Tim Challenger

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:15:54 +0100, Padraig Breathnach wrote:
    > ...
    > 1. starting position: elbows by my side, forearms extended and
    > splayed, hands open, palms upward;
    > 2. movement: head inclines slightly to my right, slight haussement of
    > the shoulders, corresponding raising of the eyebrow.
    >
    > Gummo, when you get to Paris, you will encounter such responses.

<Grin>
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Tim C.

Gummo

A shrug can mean different things; in this context, rudeness was the result.

Gummo


"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:07:29 GMT, Gummo wrote:
    > > It's more than a Euro or two - more like three times the price than at
home.
    > > Gummo
    > Hence Padraig's shrug in answer to your question.
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    > Tim C.

Mike O'sullivan

"Colin McGarry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Gummo" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
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    > [email protected]...
    > > Anyone know of any good pubs selling beer at reasonable prices in Paris?
    > >
    > > Gummo
    > For good beer go to the north of England.

Or Amsterdam, yes really, t'Arendsnest, 90 Herengracht. Over 400 beers from
specialist Dutch breweries (forget Heineken).

Patrick Hernan

Try Sputnik

http://www.sputnik.fr/

Gummo wrote:

    > Anyone know of any good pubs selling beer at reasonable prices in Paris?
    >
    > Gummo
    >
    >

Gummo

Thanks Patrick for your civil reply.

Gummo

"Patrick Hernan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Try Sputnik
    > http://www.sputnik.fr/
    > Gummo wrote:
    > > Anyone know of any good pubs selling beer at reasonable prices in Paris?
    > >
    > > Gummo
    > >
    > >

Padraig Breathnach

"Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:

[Top-posting corrected -- knowing and using conventions is a useful
social skill.]


    >"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> Perhaps it is time for me to elaborate on my response.
    >> 1. starting position: elbows by my side, forearms extended and
    >> splayed, hands open, palms upward;
    >> 2. movement: head inclines slightly to my right, slight haussement of
    >> the shoulders, corresponding raising of the eyebrow.
    >> Gummo, when you get to Paris, you will encounter such responses.
    >I think what we're really evidencing is your terminally-ill social skills
    >through your tired, jaundiced key presses. Every newsgroup has your type:
    >smartass-but-stupid, waiting interminably for someone to ask a simple
    >question, blissfully ignoring the simple answers other subscribers return.
Wow. I am reprimanded, and in a devastating manner. I may need to
crawl back under my rock.

    >And, Padraig, it's just YOU who seems to have incurred more than your fair
    >share of Parisian shrugs.
How do you calculate what is a fair share? And how come nobody else
gets more than that? Not fair, that.

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Gummo

I think what we're really evidencing is your terminally-ill social skills
through your tired, jaundiced key presses. Every newsgroup has your type:
smartass-but-stupid, waiting interminably for someone to ask a simple
question, blissfully ignoring the simple answers other subscribers return.

And, Padraig, it's just YOU who seems to have incurred more than your fair
share of Parisian shrugs.

Gummo


"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Tim Challenger <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Thank you for making the charitable interpretation, Tim.
    > Perhaps it is time for me to elaborate on my response.
    > 1. starting position: elbows by my side, forearms extended and
    > splayed, hands open, palms upward;
    > 2. movement: head inclines slightly to my right, slight haussement of
    > the shoulders, corresponding raising of the eyebrow.
    > Gummo, when you get to Paris, you will encounter such responses.
    > --
    > PB
    > The return address has been MUNGED

nitram

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), "Mike O'sullivan"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Colin McGarry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> "Gummo" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
    >news:
    >> [email protected]...
    >> > Anyone know of any good pubs selling beer at reasonable prices in Paris?
    >> >
    >> > Gummo
    >> For good beer go to the north of England.

Yes! Start at Masham.

    >Or Amsterdam, yes really, t'Arendsnest, 90 Herengracht.

http://www.arendsnest.nl/index.htm

    >Over 400 beers from
    >specialist Dutch breweries (forget Heineken).

A pity they haven't :-((

How many of the beers are actually Heineken products?

http://www.arendsnest.nl/bierboek1.htm


How many specialist Dutch brewers are there?

Gummo

No, maybe learn a pinch of civility, get rid of your jaundice and maybe even
start making positive interactions.


"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:

I may need to crawl back under my rock.

Padraig Breathnach

"Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> "Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >I may need to crawl back under my rock.
    >No, maybe learn a pinch of civility, get rid of your jaundice and maybe even
    >start making positive interactions.
Gummo, cop yourself on.

I googled and checked your record in this group. You seem to wander in
when you are planning a trip, ask for free help, and then bugger off.
You even got free help from me in the past.

