Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Dec 21st 2004, 10:30 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:32:13 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Reams of your pathetic attempts at insults any 2 year
>old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.
>Whoops, nothing left.
Much like Bush's ideas about how to solve the mess in Iraq?
THOM
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>Reams of your pathetic attempts at insults any 2 year
>old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.
>Whoops, nothing left.
Much like Bush's ideas about how to solve the mess in Iraq?
THOM
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Dec 21st 2004, 10:30 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:32:30 +1100, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Reams of your pathetic attempts at insults any 2 year
>old could leave for dead flushed where they belong.
>Whoops, nothing left.
Much like an Americans pay envelope after the war taxes start?
THOM
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>Reams of your pathetic attempts at insults any 2 year
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Much like an Americans pay envelope after the war taxes start?
THOM
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Dec 21st 2004, 10:33 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
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> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>> The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Thom wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Close to the lowest unemployment rate in the entire world.
>>>>>>>>>> 18% is doing fine? Lets not be taken in by the Bush liars who use
>>>>>>>>>> only the number of people getting insurance. The real job hunters
>>>>>>>>>> are about 18% and 18% of 290 million is larger than many countries.
>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's ever possible to provide an accurate number.
>>>>>>>> It is however quite feasible to standardise the definition so you
>>>>>>>> can compare the rate from country to country and when that is
>>>>>>>> done the US still ends up with one of the lowest rates in the world.
>>>>>>> 18% is not low.
>>>>>> 18% is a lie. Try 5%
>>>>> I don't lie
>>>> You lie.
>>> do you work for the PM's Ministry for propaghanda?
>>Nope, neither do the ILO or OECD.
> ask me if I care since we were talking about the US unemployment rate
Its the US unemployment rate they are stating,
you silly little pig ignorant lying ****wit.
None of the rest of your peurile silly shit any 2 year old could
leave for dead worth bothering with, all flushed where it belongs.
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> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>> Thom <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>> The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Thom wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Close to the lowest unemployment rate in the entire world.
>>>>>>>>>> 18% is doing fine? Lets not be taken in by the Bush liars who use
>>>>>>>>>> only the number of people getting insurance. The real job hunters
>>>>>>>>>> are about 18% and 18% of 290 million is larger than many countries.
>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's ever possible to provide an accurate number.
>>>>>>>> It is however quite feasible to standardise the definition so you
>>>>>>>> can compare the rate from country to country and when that is
>>>>>>>> done the US still ends up with one of the lowest rates in the world.
>>>>>>> 18% is not low.
>>>>>> 18% is a lie. Try 5%
>>>>> I don't lie
>>>> You lie.
>>> do you work for the PM's Ministry for propaghanda?
>>Nope, neither do the ILO or OECD.
> ask me if I care since we were talking about the US unemployment rate
Its the US unemployment rate they are stating,
you silly little pig ignorant lying ****wit.
None of the rest of your peurile silly shit any 2 year old could
leave for dead worth bothering with, all flushed where it belongs.
Dec 21st 2004, 10:34 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
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Dec 21st 2004, 10:43 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
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> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:20:02 -0800, Icono Clast <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>Thom wrote:
>>> Maybe its because up till recently a nice house was only twice the
>>> yearly average wage.
>>Thrice. Now, around the country, it's running five and more. Here, it's
>>closer to seven.
>>Today it was reported that 4/3000 of counties in the USA have
>>one-bedroom rents that can be afforded by a minimum wage worker. All
>>sorts programs to help those people live in the 2,996 counties they
>>can't afford were suggested. All sorts of programs but the only thing
>>that could possibly approach a solution:
>>Increase the Minimum Wage! Increase it to what? Ten percent of what's
>>paid to members of Congress. When I first looked into it, they were
>>getting eleven times the Minimum Wage. Now they're getting significantly
>>more. Those with the most power in our society are increasing their
>>income while ignoring those with the least power in our society. It's
>>not only unAmerican, it also violates the professed values of every
>>major philosophy on Earth.
> you bring up good points.
Nope, not one.
> Sould congress persons wages be based on a multiple
> of the average or mean average wage of Americans?
