OT: Last one out of the US turn off the light
Jan 21st 2005, 10:34 pm
#31
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On 2005-01-22 12:30:44 +0100, The Reids <[email protected]> said:
> Following up to The Rev Gaston
>>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
>>
>> Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>> a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>
> I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
That, my friend, is your big mistake. Broadcast media are a product,
tailored for a market. In the US the brainless bigot market is
particularly lucrative. Ergo, Fox.
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> Following up to The Rev Gaston
>>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
>>
>> Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>> a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>
> I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
That, my friend, is your big mistake. Broadcast media are a product,
tailored for a market. In the US the brainless bigot market is
particularly lucrative. Ergo, Fox.
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Jan 21st 2005, 10:44 pm
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to The Rev Gaston
>>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
>>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to The Rev Gaston
>>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
>>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
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Martin
Jan 21st 2005, 11:04 pm
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0000, The Reids
... <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Following up to The Rev Gaston
... >
... >>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
... >>
... >>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
... >>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
... >
... >I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
...
... You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
I thought Mike was being ironic.
some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0000, The Reids
... <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Following up to The Rev Gaston
... >
... >>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
... >>
... >>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
... >>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
... >
... >I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
...
... You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
I thought Mike was being ironic.
Jan 21st 2005, 11:21 pm
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:29 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0000, The Reids
> ... <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >Following up to The Rev Gaston
> ... >
> ... >>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
> ... >>
> ... >>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
> ... >>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
> ... >
> ... >I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
> ...
> ... You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
>I thought Mike was being ironic.
Perhaps. It's hard to tell some days.
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Martin
wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0000, The Reids
> ... <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> ... >Following up to The Rev Gaston
> ... >
> ... >>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
> ... >>
> ... >>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
> ... >>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
> ... >
> ... >I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
> ...
> ... You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
>I thought Mike was being ironic.
Perhaps. It's hard to tell some days.
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Martin
Jan 21st 2005, 11:23 pm
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
In article <[email protected]>, The Rev Gaston
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2005-01-22 12:30:44 +0100, The Reids <[email protected]> said:
>
> > Following up to The Rev Gaston
> >>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
> >>
> >> Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
> >> a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
> >
> > I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
>
> That, my friend, is your big mistake. Broadcast media are a product,
> tailored for a market. In the US the brainless bigot market is
> particularly lucrative. Ergo, Fox.
You clearly have trouble with commentary versus hard news, but it is
understandable... Friday's front page of Le Monde had a cartoon on it.
The Right to political speech is protected in the U.S., no mater what
the content is, as is the Right to rebut that speech. Moreover,
reporters are not subject licence granted by the state.
jay
Sat Jan 22, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2005-01-22 12:30:44 +0100, The Reids <[email protected]> said:
>
> > Following up to The Rev Gaston
> >>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
> >>
> >> Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
> >> a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
> >
> > I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
>
> That, my friend, is your big mistake. Broadcast media are a product,
> tailored for a market. In the US the brainless bigot market is
> particularly lucrative. Ergo, Fox.
You clearly have trouble with commentary versus hard news, but it is
understandable... Friday's front page of Le Monde had a cartoon on it.
The Right to political speech is protected in the U.S., no mater what
the content is, as is the Right to rebut that speech. Moreover,
reporters are not subject licence granted by the state.
jay
Sat Jan 22, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
Jan 22nd 2005, 4:21 am
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:21:47 +0100, nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:29 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
>>some electrons, so they looked like this :
>> ... On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0000, The Reids
>> ... <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ...
>> ... >Following up to The Rev Gaston
>> ... >
>> ... >>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
>> ... >>
>> ... >>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>> ... >>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>> ... >
>> ... >I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
>> ...
>> ... You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
>>I thought Mike was being ironic.
>Perhaps. It's hard to tell some days.
When done properly.
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>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:29 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:37 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
>>some electrons, so they looked like this :
>> ... On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:30:44 +0000, The Reids
>> ... <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ...
