Ottoman history book?
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Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
group.
What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
"lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
Thanks in advance,
--
Dan Stephenson
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inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
group.
What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
"lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
Thanks in advance,
--
Dan Stephenson
Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
(remove nospam from email address to reply via email)
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Dan Stephenson wrote:
> Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
> inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
> Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
> got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
> that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
> group.
> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> Thanks in advance,
> --
> Dan Stephenson
> Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
> http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
> (remove nospam from email address to reply via email)
'the seven pillars of wisdom'
> Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
> inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
> Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
> got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
> that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
> group.
> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> Thanks in advance,
> --
> Dan Stephenson
> Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
> http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
> (remove nospam from email address to reply via email)
'the seven pillars of wisdom'
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On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
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>Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>'the seven pillars of wisdom'
Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
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wrote:
>Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>'the seven pillars of wisdom'
Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
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Martin wrote:
> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
> --
>
> Martin
who wrote that ?
> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
> --
>
> Martin
who wrote that ?
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On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>who wrote that ?
It says "Martin wrote".
A trick question or are you pissed again?
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wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>who wrote that ?
It says "Martin wrote".
A trick question or are you pissed again?
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Dan Stephenson should appreciate the help of you 2 notorious spammers.
i haven(t got the answer but the 2 piss me off.
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On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>who wrote that ?
It says "Martin wrote".
A trick question or are you pissed again?
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i haven(t got the answer but the 2 piss me off.
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On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>who wrote that ?
It says "Martin wrote".
A trick question or are you pissed again?
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Martin wrote:
> On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
> >>
> >> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> >> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> >> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> >>
> >> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
> >>
> >> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
> >who wrote that ?
> It says "Martin wrote".
> A trick question or are you pissed again?
> --
>
> Martin
Hick !
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> On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
> >>
> >> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> >> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> >> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> >>
> >> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
> >>
> >> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
> >who wrote that ?
> It says "Martin wrote".
> A trick question or are you pissed again?
> --
>
> Martin
Hick !
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On 26 Nov 2006 07:36:35 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >>
>> >> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> >>
>> >> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>> >who wrote that ?
>> It says "Martin wrote".
>> A trick question or are you pissed again?
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>Hick !
>http://www.mideastweb.org/turkeybib.htm
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wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >>
>> >> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> >>
>> >> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>> >who wrote that ?
>> It says "Martin wrote".
>> A trick question or are you pissed again?
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>Hick !
>http://www.mideastweb.org/turkeybib.htm
http://cgi.ebay.com/301-3PC-LEATHER-...QQcmdZViewItem
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cretin
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On 26 Nov 2006 07:36:35 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender"
>> >> <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >>
>> >> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> >>
>> >> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>> >who wrote that ?
>> It says "Martin wrote".
>> A trick question or are you pissed again?
>> --
>> Martin
>Hick !
>http://www.mideastweb.org/turkeybib.htm
http://cgi.ebay.com/301-3PC-LEATHER-...QQcmdZViewItem
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On 26 Nov 2006 07:36:35 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 06:20:50 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender"
>> >> <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >>
>> >> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> >>
>> >> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>> >who wrote that ?
>> It says "Martin wrote".
>> A trick question or are you pissed again?
>> --
>> Martin
>Hick !
>http://www.mideastweb.org/turkeybib.htm
http://cgi.ebay.com/301-3PC-LEATHER-...QQcmdZViewItem
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Martin wrote:
> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
Maybe, but even if he did, did he sit on my granny's Ottoman? I knew it
was old but I had no idea it was the subject of a history book!
B;
> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
Maybe, but even if he did, did he sit on my granny's Ottoman? I knew it
was old but I had no idea it was the subject of a history book!
B;
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On 26 Nov 2006 09:08:29 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>Maybe, but even if he did, did he sit on my granny's Ottoman? I knew it
>was old but I had no idea it was the subject of a history book!
Don't be flippant.
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>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>Maybe, but even if he did, did he sit on my granny's Ottoman? I knew it
>was old but I had no idea it was the subject of a history book!
Don't be flippant.
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is martin's goal to make funny jokes of every single post here ?
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On 26 Nov 2006 09:08:29 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>Maybe, but even if he did, did he sit on my granny's Ottoman? I knew it
>was old but I had no idea it was the subject of a history book!
Don't be flippant.
--
Martin
Whew !
