OT: Last one out of the US turn off the light
Jan 23rd 2005, 10:46 pm
#76
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
In article
<1gqw4cm.128enmq1x121r0N%this_address_is_for_spam@ yahoo.com>,
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
> > A single unsourced official for the "45 min" statement, that was known
> > not to be factual... but reported anyway....
>
> You're being very sloppy in your choice of words here. What are you
> saying, especially by 'known not to be factual'? If you can be clearer,
> then I can perhaps argue with what you're saying. (There is very little
> in Gilligan's R4 interview which is incorrect.)
In his testimony to Hutton he said he knew the statement was "probably"
not true at the time of airing... only calling this guy a 'liar', which
the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
jay
Mon Jan 24, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
> I'd also point out that it was never alleged by the BBC that the source
> was anything other than 'single.'
<1gqw4cm.128enmq1x121r0N%this_address_is_for_spam@ yahoo.com>,
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
> > A single unsourced official for the "45 min" statement, that was known
> > not to be factual... but reported anyway....
>
> You're being very sloppy in your choice of words here. What are you
> saying, especially by 'known not to be factual'? If you can be clearer,
> then I can perhaps argue with what you're saying. (There is very little
> in Gilligan's R4 interview which is incorrect.)
In his testimony to Hutton he said he knew the statement was "probably"
not true at the time of airing... only calling this guy a 'liar', which
the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
jay
Mon Jan 24, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
> I'd also point out that it was never alleged by the BBC that the source
> was anything other than 'single.'
Jan 23rd 2005, 11:14 pm
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Following up to nitram
>>Where were the BBC shown to be lying?
>Around the time they fired Andrew Gilligan.
In that case I would say they were not lying, the government got
away with murder, some might say literally.
>Much of their reporting is wrong, especially on technical and
>scientific matters.
No doubt they make technical errors on occasion, but I think
"much of their reporting is wrong" is an overstatement.
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>>Where were the BBC shown to be lying?
>Around the time they fired Andrew Gilligan.
In that case I would say they were not lying, the government got
away with murder, some might say literally.
>Much of their reporting is wrong, especially on technical and
>scientific matters.
No doubt they make technical errors on occasion, but I think
"much of their reporting is wrong" is an overstatement.
--
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Jan 23rd 2005, 11:14 pm
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>> Being wrong is not the same as lying.
>Inaccuracy in reporting, especially when it pertains to one's 'special'
>subject(s) is nothing new. I rarely read or hear reports on the few
>things I know a bit about where I feel an entirely accurate picture has
>been presented, but that's as much a reflection of the blunt instrument
>approach which news often has to take in order to present itself to a
>wider audience as anything else.
and its not unique or specially applicable to the BBC.
--
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>> Being wrong is not the same as lying.
>Inaccuracy in reporting, especially when it pertains to one's 'special'
>subject(s) is nothing new. I rarely read or hear reports on the few
>things I know a bit about where I feel an entirely accurate picture has
>been presented, but that's as much a reflection of the blunt instrument
>approach which news often has to take in order to present itself to a
>wider audience as anything else.
and its not unique or specially applicable to the BBC.
--
Mike Reid
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Jan 23rd 2005, 11:43 pm
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:14:09 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to nitram
>>>Where were the BBC shown to be lying?
>>Around the time they fired Andrew Gilligan.
>In that case I would say they were not lying, the government got
>away with murder, some might say literally.
>>Much of their reporting is wrong, especially on technical and
>>scientific matters.
>No doubt they make technical errors on occasion, but I think
>"much of their reporting is wrong" is an overstatement.
Unless one knows the technical or scientific background one can't
judge.
I have seen some of the technical handouts. There's no excuse for not
being able to copy simple facts, even if such things aren't very
exciting.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to nitram
>>>Where were the BBC shown to be lying?
>>Around the time they fired Andrew Gilligan.
>In that case I would say they were not lying, the government got
>away with murder, some might say literally.
>>Much of their reporting is wrong, especially on technical and
>>scientific matters.
>No doubt they make technical errors on occasion, but I think
>"much of their reporting is wrong" is an overstatement.
Unless one knows the technical or scientific background one can't
judge.
I have seen some of the technical handouts. There's no excuse for not
being able to copy simple facts, even if such things aren't very
exciting.