>> ... >Following up to The Rev Gaston
>> ... >
>> ... >>> sad to have a major media source spouting such views
>> ... >>
>> ... >>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>> ... >>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>> ... >
>> ... >I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
>> ...
>> ... You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
>>I thought Mike was being ironic.
>Perhaps. It's hard to tell some days.
When done properly.
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Jan 22nd 2005, 6:09 am
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
> Michael wrote:
>
>> "Mika" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>>> As quoted in the article:
>>> "The vociferous, increasingly intolerant right-wing commentator Ann
>>> Coulter said recently on Fox News: "It's always the worst Americans who
>>> end up going [to Canada] - the Tories after the Revolutionary War, the
>>> Vietnam draft-dodgers after Vietnam. And now, after this election, you
>>> have the blue-state people moving up there. They better hope the United
>>> States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we
>>> allow them to exist on the same continent."
>> These comments sounds like the deranged rantings of a lunatic. However
>> people who compare the current US government to the Nazis etc. are
>> just as stupid.
>
>
> I fully agree! (So why did you attribute the post to me????)
>
>
>
He didn't really. The reference is clearly to Mika from the number of
prefixes. What he did is leave in your citation while removing
everything that Mika quoted from you. At least be grateful that he left
in Mika's citation.
>
>
> Michael wrote:
>
>> "Mika" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>>> As quoted in the article:
>>> "The vociferous, increasingly intolerant right-wing commentator Ann
>>> Coulter said recently on Fox News: "It's always the worst Americans who
>>> end up going [to Canada] - the Tories after the Revolutionary War, the
>>> Vietnam draft-dodgers after Vietnam. And now, after this election, you
>>> have the blue-state people moving up there. They better hope the United
>>> States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we
>>> allow them to exist on the same continent."
>> These comments sounds like the deranged rantings of a lunatic. However
>> people who compare the current US government to the Nazis etc. are
>> just as stupid.
>
>
> I fully agree! (So why did you attribute the post to me????)
>
>
>
He didn't really. The reference is clearly to Mika from the number of
prefixes. What he did is leave in your citation while removing
everything that Mika quoted from you. At least be grateful that he left
in Mika's citation.
Jan 22nd 2005, 7:13 am
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:27:24 +0000, The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
<[email protected]>
>US is so far to the right that the ultra right think people who
>would probably be on the right in Europe are considered left
>wing!
The single-line right-left paradigm for political opinion is probably inadequate
in times such as these. People think of Hitler as right-wing and Stalin as
left-wing, but we wouldn't want either in charge of government. Probably the
scheme that makes the most sense is at http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html
(change Arabic number to Roman numeral to email)
<[email protected]>
>US is so far to the right that the ultra right think people who
>would probably be on the right in Europe are considered left
>wing!
The single-line right-left paradigm for political opinion is probably inadequate
in times such as these. People think of Hitler as right-wing and Stalin as
left-wing, but we wouldn't want either in charge of government. Probably the
scheme that makes the most sense is at http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html
(change Arabic number to Roman numeral to email)
Jan 22nd 2005, 7:14 am
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
nitram wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:47:14 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Red" was communist in the U.S., too - SFAIK until the run
>>up to this last election, when suddenly "blue" states were
>>Democrat and "red" were Republican. Given the quasi-fascist
>>views of so many Republicans, many of us find the irony amusing!
>
>
> Fascists like red too.
I'd forgotten what the Nazi banner looked like - you're right!
>
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:47:14 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>"Red" was communist in the U.S., too - SFAIK until the run
>>up to this last election, when suddenly "blue" states were
>>Democrat and "red" were Republican. Given the quasi-fascist
>>views of so many Republicans, many of us find the irony amusing!
>
>
> Fascists like red too.
I'd forgotten what the Nazi banner looked like - you're right!
>
Jan 22nd 2005, 7:17 am
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to The Rev Gaston
>
>
>>>sad to have a major media source spouting such views
>>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>
>
> I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
Faint hope of that, in today's America! (But rather than
emigrating, those of us who perceive the problem should be
working to correct it.)