Not a chance of getting the pollys to vote for that, fool.
> Should it be capped at some point?
Ditto in spades.
> I ran for State Parliament in Victoria this last election
And lost. Wota surprise.
> and had not the Labor guy dinged me with 58% I
> would be making exactly 3X's the average wage here.
Pity the average is a useless number.
> The average wage here is quite high and cost of living
> (though raising under the right wingers in the national parliament)
Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
that it increases regardless of who the govt is.
> is lower than the States.
You're lying, as usual.
> A simple example is a mutli-format DVD player
> today at US$30.25 at my local super market
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to check the
prices on a US pricewatch site and see that thats nothing special.
> or the 80 gig hard drive I got over the weekend at US$43.45.
Ditto in spades.
> Petrol (unleaded) was US$2.05 a US gallon as I passed the station
> but honestly I don't know if that's more or less than the States.
So stupid that it hasnt even noticed that we
have MUCH higher fuel taxes than the US does.
> Theres no reason the USA couldn't pay these kinds
> of average wages and have these kinds of prices.
Wota terminal ****wit.
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> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:20:02 -0800, Icono Clast <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>Thom wrote:
>>> Maybe its because up till recently a nice house was only twice the
>>> yearly average wage.
>>Thrice. Now, around the country, it's running five and more. Here, it's
>>closer to seven.
>>Today it was reported that 4/3000 of counties in the USA have
>>one-bedroom rents that can be afforded by a minimum wage worker. All
>>sorts programs to help those people live in the 2,996 counties they
>>can't afford were suggested. All sorts of programs but the only thing
>>that could possibly approach a solution:
>>Increase the Minimum Wage! Increase it to what? Ten percent of what's
>>paid to members of Congress. When I first looked into it, they were
>>getting eleven times the Minimum Wage. Now they're getting significantly
>>more. Those with the most power in our society are increasing their
>>income while ignoring those with the least power in our society. It's
>>not only unAmerican, it also violates the professed values of every
>>major philosophy on Earth.
> you bring up good points.
Nope, not one.
> Sould congress persons wages be based on a multiple
> of the average or mean average wage of Americans?
Not a chance of getting the pollys to vote for that, fool.
> Should it be capped at some point?
Ditto in spades.
> I ran for State Parliament in Victoria this last election
And lost. Wota surprise.
> and had not the Labor guy dinged me with 58% I
> would be making exactly 3X's the average wage here.
Pity the average is a useless number.
> The average wage here is quite high and cost of living
> (though raising under the right wingers in the national parliament)
Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed
that it increases regardless of who the govt is.
> is lower than the States.
You're lying, as usual.
> A simple example is a mutli-format DVD player
> today at US$30.25 at my local super market
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to check the
prices on a US pricewatch site and see that thats nothing special.
> or the 80 gig hard drive I got over the weekend at US$43.45.
Ditto in spades.
> Petrol (unleaded) was US$2.05 a US gallon as I passed the station
> but honestly I don't know if that's more or less than the States.
So stupid that it hasnt even noticed that we
have MUCH higher fuel taxes than the US does.
> Theres no reason the USA couldn't pay these kinds
> of average wages and have these kinds of prices.
Wota terminal ****wit.
Dec 21st 2004, 10:57 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
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Dec 21st 2004, 10:57 pm
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Dec 22nd 2004, 2:39 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
rk wrote:
> Yup, in the US, for a variety of aerospace corporations and organizations and
> one instrumentation company. On the other hand, all of those positions were
> "exempt," meaning they were exempt from wage and salary laws. Most
> significant impact of that is on overtime pay (or lack thereof).
I can relate to that! I work for a small accounting firm,
and "professional" staff does not get overtime pay.
However, unlike some firms, ours DOES pay "straight time"
for the extra hours or (IMO more welcome) allows us to
accrue it as "comp" time, to be taken at other times of
year, when we're not so busy. ....Although it's often hard
to find the occasion to use it, and still keep one's
work-load up to date. (I have over 200 hours accrued, our
managing partner is beginning to make noises about my using
some of it, yet it is he for whom no time I choose is the
right time!)
