Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Nov 3rd 2004, 4:16 pm
#916
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Re: Passport Needed???
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>> The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>> be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>> documents.
>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>
>>
>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>
>>
>> Travelling in Europe
>> Documents you will need
>> Passport or identity card
>>
>> There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>> EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>> is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>> controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>> of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>> are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>> member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>> that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>> Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>> national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>> are part of the Schengen area.
>>
>> Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>> because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>> national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>> carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>> of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
Go and read it again.
"Travelling in Europe
Documents you will need
Passport or identity card"
The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
diverted to a non Schengen country.
--
Martin
>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>> The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>> be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>> documents.
>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>
>>
>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>
>>
>> Travelling in Europe
>> Documents you will need
>> Passport or identity card
>>
>> There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>> EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>> is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>> controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>> of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>> are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>> member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>> that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>> Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>> national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>> are part of the Schengen area.
>>
>> Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>> because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>> national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>> carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>> of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
Go and read it again.
"Travelling in Europe
Documents you will need
Passport or identity card"
The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
diverted to a non Schengen country.
--
Martin
Nov 3rd 2004, 9:48 pm
#917
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:28:11 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to K. Reece
>>>>I would like to see a volcano someday, and perhaps I shall.
>>> I doubt it.
>>Why would you doubt she could see a volcano?
>because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
>marginally useful possessions.
Although I agree with you in general, trust me, a hot tub is not
marginally useful....................especially when its in your back
yard or house and you can be nude and see the stars at the same time.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to K. Reece
>>>>I would like to see a volcano someday, and perhaps I shall.
>>> I doubt it.
>>Why would you doubt she could see a volcano?
>because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
>marginally useful possessions.
Although I agree with you in general, trust me, a hot tub is not
marginally useful....................especially when its in your back
yard or house and you can be nude and see the stars at the same time.
Nov 3rd 2004, 9:48 pm
#918
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:32:17 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to K. Reece
>>> because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
>>> marginally useful possessions.
>>So you're saying it would cost a lot to go see a volcano?
>IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
>there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
>particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
>mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
>Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
>smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
>in Alaska somewhere?
Theres a really neat active one in hawaii that simply requires a
helicopter ride.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to K. Reece
>>> because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
>>> marginally useful possessions.
>>So you're saying it would cost a lot to go see a volcano?
>IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
>there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
>particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
>mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
>Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
>smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
>in Alaska somewhere?
Theres a really neat active one in hawaii that simply requires a
helicopter ride.
Nov 3rd 2004, 10:47 pm
#919
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Barbara Bomberger wrote:
>>IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
>>there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
>>particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
>>mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
>>Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
>>smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
>>in Alaska somewhere?
>
>
> Theres a really neat active one in hawaii that simply requires a
> helicopter ride.
>
Most of the time these days you can just drive up to
an active part of it, once on Hawaii. You just have to
get there.
Doug McDonald
>>IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
>>there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
>>particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
>>mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
>>Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
>>smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
>>in Alaska somewhere?
>
>
> Theres a really neat active one in hawaii that simply requires a
> helicopter ride.
>
Most of the time these days you can just drive up to
an active part of it, once on Hawaii. You just have to
get there.
Doug McDonald
Nov 3rd 2004, 11:06 pm
#920
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Re: Passport Needed???
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:16:52 +0100, nitram wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>> The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>>> be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>>> documents.
>>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Travelling in Europe
>>> Documents you will need
>>> Passport or identity card
>>>
>>> There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>>> EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>>> is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>>> controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>>> of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>>> are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>>> member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>>> that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>>> Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>>> national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>>> are part of the Schengen area.
>>>
>>> Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>>> because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>>> national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>>> carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>>> of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
>
>
> Go and read it again.
> "Travelling in Europe
> Documents you will need
> Passport or identity card"
>
> The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
> and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
> invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
> diverted to a non Schengen country.
In my experience, the airlines do not necessarily check.
That you may need to carry ID does not equate to a requirement for the
airline to check if you do.
And nowhere does that stuff say either that the airline might get fined
if you don't.