> Following up to The Rev Gaston
>
>
>>>sad to have a major media source spouting such views
>>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>
>
> I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
Faint hope of that, in today's America! (But rather than
emigrating, those of us who perceive the problem should be
working to correct it.)
Jan 22nd 2005, 7:27 am
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
The Reids wrote:
> Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>
>
>>"Red" was communist in the U.S., too - SFAIK until the run
>>up to this last election, when suddenly "blue" states were
>>Democrat and "red" were Republican. Given the quasi-fascist
>>views of so many Republicans, many of us find the irony amusing!
>
>
> right, its new from the TV maps. There is a belief that stupid
> people prefer red, intelligent blue. so a little joke?
If only it were merely a joking matter! (Of course, you are
fortunate enough not to live here.) GWB's saber-rattling
seems to be turning toward Iran, after that probably North
Korea - if we survive them, who's next? (If we continue to
"extend the benefits of democracy" on such a scale, does
anyone REALLY believe the "draft" will not soon be reinstated?)
> Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>
>
>>"Red" was communist in the U.S., too - SFAIK until the run
>>up to this last election, when suddenly "blue" states were
>>Democrat and "red" were Republican. Given the quasi-fascist
>>views of so many Republicans, many of us find the irony amusing!
>
>
> right, its new from the TV maps. There is a belief that stupid
> people prefer red, intelligent blue. so a little joke?
If only it were merely a joking matter! (Of course, you are
fortunate enough not to live here.) GWB's saber-rattling
seems to be turning toward Iran, after that probably North
Korea - if we survive them, who's next? (If we continue to
"extend the benefits of democracy" on such a scale, does
anyone REALLY believe the "draft" will not soon be reinstated?)
Jan 22nd 2005, 10:37 pm
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Following up to Go Fig
>The Right to political speech is protected in the U.S., no mater what
>the content is, as is the Right to rebut that speech. Moreover,
>reporters are not subject licence granted by the state.
you're so funny, Jay. Rather than ponder the crappiness of Fox
and the damage it might be doing, you spout some old Land of the
Free and our wonderful constitution and ignore the problem.
--
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>The Right to political speech is protected in the U.S., no mater what
>the content is, as is the Right to rebut that speech. Moreover,
>reporters are not subject licence granted by the state.
you're so funny, Jay. Rather than ponder the crappiness of Fox
and the damage it might be doing, you spout some old Land of the
Free and our wonderful constitution and ignore the problem.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Jan 22nd 2005, 10:38 pm
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
Following up to Magda
> ... >I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
> ...
> ... You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
>I thought Mike was being ironic.
he was.
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> ... >I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
> ...
> ... You live in cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes, even the BBC is neither.
>I thought Mike was being ironic.
he was.
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Jan 22nd 2005, 10:54 pm
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
Following up to nitram
>>I thought Mike was being ironic.
>Perhaps. It's hard to tell some days.
It is.
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>>I thought Mike was being ironic.
>Perhaps. It's hard to tell some days.
It is.
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Jan 22nd 2005, 10:54 pm
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Re: Last one out of the US turn off the light
Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>>>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>>>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>>
>>
>> I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
>Faint hope of that, in today's America! (But rather than
>emigrating, those of us who perceive the problem should be
>working to correct it.)
I think the ownership and operation of the broadcast media
constitutes a real threat to effective democracy in the west.
Look at Italy. Look at Fox.
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>>>Really? You don't think red-necks, bible-bashers and other morons have
>>>a right to enjoy their TV entertainment as much as the normal folk?
>>
>>
>> I expect broadcast media to be intelligent and responsible.
>Faint hope of that, in today's America! (But rather than
>emigrating, those of us who perceive the problem should be
>working to correct it.)
I think the ownership and operation of the broadcast media
constitutes a real threat to effective democracy in the west.
Look at Italy. Look at Fox.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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