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On 26 Nov 2006 09:08:29 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800, "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dan Stephenson wrote:
>> >> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>> >> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>> >> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>> >'the seven pillars of wisdom'
>> Did T E Lawrence go to Istanbul?
>Maybe, but even if he did, did he sit on my granny's Ottoman? I knew it
>was old but I had no idea it was the subject of a history book!
Don't be flippant.
--
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In article <[email protected] .com>,
[email protected] (Jeremy Bender) wrote:
> *From:* "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> *Date:* 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800
>
>
> Dan Stephenson wrote:
> > Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
> > inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
> > Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
> > got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
> > that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
> > group.
> >
> > What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> > improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> > "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > --
> > Dan Stephenson
> > Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
> > http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
> >
> > (remove nospam from email address to reply via email)
>
> 'the seven pillars of wisdom'
I don't think that would be particularly useful to the OP - while a
classic of its kind, it's a (to say the least) rather partial account of a
very brief period of history at the end of the Ottoman Empire (the time
around the First World War), and IIRC none of it actually takes place
anywhere near Istanbul.
Having said that, I don't have a suggestion myself - though Penguin's
histories are usually good. The OP might also consult the bibliography of
the Norwich volumes if there is one (obvious, I know, but easily
overlooked!).
[email protected] (Jeremy Bender) wrote:
> *From:* "Jeremy Bender" <[email protected]>
> *Date:* 26 Nov 2006 05:52:55 -0800
>
>
> Dan Stephenson wrote:
> > Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
> > inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
> > Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
> > got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
> > that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
> > group.
> >
> > What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> > improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> > "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > --
> > Dan Stephenson
> > Photos, movies, panos from the Europe, USA, plus N.Z.:
> > http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
> >
> > (remove nospam from email address to reply via email)
>
> 'the seven pillars of wisdom'
I don't think that would be particularly useful to the OP - while a
classic of its kind, it's a (to say the least) rather partial account of a
very brief period of history at the end of the Ottoman Empire (the time
around the First World War), and IIRC none of it actually takes place
anywhere near Istanbul.
Having said that, I don't have a suggestion myself - though Penguin's
histories are usually good. The OP might also consult the bibliography of
the Norwich volumes if there is one (obvious, I know, but easily
overlooked!).
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:40:52 GMT, Dan Stephenson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
>inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
>Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
>got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
>that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
>group.
>What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>"lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>Thanks in advance,
Maybe out of print, but try "Turkey - A Short History" by Roderic H
Davison (Eothen Press, Beverley UK ) ISBN 0 9067 19 03 8
"Istanbul - Memories of a City" by Orhan Pamuk (London: Faber & Faber
2005) ISBN 978 0 571 21833 2
Keith, Bristol, UK
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
>inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
>Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
>got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
>that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
>group.
>What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
>improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
>"lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
>Thanks in advance,
Maybe out of print, but try "Turkey - A Short History" by Roderic H
Davison (Eothen Press, Beverley UK ) ISBN 0 9067 19 03 8
"Istanbul - Memories of a City" by Orhan Pamuk (London: Faber & Faber
2005) ISBN 978 0 571 21833 2
Keith, Bristol, UK
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Dan Stephenson wrote:
> Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
> inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
> Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
> got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
> that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
> group.
> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
Istanbul - Memories of a City" by Orhan Pamuk
Stamboul Sketches by John Freely
The Ottoman Centuries by Lord Kinross
Ataturk by Lord Kinross
Constantinople by Philip Mansell
Srolling Through Istanbul by John Freely & Hilary Sumner-Boyd
> Hello, I am travelling to Istanbul for two weeks in April after being
> inspired by John Jules Norwich's three volume history on the Byzantine
> Empire. I look forward to seeing the relics of that age in person. I
> got turned on to Norwich after a recommendation for his Venice book
> that accompanied me to that detection, a recommendation I got on this
> group.
> What do you recommend in the way of Ottoman history books that would
> improve my experience in Istanbul? I particularly like the
> "lay-history, but depthful" approach Norwich takes.
Istanbul - Memories of a City" by Orhan Pamuk
Stamboul Sketches by John Freely
The Ottoman Centuries by Lord Kinross
Ataturk by Lord Kinross
Constantinople by Philip Mansell
Srolling Through Istanbul by John Freely & Hilary Sumner-Boyd