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>> The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>>> be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>>> documents.
>>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Travelling in Europe
>>> Documents you will need
>>> Passport or identity card
>>>
>>> There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>>> EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>>> is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>>> controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>>> of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>>> are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>>> member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>>> that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>>> Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>>> national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>>> are part of the Schengen area.
>>>
>>> Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>>> because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>>> national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>>> carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>>> of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
>
>
> Go and read it again.
> "Travelling in Europe
> Documents you will need
> Passport or identity card"
>
> The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
> and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
> invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
> diverted to a non Schengen country.
In my experience, the airlines do not necessarily check.
That you may need to carry ID does not equate to a requirement for the
airline to check if you do.
And nowhere does that stuff say either that the airline might get fined
if you don't.
Nov 4th 2004, 12:31 am
#921
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Re: Who are Americans???
"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> There is also the confusing factor that a bunch of Slavs were from
> Germany in the 19th century.
>
> The Reids wrote:
>
> > Following up to [email protected]
>
> >>>The average American has about 50% German ancestry (the other half
> >>>typically being English).
>
> >>Especially since the saxon" part of Anglo-Saxon refers to a region in
> >>Germany and the "anglo" part refers to England.
>
> > except large numbers of Brits are not of Anglo-Saxon (German via
> > England) origin, (celts, "vikings", normans etc) and vast numbers
> > of Americans are not of German or English origin, apart from that
> > its spot on.
"Americans" are individuals born in the Americas...North, Central or South America.
> There is also the confusing factor that a bunch of Slavs were from
> Germany in the 19th century.
>
> The Reids wrote:
>
> > Following up to [email protected]
>
> >>>The average American has about 50% German ancestry (the other half
> >>>typically being English).
>
> >>Especially since the saxon" part of Anglo-Saxon refers to a region in
> >>Germany and the "anglo" part refers to England.
>
> > except large numbers of Brits are not of Anglo-Saxon (German via
> > England) origin, (celts, "vikings", normans etc) and vast numbers
> > of Americans are not of German or English origin, apart from that
> > its spot on.
"Americans" are individuals born in the Americas...North, Central or South America.
Nov 4th 2004, 3:57 am
#922
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Re: Passport Needed???
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>>The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>>>be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>>>documents.
>>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>>Travelling in Europe
>>>Documents you will need
>>>There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>>>EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>>>is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>>>controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>>>of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>>>are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>>>member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>>>that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>>>Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>>>national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>>>are part of the Schengen area.
>>>Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>>>because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>>>national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>>>carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>>>of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
> Go and read it again.
> "Travelling in Europe
> Documents you will need
> Passport or identity card"
>
> The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
> and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
> invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
> diverted to a non Schengen country.
By that logic folks traveling to Detroit should have to carry a passport
because their flight might be diverted to Canada.
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>>The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>>>be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>>>documents.
>>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>>Travelling in Europe
>>>Documents you will need
>>>There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>>>EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>>>is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>>>controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>>>of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>>>are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>>>member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>>>that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>>>Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>>>national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>>>are part of the Schengen area.
>>>Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>>>because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>>>national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>>>carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>>>of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
> Go and read it again.
> "Travelling in Europe
> Documents you will need
> Passport or identity card"
>
> The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
> and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
> invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
> diverted to a non Schengen country.
By that logic folks traveling to Detroit should have to carry a passport
because their flight might be diverted to Canada.
Nov 4th 2004, 4:07 am
#923
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Following up to Karen in MN
> > I've had some
> >"vacations", travel ones, where I came back feeling anything but relaxed
and
> >recharged. To each his own.
> you probably tried to do too much in a short time, that's why
> "we" value a decent amount of leave.
> --
> Mike Reid
> Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can
email us@ this site
> Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a
spamtrap
Yeah, that was hubby -- I only got a week of vacation each year, so we only
got a week of vacation together, and he was of the opinion that we should
make full use of every one of those minutes. :) I was afraid eventually I
was going to find myself going back to the office on Monday morning directly
from baggage claim.
news:[email protected]...