This group would not survive if people used it only as a service to
get information on transport from the airport to the city centre,
recommendations or opinions on particular hotels, or where to buy
beer. Why would those who might know the answers bother to come here
if it became such a joyless place as you seem to wish?

And it's a bad idea to attack people about whom you know next to
nothing. [Come to think of it, it's bad idea to attack people, no
matter how much you know about them.]

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Padraig Breathnach

"Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> "Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> I googled and checked your record in this group. You seem to wander in
    >> when you are planning a trip, ask for free help, and then bugger off.
    >> You even got free help from me in the past.
    >Padraig, however strange to you this may seem this is normal!
There are many "normal" things which I don't like: selfishness,
intemperance, hypocrisy, loudness, and cabbage.

I know about normality. I also understand the idea of active
participation, as distinct from using newsgroup members as unpaid
help. There are many people who are here, even when not planning a
trip. They contribute. Do you think they would continue if the group
were confined to your type of agenda?

    >> This group would not survive if people used it only as a service to
    >> get information on transport from the airport to the city centre,
    >> recommendations or opinions on particular hotels, or where to buy
    >> beer. Why would those who might know the answers bother to come here
    >> if it became such a joyless place as you seem to wish?
    >Again normal - you seem to be allergic to one of newsgroups' raisons d'être.
Not at all -- check my posting record. You seem to be allergic to one
of the reasons why people persist in this group: enjoyable engagement
with people.

    >> And it's a bad idea to attack people about whom you know next to
    >> nothing. [Come to think of it, it's bad idea to attack people, no
    >> matter how much you know about them.]
    >This is a heartening sign of improvement.
Bollocks. I never attacked you. You attacked me. It's time for you to
apologise.

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nitram

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:34:18 GMT, "Gummo"
<[email protected]> wrote:


    >I asked a completely simple question to which I received several civil and
    >helpful answers. You were the first in with your incredibly sarcastic
    >shrug. Apologise for that and we'll wipe the slate clean.

I think I'll use the plonk option.

Mxsmanic

Padraig Breathnach writes:

    > I also understand the idea of active participation,
    > as distinct from using newsgroup members as unpaid
    > help.

Newsgroups are not social clubs. There is no obligation to "actively
participate," and indeed, only those who mistake a newsgroup for the
local pub would think otherwise. Such people are easy to recognize
because they start posting about their personal lives and events,
oblivious to the topic of the group, and begin to behave as if they are
at a family barbecue instead of in a medium read by millions of
strangers around the world.

It's perfectly normal to enter a group, post a question, get a reply,
and leave. That's largely what newsgroups are for.

    > There are many people who are here, even when not planning a
    > trip. They contribute. Do you think they would continue if the group
    > were confined to your type of agenda?

Who cares? As I've said, this is a newsgroup, not a social club. The
only people who worry about "regulars" and "contributions" are the ones
who think they're chatting around a summer campfire. Often they post a
lot of useless and irrelevant messages, too ("Got a new car today!" "My
headache and bad weather," etc.). They seem to be the same people from
the low end of the curve who used to haunt CB radio (and now haunt
real-time chat systems like IRC or IM).

    > Not at all -- check my posting record. You seem to be allergic to one
    > of the reasons why people persist in this group: enjoyable engagement
    > with people.

That's not what newsgroups are for. Some people may use them that way,
and I suppose that's fine, but they are not being realistic if they
think that newsgroups are primarily coffee shops for tiny groups of
"regulars." Indeed, sometimes people with this attitude interfere with
the functioning of USENET, since they are far more interested in
shooting the breeze all day with their tiny cliques than with discussing
the nominal topics of the groups in an objective and open way. They
will try to harass and chase out anyone who isn't a member of the club.

    > Bollocks. I never attacked you. You attacked me. It's time for you to
    > apologise.

Another thing that these "regulars" tend to do is get into petty
playground arguments.

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Gummo

"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Gummo" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I googled and checked your record in this group. You seem to wander in
    > when you are planning a trip, ask for free help, and then bugger off.
    > You even got free help from me in the past.

Padraig, however strange to you this may seem this is normal!
    > This group would not survive if people used it only as a service to
    > get information on transport from the airport to the city centre,
    > recommendations or opinions on particular hotels, or where to buy
    > beer. Why would those who might know the answers bother to come here
    > if it became such a joyless place as you seem to wish?

Again normal - you seem to be allergic to one of newsgroups' raisons d'être.

    > And it's a bad idea to attack people about whom you know next to
    > nothing. [Come to think of it, it's bad idea to attack people, no
    > matter how much you know about them.]

This is a heartening sign of improvement.

Mxsmanic

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    > I think I'll use the plonk option.

So?

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