--
Martin
Jan 23rd 2005, 11:44 pm
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Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <1gqw4cm.128enmq1x121r0N%this_address_is_for_spam@ yahoo.com>,
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > []
> > > A single unsourced official for the "45 min" statement, that was known
> > > not to be factual... but reported anyway....
> >
> > You're being very sloppy in your choice of words here. What are you
> > saying, especially by 'known not to be factual'? If you can be clearer,
> > then I can perhaps argue with what you're saying. (There is very little
> > in Gilligan's R4 interview which is incorrect.)
>
> In his testimony to Hutton he said he knew the statement was "probably"
> not true at the time of airing...
It's a trivial exercise to search for the word "probably" in the
transcripts. Please quote exactly what you are referring to from his
testimony.
> only calling this guy a 'liar', which
> the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
Indeed. The PM is seen on television saying that he did not authorise
the release of Kelly's name to the press, and the inquiry shows clearly
that he did, in fact, authorise the name. There was no scope in the
inquiry to cross-examine the PM on this. Yes, indeed, a man is dead, and
he was completely shafted by the MoD and the rest of the government.
Gilligan is not blameless in this- but the government is exponentially
more culpable in their shabby treatment of Kelly. This was not a point
lost on the UK public.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> In article
> <1gqw4cm.128enmq1x121r0N%this_address_is_for_spam@ yahoo.com>,
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > []
> > > A single unsourced official for the "45 min" statement, that was known
> > > not to be factual... but reported anyway....
> >
> > You're being very sloppy in your choice of words here. What are you
> > saying, especially by 'known not to be factual'? If you can be clearer,
> > then I can perhaps argue with what you're saying. (There is very little
> > in Gilligan's R4 interview which is incorrect.)
>
> In his testimony to Hutton he said he knew the statement was "probably"
> not true at the time of airing...
It's a trivial exercise to search for the word "probably" in the
transcripts. Please quote exactly what you are referring to from his
testimony.
> only calling this guy a 'liar', which
> the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
Indeed. The PM is seen on television saying that he did not authorise
the release of Kelly's name to the press, and the inquiry shows clearly
that he did, in fact, authorise the name. There was no scope in the
inquiry to cross-examine the PM on this. Yes, indeed, a man is dead, and
he was completely shafted by the MoD and the rest of the government.
Gilligan is not blameless in this- but the government is exponentially
more culpable in their shabby treatment of Kelly. This was not a point
lost on the UK public.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 23rd 2005, 11:44 pm
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:14:10 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>>> Being wrong is not the same as lying.
>>Inaccuracy in reporting, especially when it pertains to one's 'special'
>>subject(s) is nothing new. I rarely read or hear reports on the few
>>things I know a bit about where I feel an entirely accurate picture has
>>been presented, but that's as much a reflection of the blunt instrument
>>approach which news often has to take in order to present itself to a
>>wider audience as anything else.
>and its not unique or specially applicable to the BBC.
but the BBC used to have much higher reporting standards than
elsewhere.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>>> Being wrong is not the same as lying.
>>Inaccuracy in reporting, especially when it pertains to one's 'special'
>>subject(s) is nothing new. I rarely read or hear reports on the few
>>things I know a bit about where I feel an entirely accurate picture has
>>been presented, but that's as much a reflection of the blunt instrument
>>approach which news often has to take in order to present itself to a
>>wider audience as anything else.
>and its not unique or specially applicable to the BBC.
but the BBC used to have much higher reporting standards than
elsewhere.
--
Martin
Jan 24th 2005, 12:27 am
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>> only calling this guy a 'liar', which
>> the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
>Indeed. The PM is seen on television saying that he did not authorise
>the release of Kelly's name to the press, and the inquiry shows clearly
>that he did, in fact, authorise the name. There was no scope in the
>inquiry to cross-examine the PM on this. Yes, indeed, a man is dead, and
>he was completely shafted by the MoD and the rest of the government.
>Gilligan is not blameless in this- but the government is exponentially
>more culpable in their shabby treatment of Kelly. This was not a point
>lost on the UK public.
you could see the guilt on Blairs face when he was on TV soon
after being told Kelly was dead.
--
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>> only calling this guy a 'liar', which
>> the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
>Indeed. The PM is seen on television saying that he did not authorise
>the release of Kelly's name to the press, and the inquiry shows clearly
>that he did, in fact, authorise the name. There was no scope in the
>inquiry to cross-examine the PM on this. Yes, indeed, a man is dead, and
>he was completely shafted by the MoD and the rest of the government.