> Yup, in the US, for a variety of aerospace corporations and organizations and
> one instrumentation company. On the other hand, all of those positions were
> "exempt," meaning they were exempt from wage and salary laws. Most
> significant impact of that is on overtime pay (or lack thereof).
I can relate to that! I work for a small accounting firm,
and "professional" staff does not get overtime pay.
However, unlike some firms, ours DOES pay "straight time"
for the extra hours or (IMO more welcome) allows us to
accrue it as "comp" time, to be taken at other times of
year, when we're not so busy. ....Although it's often hard
to find the occasion to use it, and still keep one's
work-load up to date. (I have over 200 hours accrued, our
managing partner is beginning to make noises about my using
some of it, yet it is he for whom no time I choose is the
right time!)
Dec 22nd 2004, 7:32 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> rk wrote:
>> Yup, in the US, for a variety of aerospace corporations and organizations and
>> one instrumentation company. On the other hand, all of those positions were
>> "exempt," meaning they were exempt from wage and salary laws. Most
>> significant impact of that is on overtime pay (or lack thereof).
> I can relate to that! I work for a small accounting firm, and "professional"
> staff does not get overtime pay. However, unlike some firms, ours DOES pay
> "straight time" for the extra hours or (IMO more welcome) allows us to accrue
> it as "comp" time, to be taken at other times of year, when we're not so busy.
> ....Although it's often hard to find the occasion to use it, and still keep
> one's work-load up to date. (I have over 200 hours accrued, our managing
> partner is beginning to make noises about my using some of it, yet it is he
> for whom no time I choose is the right time!)
How can anyone be "exempt" from Laws. It is, surely, a total contradiction. I
rather suspect that in the case quoted above there is no Statute requiring
payment of overtime hours. If there is, then surely non-payment of such hours is
actionable in the Courts.
JohnT
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> rk wrote:
>> Yup, in the US, for a variety of aerospace corporations and organizations and
>> one instrumentation company. On the other hand, all of those positions were
>> "exempt," meaning they were exempt from wage and salary laws. Most
>> significant impact of that is on overtime pay (or lack thereof).
> I can relate to that! I work for a small accounting firm, and "professional"
> staff does not get overtime pay. However, unlike some firms, ours DOES pay
> "straight time" for the extra hours or (IMO more welcome) allows us to accrue
> it as "comp" time, to be taken at other times of year, when we're not so busy.
> ....Although it's often hard to find the occasion to use it, and still keep
> one's work-load up to date. (I have over 200 hours accrued, our managing
> partner is beginning to make noises about my using some of it, yet it is he
> for whom no time I choose is the right time!)
How can anyone be "exempt" from Laws. It is, surely, a total contradiction. I
rather suspect that in the case quoted above there is no Statute requiring
payment of overtime hours. If there is, then surely non-payment of such hours is
actionable in the Courts.
JohnT
Dec 22nd 2004, 8:11 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
JohnT wrote:
>
> How can anyone be "exempt" from Laws. It is, surely, a total contradiction. I
> rather suspect that in the case quoted above there is no Statute requiring
> payment of overtime hours. If there is, then surely non-payment of such hours is
> actionable in the Courts.
>
> JohnT
In the US, there are federal and state laws regarding overtime hours,
and they have exemptions. However, while an exempt employee might not be
entitled to overtime pay for working over the standard, they wouldn't
lose pay for working less than a full day. Many employers also provide
additional pay of some type for overtime work. This can sometimes be
higher than even the 1 1/2 times rate that may be required by law for
non-exempt employees.
>
> How can anyone be "exempt" from Laws. It is, surely, a total contradiction. I
> rather suspect that in the case quoted above there is no Statute requiring
> payment of overtime hours. If there is, then surely non-payment of such hours is
> actionable in the Courts.
>
> JohnT
In the US, there are federal and state laws regarding overtime hours,
and they have exemptions. However, while an exempt employee might not be
entitled to overtime pay for working over the standard, they wouldn't
lose pay for working less than a full day. Many employers also provide
additional pay of some type for overtime work. This can sometimes be
higher than even the 1 1/2 times rate that may be required by law for
non-exempt employees.
