Most of your personal disclosures are unnecessary, and
> generally relevant only to off-topic discussions. One usenet purity, I
> suggest that you don't preach what you don't practise.
So?
> You suppose that they are there.
The vast majority of people visiting any newsgroup are reading posts
only, not posting themselves.
> There you go again. Innuendo. Baseless innuendo.
You seem to have a personal investment in this. QED?
> Because I would like an answer. Let's save some time here: don't
> bother asking why I would like an answer; just give one.
Why do you care about an answer? Was your personal disclosure
necessary?
> To me and, I imagine, to other readers.
Don't imagine; ask.
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> You wriggle.
There's no need for me to "wriggle."
> Most of your personal disclosures are unnecessary, and
> generally relevant only to off-topic discussions. One usenet purity, I
> suggest that you don't preach what you don't practise.
So?
> You suppose that they are there.
The vast majority of people visiting any newsgroup are reading posts
only, not posting themselves.
> There you go again. Innuendo. Baseless innuendo.
You seem to have a personal investment in this. QED?
> Because I would like an answer. Let's save some time here: don't
> bother asking why I would like an answer; just give one.
Why do you care about an answer? Was your personal disclosure
necessary?
> To me and, I imagine, to other readers.
Don't imagine; ask.
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Aug 14th 2004, 1:15 pm
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Re: Paris Beer
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>> You wriggle.
>There's no need for me to "wriggle."
Of course there isn't. So why do it?
>> Most of your personal disclosures are unnecessary, and
>> generally relevant only to off-topic discussions. One usenet purity, I
>> suggest that you don't preach what you don't practise.
>So?
So will you be consistent?
>> You suppose that they are there.
>The vast majority of people visiting any newsgroup are reading posts
>only, not posting themselves.
How do you know that?
>> There you go again. Innuendo. Baseless innuendo.
>You seem to have a personal investment in this.
Goodness, no. But why do you play such silly games -- innuendo;
selective snipping; ducking questions by asking questions?
>QED?
QED what?
>> Because I would like an answer. Let's save some time here: don't
>> bother asking why I would like an answer; just give one.
>Why do you care about an answer? Was your personal disclosure
>necessary?
Why are you curious about my wanting an answer?
>> To me and, I imagine, to other readers.
>Don't imagine; ask.
They are free to say something or nothing.
It's time for you to bait somebody else. I'm not playing this game any
more.
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>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>> You wriggle.
>There's no need for me to "wriggle."
Of course there isn't. So why do it?
>> Most of your personal disclosures are unnecessary, and
>> generally relevant only to off-topic discussions. One usenet purity, I
>> suggest that you don't preach what you don't practise.
>So?
So will you be consistent?
>> You suppose that they are there.
>The vast majority of people visiting any newsgroup are reading posts
>only, not posting themselves.
How do you know that?
>> There you go again. Innuendo. Baseless innuendo.
>You seem to have a personal investment in this.
Goodness, no. But why do you play such silly games -- innuendo;
selective snipping; ducking questions by asking questions?
>QED?
QED what?
>> Because I would like an answer. Let's save some time here: don't
>> bother asking why I would like an answer; just give one.
>Why do you care about an answer? Was your personal disclosure
>necessary?
Why are you curious about my wanting an answer?
>> To me and, I imagine, to other readers.
>Don't imagine; ask.
They are free to say something or nothing.
It's time for you to bait somebody else. I'm not playing this game any
more.
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Aug 14th 2004, 10:46 pm
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Re: Paris Beer
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected].. .
> >> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
> >> http://www.arendsnest.nl/index.htm
> >>
> >> >Over 400 beers from
> >> >specialist Dutch breweries (forget Heineken).
> >>
> >> A pity they haven't :-((
> >>
> >> How many of the beers are actually Heineken products?
> >
> >> How many specialist Dutch brewers are there?
> >
> >You might find your answer here, the Amsterdam Pub Guide.
> >http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/hollbrw1.htm
> Thanks Mike. Is Heineken Pils really brewed to Reinheitsgebot?
Well, I'm not in any position to argue!
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> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:05:12 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected].. .
> >> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
> >> http://www.arendsnest.nl/index.htm
> >>
> >> >Over 400 beers from
> >> >specialist Dutch breweries (forget Heineken).
> >>
> >> A pity they haven't :-((
> >>
> >> How many of the beers are actually Heineken products?
> >
> >> How many specialist Dutch brewers are there?
> >
> >You might find your answer here, the Amsterdam Pub Guide.
> >http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/hollbrw1.htm
> Thanks Mike. Is Heineken Pils really brewed to Reinheitsgebot?
Well, I'm not in any position to argue!
Aug 15th 2004, 8:08 am
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Re: Paris Beer
Originally Posted by Gummo
Anyone know of any good pubs selling beer at reasonable prices in Paris?
Gummo
Gummo