>Gilligan is not blameless in this- but the government is exponentially
>more culpable in their shabby treatment of Kelly. This was not a point
>lost on the UK public.
you could see the guilt on Blairs face when he was on TV soon
after being told Kelly was dead.
--
Mike Reid
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Jan 24th 2005, 12:29 am
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>
> >> only calling this guy a 'liar', which
> >> the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
> >
> >Indeed. The PM is seen on television saying that he did not authorise
> >the release of Kelly's name to the press, and the inquiry shows clearly
> >that he did, in fact, authorise the name. There was no scope in the
> >inquiry to cross-examine the PM on this. Yes, indeed, a man is dead, and
> >he was completely shafted by the MoD and the rest of the government.
> >Gilligan is not blameless in this- but the government is exponentially
> >more culpable in their shabby treatment of Kelly. This was not a point
> >lost on the UK public.
>
> you could see the guilt on Blairs face when he was on TV soon
> after being told Kelly was dead.
Unfortunately, when it comes to Blair, that's about the _only_ chance we
ever have to see it.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>
> >> only calling this guy a 'liar', which
> >> the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
> >
> >Indeed. The PM is seen on television saying that he did not authorise
> >the release of Kelly's name to the press, and the inquiry shows clearly
> >that he did, in fact, authorise the name. There was no scope in the
> >inquiry to cross-examine the PM on this. Yes, indeed, a man is dead, and
> >he was completely shafted by the MoD and the rest of the government.
> >Gilligan is not blameless in this- but the government is exponentially
> >more culpable in their shabby treatment of Kelly. This was not a point
> >lost on the UK public.
>
> you could see the guilt on Blairs face when he was on TV soon
> after being told Kelly was dead.
Unfortunately, when it comes to Blair, that's about the _only_ chance we
ever have to see it.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 24th 2005, 12:38 am
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:27:19 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>>> only calling this guy a 'liar', which
>>> the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
>>Indeed. The PM is seen on television saying that he did not authorise
>>the release of Kelly's name to the press, and the inquiry shows clearly
>>that he did, in fact, authorise the name. There was no scope in the
>>inquiry to cross-examine the PM on this. Yes, indeed, a man is dead, and
>>he was completely shafted by the MoD and the rest of the government.
>>Gilligan is not blameless in this- but the government is exponentially
>>more culpable in their shabby treatment of Kelly. This was not a point
>>lost on the UK public.
>you could see the guilt on Blairs face when he was on TV soon
>after being told Kelly was dead.
You could?
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>>> only calling this guy a 'liar', which
>>> the PM's office has done, is being generous... a man is dead.
>>Indeed. The PM is seen on television saying that he did not authorise
>>the release of Kelly's name to the press, and the inquiry shows clearly
>>that he did, in fact, authorise the name. There was no scope in the
>>inquiry to cross-examine the PM on this. Yes, indeed, a man is dead, and
>>he was completely shafted by the MoD and the rest of the government.
>>Gilligan is not blameless in this- but the government is exponentially
>>more culpable in their shabby treatment of Kelly. This was not a point
>>lost on the UK public.
>you could see the guilt on Blairs face when he was on TV soon
>after being told Kelly was dead.
You could?
--
Martin
Jan 24th 2005, 12:49 am
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:06:51 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>I think the ownership and operation of the broadcast media
>>>constitutes a real threat to effective democracy in the west.
>>>Look at Italy. Look at Fox.
>>Look at the Beeb, and the fuss over the reporting of the death of Dr.
>>Kelly. In essence, the government got rid of the Chairman and the DG
>>over a badly-chosen phrase: "sexed-up",
>Yes, a bad affair all round. I thought the report blaming the BBC
>was a farce. Especially as history has shown the Blair position
>was wrong.
Was recently in the audience for BBC Radio 4's "Any Questions" when it
came to a Bristol suburb. Andrew Gilligan was on the panel, and "New"
Labour was represented by Trade and Industry Minister Jacqui Smith.
Predictably enough, questions on Iraq were raised - and Gilligan ran
rings around Jacqui Smith. If body language was anything to go by,
Gilligan was relaxed and confident, Jacqui Smith squirmed in her seat.
She also pronounced "the" and"a" as "thee" and "ay" which made her
sound false. There was no doubt who the audience believed.