Dec 22nd 2004, 8:55 am
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Thom wrote:
> Icono Clast wrote:
>> Increase the Minimum Wage! Increase it to what? Ten percent of
>> what's paid to members of Congress.
> you bring up good points.
Thank you. They're the same points I've been making, fruitlessly, for
longer than thirty years.
> Sould congress persons wages be based on a multiple of the average or
> mean average wage of Americans? Should it be capped at some point?
Neither. The Congressional and the Minimum wages should be inextricably
locked together at a ratio of 10:1. Thus neither will ever be too low,
too high, nor, and these are the points, unfair nor probably unlivable.
> I would be making exactly 3X's the average wage here.
Please tell the multiple of BC's Minimum Wage that is.
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> Icono Clast wrote:
>> Increase the Minimum Wage! Increase it to what? Ten percent of
>> what's paid to members of Congress.
> you bring up good points.
Thank you. They're the same points I've been making, fruitlessly, for
longer than thirty years.
> Sould congress persons wages be based on a multiple of the average or
> mean average wage of Americans? Should it be capped at some point?
Neither. The Congressional and the Minimum wages should be inextricably
locked together at a ratio of 10:1. Thus neither will ever be too low,
too high, nor, and these are the points, unfair nor probably unlivable.
> I would be making exactly 3X's the average wage here.
Please tell the multiple of BC's Minimum Wage that is.
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Dec 22nd 2004, 9:17 am
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
> rk wrote:
>> Yup, in the US, for a variety of aerospace corporations and
>> organizations and one instrumentation company. On the other hand,
>> all of those positions were "exempt," meaning they were exempt
>> from wage and salary laws.
The law is the law. There should be neither exemptions nor exceptions.
If they want independent contractors, fine. If they want employees,
abide by the law!
> Most significant impact of that is on overtime pay (or lack thereof).
Zacktly!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> "professional" staff does not get overtime pay.
Probably against the law. If it isn't, it oughtta be!
> However, unlike some firms, ours DOES pay "straight time" for the
> extra hours or (IMO more welcome) allows us to accrue it as "comp"
> time, to be taken at other times of year, when we're not so busy.
Comp time is fine if it's credited at nine minutes for each six minutes
of overtime work, etc. [Please see
<http://geocities.com/iconoc/Overtime.html>]
> ....Although it's often hard to find the occasion to use it
Thus making it an employer con; i.e., a way to screw its employees out
of EARNings!
> and still keep one's work-load up to date.
If the workload is too great, the number of workers is too few! You are
effectively denying an unemployed person the opportunity to work
alongside you. Your employer is saving a bundle at your expense.
Although I love to **** (duh-uh), I don't like getting screwed and I
hate seeing others get screwed.
> (I have over 200 hours accrued, our managing partner is beginning to
> make noises about my using some of it, yet it is he for whom no time
> I choose is the right time!)
I hope you do. I implore you to do so. It is time that you have earned;
it belongs to you!
My union contract prohibits the non-use and/or accrual of vacation time.
If you have not taken your vacation, you will be prohibited to work. For
example, had I not taken my five weeks' vacation by November 28 (this
year), I would have been forced to take it. Had I been permitted to
work, the employer would have been forced to pay double time (i.e., the
vacation pay plus the regular pay; unfair to the employer). If I took
the vacation time and worked, it would have been for nothing; unfair to me!
When I took nine week vacations, I started the four-week vacation earned
last year in November, the four-week vacation time earned this year in
January, and had 4.5 holidays (ThanksGiving Thursday and Friday,
Christmas Eve [the half], Christmas Day, and New Year's Day].
JohnT wrote:
> while an exempt employee might not be entitled to overtime pay for
> working over the standard, they wouldn't lose pay for working less
> than a full day.
Didn't you mean to say "legally entitled"? And what is "the standard"? I
agreed to give my last employer a full 7.5 hours of work and got paid
for it. If I left early, I was not paid for the time I wasn't there. If
I worked overtime, I got paid overtime. Not paying me when not there was
fair to the employer. Paying me extra for being there when I oughtn't've
been was fair to me.