> Following up to Karen in MN
> > I've had some
> >"vacations", travel ones, where I came back feeling anything but relaxed
and
> >recharged. To each his own.
> you probably tried to do too much in a short time, that's why
> "we" value a decent amount of leave.
> --
> Mike Reid
> Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can
email us@ this site
> Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a
spamtrap
Yeah, that was hubby -- I only got a week of vacation each year, so we only
got a week of vacation together, and he was of the opinion that we should
make full use of every one of those minutes. :) I was afraid eventually I
was going to find myself going back to the office on Monday morning directly
from baggage claim.
Nov 4th 2004, 4:11 am
#924
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:43:46 -0600, "Karen in MN"
> <ask.me.for.my.email.address> wrote:
> >
> >"Cindy hamilton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]. com...
> >> Thanks. Remember, in my first post I said I don't enjoy travel. Much
> >> of this would be attractive if I could teleport there and be back in
> >> my own bed that night.
> >
> >Makes sense to me. Vacation to me is less about location than it is
about
> >just being time to do things that you enjoy that you don't normally get a
> >chance to do because of the 9 to 5. Sometimes it's been going away to
some
> >place, but for just as many, it's been a chance to enjoy things around
the
> >home base. Either way, if it's relax time, time you can truly enjoy,
and
> >come back somewhat recharged, it's still a vacation. I've had some
> >"vacations", travel ones, where I came back feeling anything but relaxed
and
> >recharged. To each his own.
> >
> Your stories are very heart warming.
> Check the title of this thread:
> "Only two weeks vacation per year in the US?"
> It is quite disheartening to realize that the BULK of Americans get no
> or little vacation each year.
Yeah, you're right, it is. When I change jobs, that's usually one of my
negotiation points, even if it without pay, as long as the option is there
for adequate time off. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It used
to work more in the past (like 20 years ago) than it does now. Now, for
some reason, policies seem to be so set in stone. Or maybe it's my
negotiation skills. :)
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:43:46 -0600, "Karen in MN"
> <ask.me.for.my.email.address> wrote:
> >
> >"Cindy hamilton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]. com...
> >> Thanks. Remember, in my first post I said I don't enjoy travel. Much
> >> of this would be attractive if I could teleport there and be back in
> >> my own bed that night.
> >
> >Makes sense to me. Vacation to me is less about location than it is
about
> >just being time to do things that you enjoy that you don't normally get a
> >chance to do because of the 9 to 5. Sometimes it's been going away to
some
> >place, but for just as many, it's been a chance to enjoy things around
the
> >home base. Either way, if it's relax time, time you can truly enjoy,
and
> >come back somewhat recharged, it's still a vacation. I've had some
> >"vacations", travel ones, where I came back feeling anything but relaxed
and
> >recharged. To each his own.
> >
> Your stories are very heart warming.
> Check the title of this thread:
> "Only two weeks vacation per year in the US?"
> It is quite disheartening to realize that the BULK of Americans get no
> or little vacation each year.
Yeah, you're right, it is. When I change jobs, that's usually one of my
negotiation points, even if it without pay, as long as the option is there
for adequate time off. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It used
to work more in the past (like 20 years ago) than it does now. Now, for
some reason, policies seem to be so set in stone. Or maybe it's my
negotiation skills. :)
Nov 4th 2004, 4:40 am
#925
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Barbara Bomberger wrote:
|| On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:28:11 +0000, The Reids
|| <[email protected]> wrote:
||
||| Following up to K. Reece
|||
|||||| I would like to see a volcano someday, and perhaps I shall.
|||||
||||| I doubt it.
|||
|||| Why would you doubt she could see a volcano?
|||
||| because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
||| marginally useful possessions.
||
|| Although I agree with you in general, trust me, a hot tub is not
|| marginally useful....................especially when its in your back
|| yard or house and you can be nude and see the stars at the same time.