Ownsership of broadcast media is a moot point - in the same week,
massive redundancies were announced at the BBC. Softening it up for
privatisation, perhaps? Hope it doesn't end up in the grubby paws of
Global Conglomerates Inc.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>>I think the ownership and operation of the broadcast media
>>>constitutes a real threat to effective democracy in the west.
>>>Look at Italy. Look at Fox.
>>Look at the Beeb, and the fuss over the reporting of the death of Dr.
>>Kelly. In essence, the government got rid of the Chairman and the DG
>>over a badly-chosen phrase: "sexed-up",
>Yes, a bad affair all round. I thought the report blaming the BBC
>was a farce. Especially as history has shown the Blair position
>was wrong.
Was recently in the audience for BBC Radio 4's "Any Questions" when it
came to a Bristol suburb. Andrew Gilligan was on the panel, and "New"
Labour was represented by Trade and Industry Minister Jacqui Smith.
Predictably enough, questions on Iraq were raised - and Gilligan ran
rings around Jacqui Smith. If body language was anything to go by,
Gilligan was relaxed and confident, Jacqui Smith squirmed in her seat.
She also pronounced "the" and"a" as "thee" and "ay" which made her
sound false. There was no doubt who the audience believed.
Ownsership of broadcast media is a moot point - in the same week,
massive redundancies were announced at the BBC. Softening it up for
privatisation, perhaps? Hope it doesn't end up in the grubby paws of
Global Conglomerates Inc.
Jan 24th 2005, 1:03 am
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Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:06:51 +0000, The Reids
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Following up to Padraig Breathnach
> >
> >>>I think the ownership and operation of the broadcast media
> >>>constitutes a real threat to effective democracy in the west.
> >>>Look at Italy. Look at Fox.
> >>
> >>Look at the Beeb, and the fuss over the reporting of the death of Dr.
> >>Kelly. In essence, the government got rid of the Chairman and the DG
> >>over a badly-chosen phrase: "sexed-up",
> >
> >Yes, a bad affair all round. I thought the report blaming the BBC
> >was a farce. Especially as history has shown the Blair position
> >was wrong.
>
> Was recently in the audience for BBC Radio 4's "Any Questions" when it
> came to a Bristol suburb.
Oh, I heard that programme, and still remember it. (Thought about it in
this thread in fact!)
> Andrew Gilligan was on the panel, and "New"
> Labour was represented by Trade and Industry Minister Jacqui Smith.
> Predictably enough, questions on Iraq were raised - and Gilligan ran
> rings around Jacqui Smith. If body language was anything to go by,
> Gilligan was relaxed and confident, Jacqui Smith squirmed in her seat.
> She also pronounced "the" and"a" as "thee" and "ay" which made her
> sound false. There was no doubt who the audience believed.
Even just listening to it, this was quite clear.
The country went to war and was partly responsible for killing tens of
thousands of people, on the basis of flawed intelligence, and worse, the
selective use of intelligence to make a flimsy case for it. This puts in
perspective the governments outrage at a few sloppy comments made by a
reporter at 6.07 am one weekday morning.
There is a transcript of the show at-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/any...transcript.pdf
but it doesn't give the sense of the audience reaction etc.-
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:06:51 +0000, The Reids
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Following up to Padraig Breathnach
> >
> >>>I think the ownership and operation of the broadcast media
> >>>constitutes a real threat to effective democracy in the west.
> >>>Look at Italy. Look at Fox.
> >>
> >>Look at the Beeb, and the fuss over the reporting of the death of Dr.
> >>Kelly. In essence, the government got rid of the Chairman and the DG
> >>over a badly-chosen phrase: "sexed-up",
> >
> >Yes, a bad affair all round. I thought the report blaming the BBC
> >was a farce. Especially as history has shown the Blair position
> >was wrong.
>
> Was recently in the audience for BBC Radio 4's "Any Questions" when it
> came to a Bristol suburb.
Oh, I heard that programme, and still remember it. (Thought about it in
this thread in fact!)
> Andrew Gilligan was on the panel, and "New"
> Labour was represented by Trade and Industry Minister Jacqui Smith.
> Predictably enough, questions on Iraq were raised - and Gilligan ran
> rings around Jacqui Smith. If body language was anything to go by,
> Gilligan was relaxed and confident, Jacqui Smith squirmed in her seat.
> She also pronounced "the" and"a" as "thee" and "ay" which made her
> sound false. There was no doubt who the audience believed.
Even just listening to it, this was quite clear.