> Many employers also provide additional pay of some type for overtime
> work. This can sometimes be higher than even the 1 1/2 times rate
> that may be required by law for non-exempt employees.
There are countless good employers out there who understand why they
should treat their employees fairly and how to do so. As a co-worker,
who became an employer, once said to me: "There wouldn't be asshole
unions if there weren't asshole employers". He did many good things for
his employees, far and above what was contracted, because they were the
right thing to do.
__________________________________________________ ___________
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http://geocities.com/dancefest/ http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 IClast at SFbay Net
>> Yup, in the US, for a variety of aerospace corporations and
>> organizations and one instrumentation company. On the other hand,
>> all of those positions were "exempt," meaning they were exempt
>> from wage and salary laws.
The law is the law. There should be neither exemptions nor exceptions.
If they want independent contractors, fine. If they want employees,
abide by the law!
> Most significant impact of that is on overtime pay (or lack thereof).
Zacktly!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> "professional" staff does not get overtime pay.
Probably against the law. If it isn't, it oughtta be!
> However, unlike some firms, ours DOES pay "straight time" for the
> extra hours or (IMO more welcome) allows us to accrue it as "comp"
> time, to be taken at other times of year, when we're not so busy.
Comp time is fine if it's credited at nine minutes for each six minutes
of overtime work, etc. [Please see
<http://geocities.com/iconoc/Overtime.html>]
> ....Although it's often hard to find the occasion to use it
Thus making it an employer con; i.e., a way to screw its employees out
of EARNings!
> and still keep one's work-load up to date.
If the workload is too great, the number of workers is too few! You are
effectively denying an unemployed person the opportunity to work
alongside you. Your employer is saving a bundle at your expense.
Although I love to **** (duh-uh), I don't like getting screwed and I
hate seeing others get screwed.
> (I have over 200 hours accrued, our managing partner is beginning to
> make noises about my using some of it, yet it is he for whom no time
> I choose is the right time!)
I hope you do. I implore you to do so. It is time that you have earned;
it belongs to you!
My union contract prohibits the non-use and/or accrual of vacation time.
If you have not taken your vacation, you will be prohibited to work. For
example, had I not taken my five weeks' vacation by November 28 (this
year), I would have been forced to take it. Had I been permitted to
work, the employer would have been forced to pay double time (i.e., the
vacation pay plus the regular pay; unfair to the employer). If I took
the vacation time and worked, it would have been for nothing; unfair to me!
When I took nine week vacations, I started the four-week vacation earned
last year in November, the four-week vacation time earned this year in
January, and had 4.5 holidays (ThanksGiving Thursday and Friday,
Christmas Eve [the half], Christmas Day, and New Year's Day].
JohnT wrote:
> while an exempt employee might not be entitled to overtime pay for
> working over the standard, they wouldn't lose pay for working less
> than a full day.
Didn't you mean to say "legally entitled"? And what is "the standard"? I
agreed to give my last employer a full 7.5 hours of work and got paid
for it. If I left early, I was not paid for the time I wasn't there. If
I worked overtime, I got paid overtime. Not paying me when not there was
fair to the employer. Paying me extra for being there when I oughtn't've
been was fair to me.
> Many employers also provide additional pay of some type for overtime
> work. This can sometimes be higher than even the 1 1/2 times rate
> that may be required by law for non-exempt employees.
There are countless good employers out there who understand why they
should treat their employees fairly and how to do so. As a co-worker,
who became an employer, once said to me: "There wouldn't be asshole
unions if there weren't asshole employers". He did many good things for
his employees, far and above what was contracted, because they were the
right thing to do.
__________________________________________________ ___________
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Dec 22nd 2004, 2:28 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Cisco troll/asshole/netkook/pedophile Michael Voight "Merry Christmas
<[email protected]>" trolled:
>JohnT wrote:
> >
>> How can anyone be "exempt" from Laws. It is, surely, a total
>> contradiction. I
>> rather suspect that in the case quoted above there is no Statute requiring
>> payment of overtime hours. If there is, then surely non-payment of
>> such hours is
>> actionable in the Courts.