Barbara thinks that the hot tub jets are to die for.
|| On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:28:11 +0000, The Reids
|| <[email protected]> wrote:
||
||| Following up to K. Reece
|||
|||||| I would like to see a volcano someday, and perhaps I shall.
|||||
||||| I doubt it.
|||
|||| Why would you doubt she could see a volcano?
|||
||| because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
||| marginally useful possessions.
||
|| Although I agree with you in general, trust me, a hot tub is not
|| marginally useful....................especially when its in your back
|| yard or house and you can be nude and see the stars at the same time.
Barbara thinks that the hot tub jets are to die for.
Nov 4th 2004, 4:41 am
#926
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Barbara Bomberger wrote:
|| On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:32:17 +0000, The Reids
|| <[email protected]> wrote:
||
||| Following up to K. Reece
|||
||||| because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
||||| marginally useful possessions.
|||
|||| So you're saying it would cost a lot to go see a volcano?
|||
||| IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
||| there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
||| particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
||| mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
||| Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
||| smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
||| in Alaska somewhere?
||
|| Theres a really neat active one in hawaii that simply requires a
|| helicopter ride.
There's a frugal one in Washington called Mt. St. Helens.
|| On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:32:17 +0000, The Reids
|| <[email protected]> wrote:
||
||| Following up to K. Reece
|||
||||| because I suspect she's going to spend all her money on
||||| marginally useful possessions.
|||
|||| So you're saying it would cost a lot to go see a volcano?
|||
||| IIRC you have to sign up with a specialist company to take you
||| there at the appropriate time, I suspect it wont be a
||| particularly cheap trip and I cant see someone with a stay home
||| mentality suddenly doing that, can you?
||| Of course if dormant will do, with just a bit of steam and a
||| smell of sulphur,, there is one on Tenerife, near Napoli or IIRC
||| in Alaska somewhere?
||
|| Theres a really neat active one in hawaii that simply requires a
|| helicopter ride.
There's a frugal one in Washington called Mt. St. Helens.
Nov 4th 2004, 8:13 am
#927
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Passport Needed???
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:06:39 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:16:52 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>>> The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>>>> be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>>>> documents.
>>>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Travelling in Europe
>>>> Documents you will need
>>>> Passport or identity card
>>>>
>>>> There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>>>> EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>>>> is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>>>> controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>>>> of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>>>> are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>>>> member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>>>> that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>>>> Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>>>> national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>>>> are part of the Schengen area.
>>>>
>>>> Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>>>> because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>>>> national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>>>> carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>>>> of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>>>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>>>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
>>
>>
>> Go and read it again.
>> "Travelling in Europe
>> Documents you will need
>> Passport or identity card"
>>
>> The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
>> and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
>> invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
>> diverted to a non Schengen country.
>In my experience, the airlines do not necessarily check.
In my experience they always do at Schiphol, Turin and Toulouse.
The French even check passports, when traveling to their overseas
territories, which are supposed to be part of France.
>That you may need to carry ID does not equate to a requirement for the
>airline to check if you do.
>And nowhere does that stuff say either that the airline might get fined
>if you don't.
No it doesn't, but they do get fined.
--
Martin
>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:16:52 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>>> The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>>>> be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>>>> documents.
>>>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Travelling in Europe
>>>> Documents you will need
>>>> Passport or identity card
>>>>
>>>> There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>>>> EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>>>> is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>>>> controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>>>> of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>>>> are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>>>> member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>>>> that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>>>> Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>>>> national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>>>> are part of the Schengen area.
>>>>
>>>> Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>>>> because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>>>> national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>>>> carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>>>> of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>>>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>>>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
>>
>>
>> Go and read it again.
>> "Travelling in Europe
>> Documents you will need
>> Passport or identity card"
>>
>> The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
>> and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
>> invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
>> diverted to a non Schengen country.
>In my experience, the airlines do not necessarily check.
In my experience they always do at Schiphol, Turin and Toulouse.
The French even check passports, when traveling to their overseas
territories, which are supposed to be part of France.
>That you may need to carry ID does not equate to a requirement for the
>airline to check if you do.
>And nowhere does that stuff say either that the airline might get fined
>if you don't.
No it doesn't, but they do get fined.
--
Martin
Nov 4th 2004, 8:15 am
#928
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Passport Needed???