The country went to war and was partly responsible for killing tens of
thousands of people, on the basis of flawed intelligence, and worse, the
selective use of intelligence to make a flimsy case for it. This puts in
perspective the governments outrage at a few sloppy comments made by a
reporter at 6.07 am one weekday morning.
There is a transcript of the show at-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/any...transcript.pdf
but it doesn't give the sense of the audience reaction etc.-
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 24th 2005, 1:24 am
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Frank Clarke wrote:
>
> Was it H L Mencken who said "You'll never go broke underestimating the
> intelligence of the American people" ?
P.T. Barnum, actually.
-- Ron
>
> Was it H L Mencken who said "You'll never go broke underestimating the
> intelligence of the American people" ?
P.T. Barnum, actually.
-- Ron
Jan 24th 2005, 1:24 am
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Michael wrote:
>
> "Mika" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> > As quoted in the article:
> > "The vociferous, increasingly intolerant right-wing commentator Ann
> > Coulter said recently on Fox News: "It's always the worst Americans who
> > end up going [to Canada] - the Tories after the Revolutionary War, the
> > Vietnam draft-dodgers after Vietnam. And now, after this election, you
> > have the blue-state people moving up there. They better hope the United
> > States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we
> > allow them to exist on the same continent."
> >
>
> These comments sounds like the deranged rantings of a lunatic. However
> people who compare the current US government to the Nazis etc. are just as
> stupid.
Where did I mention the US gummint in my post?
M
>
> "Mika" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> > As quoted in the article:
> > "The vociferous, increasingly intolerant right-wing commentator Ann
> > Coulter said recently on Fox News: "It's always the worst Americans who
> > end up going [to Canada] - the Tories after the Revolutionary War, the
> > Vietnam draft-dodgers after Vietnam. And now, after this election, you
> > have the blue-state people moving up there. They better hope the United
> > States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we
> > allow them to exist on the same continent."
> >
>
> These comments sounds like the deranged rantings of a lunatic. However
> people who compare the current US government to the Nazis etc. are just as
> stupid.
Where did I mention the US gummint in my post?
M
Jan 24th 2005, 1:44 am
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:24:20 +0100, Mika wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>>
>> "Mika" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>>
>>> As quoted in the article:
>>> "The vociferous, increasingly intolerant right-wing commentator Ann
>>> Coulter said recently on Fox News: "It's always the worst Americans who
>>> end up going [to Canada] - the Tories after the Revolutionary War, the
>>> Vietnam draft-dodgers after Vietnam. And now, after this election, you
>>> have the blue-state people moving up there. They better hope the United
>>> States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we
>>> allow them to exist on the same continent."
>>
>> These comments sounds like the deranged rantings of a lunatic. However
>> people who compare the current US government to the Nazis etc. are just as
>> stupid.
>
> Where did I mention the US gummint in my post?
>
> M
Nowhere and neither did Evelyn imply you did. She was simply making a
comparison.
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Tim C.
> Michael wrote:
>>
>> "Mika" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>>
>>> As quoted in the article:
>>> "The vociferous, increasingly intolerant right-wing commentator Ann
>>> Coulter said recently on Fox News: "It's always the worst Americans who
>>> end up going [to Canada] - the Tories after the Revolutionary War, the
>>> Vietnam draft-dodgers after Vietnam. And now, after this election, you
>>> have the blue-state people moving up there. They better hope the United
>>> States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we
>>> allow them to exist on the same continent."
>>
>> These comments sounds like the deranged rantings of a lunatic. However
>> people who compare the current US government to the Nazis etc. are just as
>> stupid.
>
> Where did I mention the US gummint in my post?
>
> M
Nowhere and neither did Evelyn imply you did. She was simply making a
comparison.
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Tim C.
Jan 24th 2005, 1:47 am
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:34:41 +0000, chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
th' barn wrote:
> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>> We know you have never set foot in the U.S.,
>
> Well, I have. I lived there. Fox news is truly awful. It makes Murdoch's
> Sky News in the UK seem sublime by comparison- and I don't think that
> much about Sky either.
According to a poster a few months ago it makes CNN International look
left-wing.
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Tim C.
th' barn wrote:
> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>> We know you have never set foot in the U.S.,
>
> Well, I have. I lived there. Fox news is truly awful. It makes Murdoch's
> Sky News in the UK seem sublime by comparison- and I don't think that
> much about Sky either.
According to a poster a few months ago it makes CNN International look
left-wing.
--
Tim C.