>>
>> JohnT
>In the US, there are federal and state laws regarding overtime hours,
>and they have exemptions blah blah blah
None of which matters in your case, since you spend your day on the
job trolling usenet at your employer Cisco's expense. So what the
**** do you care about employment laws in the US, you're a leech, a
troll, a netkook, a pedophile who cruises the kiddie "pen pal"
newsgroups luring minors for sex......
About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder
Michael Voight, alias "Merry Christmas", "I Love YOU", "MyNewServer
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(831) 438-2485
[email protected] .
He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime. Gary Burnore is a
convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the
history of the net.
Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups
trying to pick up underage girls.
The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California
Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long
from work.
***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON
USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***
If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his
trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to [email protected] .
He works in technical support, so forward them to [email protected] too.
See further below for more Cisco contact information.
He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
[email protected] and [email protected] as well.
His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) are
rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup
where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers
like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get
their green card. Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice
on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.
When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on
alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding
that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded
fights with the regular posters there.
He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as
well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for
depression. Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their
green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.
Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get
his personals mail there:
Voight, Michael
P.O. Box 67016,
Scotts Valley, CA 95067
(408) 461-8707
The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the
Marines because even the Army rejected him!
He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other
kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since
they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know
what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.
Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho. It
cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.
Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when they
acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software. His e-mail
address there used to be <[email protected]>.
All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so
he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only
two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:
mrtrav <[email protected]>
mrtrav3 <[email protected]>
mrraveltay <[email protected]>
mrtravelkay <[email protected]>, and
mtravelkay <[email protected]> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.
Some of his other trolling aliases are:
Network Guy <[email protected]>
starrystarrynight <[email protected]>
sleepydoc <[email protected]>
jlhunt <[email protected]>
Lost 5 of 8 <[email protected]>
mrt <[email protected]>
news.sf.sbcglobal.net <[email protected]>
not-nomen <[email protected]>
UCLAisthebest <[email protected]>
David Tanner <[email protected]>
Jeff Davies <[email protected]>
BobTheBuilder <[email protected]>
Bill Clarkj <[email protected]>
nonomen ([email protected])
Really Me <[email protected]>.
Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women,
such as:
JerseyGirl <[email protected]>
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>
nothilaryduff <[email protected]>
Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some
teenage girls).
His latest aliases are anon <[email protected]>and anonymous
<[email protected]>.
It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to
speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy
that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet
on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.
Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is
doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They
will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA
Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters
with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get
as far up as possible.
(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387
Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in
investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this
asshole who is wasting company resources:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email: [email protected]
Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about
this type of stuff:
USA 1 800 553 6387
[email protected]
[email protected]
Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are
VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their
employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE
out of their company:
John Morgridge, Chairman
Phone: (408) 526-8229
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
John Chambers, President, CEO
Phone: (408) 526-8222
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Phone: (408) 526-8211
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations
Phone: (408) 527-7371
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer
Phone: (408) 526-7008
Fax: (408) 526-8220
Email: [email protected]
Susan Lori Bostrom
Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group
Phone: (408) 527-5648
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Howard S. Charney
Senior Vice President, Office of the President
Phone: (408) 526-8300
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Kate DCamp
Senior Vice President, Human Resources
Phone: (408) 527-9530
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Gail Morales
Manager, Human Resources, Employment
Phone: (408) 527-6654
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Peggy Lynch
Employee Benefits
Phone: (408) 526-8859
Fax: (408) 527-6080
Email: [email protected]
Mario Mazzola
Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer
Phone: (408) 526-5535
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Betsy Rafael
Vice President and Corporate Controller
Phone: (408) 525-0164
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Claudia Ceniceros
Manager, Public Relations
Phone: (408) 525-4700
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Write, call, and fax:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA
Phone: (408) 526-4000
Fax: (408) 526-4100
(800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387
Have fun!
groups luring minors for sex......