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 04:57:57 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>>>The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>>>>be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>>>>documents.
>>>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>>>Travelling in Europe
>>>>Documents you will need
>>>>There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>>>>EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>>>>is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>>>>controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>>>>of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>>>>are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>>>>member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>>>>that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>>>>Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>>>>national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>>>>are part of the Schengen area.
>>>>Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>>>>because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>>>>national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>>>>carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>>>>of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>>>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>>>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
>> Go and read it again.
>> "Travelling in Europe
>> Documents you will need
>> Passport or identity card"
>>
>> The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
>> and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
>> invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
>> diverted to a non Schengen country.
>By that logic folks traveling to Detroit should have to carry a passport
>because their flight might be diverted to Canada.
Only if Detroit and Canada are in the EU.
I quoted the last sentence from a European airline's explanation of
why you need to carry a passport or ID, even if you are flying within
Schengen.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:29:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:35:37 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:17:32 GMT, devil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:58:58 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>>>>>The airlines have been given the task of checking passports, they can
>>>>>>be fined for allowing people on flights who don't have "valid"
>>>>>>documents.
>>>>>The last couple of times I have flown within the Schengen area (FRA-CPH,
>>>>>FRA-MAD) no one checked IDs. Not the airlines either.
>>>> http://europa.eu.int/abc/travel/doc/index_en.htm
>>>>Travelling in Europe
>>>>Documents you will need
>>>>There are no longer any frontier controls at the borders between most
>>>>EU countries. This is thanks to the so-called Schengen agreement which
>>>>is part of EU law. The Schengen rules remove all internal border
>>>>controls but put in place effective controls at the external borders
>>>>of the EU and introduce a common visa policy. All the old EU countries
>>>>are Schengen members, except Ireland and the United Kingdom. The new
>>>>member states do not yet fully participate in Schengen. This means
>>>>that you need a valid passport for travel to Ireland, the United
>>>>Kingdom and the new member states, or an ID card if you are an EU
>>>>national. Although they do not belong to the EU, Norway and Iceland
>>>>are part of the Schengen area.
>>>>Always carry a valid passport or ID card when travelling in the EU
>>>>because you may be required to prove your identity. If public order or
>>>>national security so require, checks at the internal borders may be
>>>>carried out for a limited period. When crossing the external borders
>>>>of the EU everyone needs a valid passport.
>>>So? Where does that require airlines to ask for ID?
>>>My guess is, some do just to make sure people don't resell unused returns.
>> Go and read it again.
>> "Travelling in Europe
>> Documents you will need
>> Passport or identity card"
>>
>> The reason they are checking passports/ID is that airlines, ferries
>> and train operators are fined if they allow somebody to travel with
>> invalid documents. There is also the possibility that a plane may be
>> diverted to a non Schengen country.
>By that logic folks traveling to Detroit should have to carry a passport
>because their flight might be diverted to Canada.
Only if Detroit and Canada are in the EU.
I quoted the last sentence from a European airline's explanation of
why you need to carry a passport or ID, even if you are flying within
Schengen.
--
Martin
Nov 4th 2004, 8:27 am
#929
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Passport Needed???
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:15:36 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
>>By that logic folks traveling to Detroit should have to carry a passport
>>because their flight might be diverted to Canada.
The American and Canadian authorities presumably have their own agreements
with each other which have nothing to do with what goes on elsewhere. And
vice versa.
--
Tim C.
>>By that logic folks traveling to Detroit should have to carry a passport
>>because their flight might be diverted to Canada.
The American and Canadian authorities presumably have their own agreements
with each other which have nothing to do with what goes on elsewhere. And
vice versa.
--
Tim C.
Nov 4th 2004, 9:43 am
#930
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Who are Americans???
> > >>Especially since the saxon" part of Anglo-Saxon refers to a region in
> > >>Germany and the "anglo" part refers to England.
> >
The "Angles" & "Saxons" both were continental immigrants/conquerors of
England.
> > >>Germany and the "anglo" part refers to England.
> >
The "Angles" & "Saxons" both were continental immigrants/conquerors of
England.