<[email protected]>" trolled:
>JohnT wrote:
> >
>> How can anyone be "exempt" from Laws. It is, surely, a total
>> contradiction. I
>> rather suspect that in the case quoted above there is no Statute requiring
>> payment of overtime hours. If there is, then surely non-payment of
>> such hours is
>> actionable in the Courts.
>>
>> JohnT
>In the US, there are federal and state laws regarding overtime hours,
>and they have exemptions blah blah blah
None of which matters in your case, since you spend your day on the
job trolling usenet at your employer Cisco's expense. So what the
**** do you care about employment laws in the US, you're a leech, a
troll, a netkook, a pedophile who cruises the kiddie "pen pal"
newsgroups luring minors for sex......
About rogue Cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder
Michael Voight, alias "Merry Christmas", "I Love YOU", "MyNewServer
Comcast", "anon", "anonymous", "nothilaryduff", "Really Me",
"mrtravel", "mrtravelkay", etc. etc. etc.
Currently posting as Merry Christmas <[email protected]>.
Recently posting as MyNewServer Comcast <[email protected]>, I Love YOU
<[email protected]>, anon <[email protected]>, anonymous
<[email protected]>, nothilaryduff <[email protected]>,
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>, Really Me
<[email protected]>. See below for a larger list of all his trolling
aliases.
His work e-mail address is <[email protected]>.
Michael D. Voight
111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118
Scotts Valley, CA 95066-4148
(831) 438-2485
[email protected] .
He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime. Gary Burnore is a
convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the
history of the net.
Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups
trying to pick up underage girls.
The idiot works for Cisco in their Scotts Valley, California
Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long
from work.
***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON
USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***
If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his
trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to [email protected] .
He works in technical support, so forward them to [email protected] too.
See further below for more Cisco contact information.
He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
[email protected] and [email protected] as well.
His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) are
rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup
where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers
like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get
their green card. Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice
on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.
When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on
alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding
that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded
fights with the regular posters there.
He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups as
well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for
depression. Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their
green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.
Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can get
his personals mail there:
Voight, Michael
P.O. Box 67016,
Scotts Valley, CA 95067
(408) 461-8707
The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the
Marines because even the Army rejected him!
He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other
kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since
they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know
what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.
Many people have wondered how Cisco ever hired such a psycho. It
cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after all.
Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when they
acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software. His e-mail
address there used to be <[email protected]>.
All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so
he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only
two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:
mrtrav <[email protected]>
mrtrav3 <[email protected]>
mrraveltay <[email protected]>
mrtravelkay <[email protected]>, and
mtravelkay <[email protected]> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.
Some of his other trolling aliases are:
Network Guy <[email protected]>
starrystarrynight <[email protected]>
sleepydoc <[email protected]>
jlhunt <[email protected]>
Lost 5 of 8 <[email protected]>
mrt <[email protected]>
news.sf.sbcglobal.net <[email protected]>
not-nomen <[email protected]>
UCLAisthebest <[email protected]>
David Tanner <[email protected]>
Jeff Davies <[email protected]>
BobTheBuilder <[email protected]>
Bill Clarkj <[email protected]>
nonomen ([email protected])
Really Me <[email protected]>.
Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women,
such as:
JerseyGirl <[email protected]>
Kathy Stoltz <[email protected]>
nothilaryduff <[email protected]>
Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some
teenage girls).
His latest aliases are anon <[email protected]>and anonymous
<[email protected]>.
It would be a good idea to call Cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to
speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy
that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet
on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.
Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is
doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They
will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA
Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters
with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get
as far up as possible.
(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387
Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in
investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this
asshole who is wasting company resources:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email: [email protected]
Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about
this type of stuff:
USA 1 800 553 6387
[email protected]
[email protected]
Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are
VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their
employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE
out of their company:
John Morgridge, Chairman
Phone: (408) 526-8229
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
John Chambers, President, CEO
Phone: (408) 526-8222
Fax: (408) 526-4100
[email protected]
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Phone: (408) 526-8211
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations
Phone: (408) 527-7371
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer
Phone: (408) 526-7008
Fax: (408) 526-8220
Email: [email protected]
Susan Lori Bostrom
Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions Group
Phone: (408) 527-5648
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Howard S. Charney
Senior Vice President, Office of the President
Phone: (408) 526-8300
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Kate DCamp
Senior Vice President, Human Resources
Phone: (408) 527-9530
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Gail Morales
Manager, Human Resources, Employment
Phone: (408) 527-6654
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Peggy Lynch
Employee Benefits
Phone: (408) 526-8859
Fax: (408) 527-6080
Email: [email protected]
Mario Mazzola
Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer
Phone: (408) 526-5535
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Betsy Rafael
Vice President and Corporate Controller
Phone: (408) 525-0164
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Claudia Ceniceros
Manager, Public Relations
Phone: (408) 525-4700
Fax: (408) 526-4100
Email: [email protected]
Write, call, and fax:
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, California 95134-1706, USA
Phone: (408) 526-4000
Fax: (408) 526-4100
(800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387
Have fun!
groups luring minors for sex......
Dec 22nd 2004, 4:04 pm
#1289
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
>>>>I don't think it's ever possible to provide an accurate number. Is the
>>>>wino on the corner with the WILL WORK FOR FOOD sign employed,
>>>>unemployed, or no longer seeking work?
Hi,
he's self employed as a con artist.
--
>>>>wino on the corner with the WILL WORK FOR FOOD sign employed,
>>>>unemployed, or no longer seeking work?
Hi,
he's self employed as a con artist.
--
Dec 22nd 2004, 4:09 pm
#1290
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Skler wrote:
> This is sort of a technicality, but I think worth understanding. It
> would be illogical to presume that the assault weapons ban had any
> effect on violent crime at all.
Hi,
after all the only crimes committed by NFA weapons since 1934 have been
committed by Law Enforcement Officers!
> The way the law was written, it
> remained relatively easy for adults to purchase assault weapons.
same requirements as buying any NFA weapon, fingerprints, chief LEO
signoff, FBI background check, 200$ transfer tax, etc...
> Fully automatic
> rifles have never been legal to own without a license, I believe, which
> involves Federal registration, but oddly, I don't think the assault
> weapons ban affected that element, the licensed & Federally registered
> ownership of fully automatic rifles.
all true assault weapons ARE selective fire and are covered by the NFA.
there is no "permit" only a tax stamp showing you've paid the transfer tax.
> Indeed there exists an absurd level of gun proliferation in the US, but
> it does not statistically correlate with an increase in the level of
> violent crime.
see... even the lefties agree that "gun control" doesn't cut crime!
but real gun control, controlling your gun, that is to say hitting your
target, DOES cut crime.
> most gun owners would probably argue that registration would allow a
> tyrranical government to easily locate guns for confiscation.
california and illinois have again shown this to be true.
> Skerl
>
> Austin, Tx
> This is sort of a technicality, but I think worth understanding. It
> would be illogical to presume that the assault weapons ban had any
> effect on violent crime at all.
Hi,
after all the only crimes committed by NFA weapons since 1934 have been
committed by Law Enforcement Officers!
> The way the law was written, it
> remained relatively easy for adults to purchase assault weapons.
same requirements as buying any NFA weapon, fingerprints, chief LEO
signoff, FBI background check, 200$ transfer tax, etc...
> Fully automatic
> rifles have never been legal to own without a license, I believe, which
> involves Federal registration, but oddly, I don't think the assault
> weapons ban affected that element, the licensed & Federally registered
> ownership of fully automatic rifles.
all true assault weapons ARE selective fire and are covered by the NFA.
there is no "permit" only a tax stamp showing you've paid the transfer tax.
> Indeed there exists an absurd level of gun proliferation in the US, but
> it does not statistically correlate with an increase in the level of
> violent crime.
see... even the lefties agree that "gun control" doesn't cut crime!
but real gun control, controlling your gun, that is to say hitting your
target, DOES cut crime.
> most gun owners would probably argue that registration would allow a
> tyrranical government to easily locate guns for confiscation.
california and illinois have again shown this to be true.
> Skerl
>
> Austin, Tx