Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???
Nov 1st 2004, 3:48 pm
#826
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:39:47 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to john
>>>why am I not surprised you cant think beyond your tax bill? Like
>>>most right wingers you know the price of everything and the value
>>>of nothing.
>>Oh, I guess I ruffled the feathers of a lowly civil clerk working for
>>His Majesty's Government.
>Nope. Try again if you like.
from your defense of government jobs, I assume you are some minor
functionary in some minor government job feeding at the public trough.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to john
>>>why am I not surprised you cant think beyond your tax bill? Like
>>>most right wingers you know the price of everything and the value
>>>of nothing.
>>Oh, I guess I ruffled the feathers of a lowly civil clerk working for
>>His Majesty's Government.
>Nope. Try again if you like.
from your defense of government jobs, I assume you are some minor
functionary in some minor government job feeding at the public trough.
Nov 1st 2004, 3:48 pm
#827
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Re: Passport Needed???
Hilary wrote:
>>>>In any case, I know of people who have done exactly that, boarding
>>>>without a passport. They had some difficulties upon arrival, but they
>>>>got in.
>>>OK, which country, and just how many 'difficulties'??? I would be very
>>>suprised if you were able to get on any international flight without
>>>showing your passport!!! I never have been able to!
>>>DFM
>>As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
>>Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
>>Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
>
>
> Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
> need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
> one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card. And
> even then many airlines require a valid passport as ID before they will
> check you in and permit boarding.
> Hilary
As far as I can tell it applies to travel between all Schengen
countries. Of course the UK is not one of them.
>>>>In any case, I know of people who have done exactly that, boarding
>>>>without a passport. They had some difficulties upon arrival, but they
>>>>got in.
>>>OK, which country, and just how many 'difficulties'??? I would be very
>>>suprised if you were able to get on any international flight without
>>>showing your passport!!! I never have been able to!
>>>DFM
>>As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
>>Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
>>Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
>
>
> Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
> need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
> one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card. And
> even then many airlines require a valid passport as ID before they will
> check you in and permit boarding.
> Hilary
As far as I can tell it applies to travel between all Schengen
countries. Of course the UK is not one of them.
Nov 1st 2004, 3:50 pm
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Re: Passport Needed???
Alan Harrison wrote:
> "Hilary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Citing earlier post:
>
>>>As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
>>>Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
>>>Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
> Hilary:
>
>>Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
>>need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
>>one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card.
> Just to clarify, since this could be construed as meaning the UK is a
> Schengen country. It isn't. The deal is that residents of other EU
> countries, whther or not they are in the Schengen agreement, may use
> national identity cards, rather than passports. If the British gov't carries
> through its plan to introduce ID cards, they would be reciprocally
> recognised by other EU countries.
> Alan Harrison
So within the EU you don't need a passport if you have an identity card.
Of course, within Schengen no one needs a passport to fly around.
> "Hilary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Citing earlier post:
>
>>>As I have said before it is quite common. International flights within
>>>Schengen. Or flights between the US and either Canada or Mexico.
>>>Suitable ID needed but no passport required.
> Hilary:
>
>>Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
>>need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
>>one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card.
> Just to clarify, since this could be construed as meaning the UK is a
> Schengen country. It isn't. The deal is that residents of other EU
> countries, whther or not they are in the Schengen agreement, may use
> national identity cards, rather than passports. If the British gov't carries
> through its plan to introduce ID cards, they would be reciprocally
> recognised by other EU countries.
> Alan Harrison
So within the EU you don't need a passport if you have an identity card.
Of course, within Schengen no one needs a passport to fly around.
Nov 1st 2004, 3:52 pm
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Re: Passports??
[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 04:42:08 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> Even easier when you walk over the border to Mexico. No official on
>>>>either side even talk to you.
>>>There are no officials on the road borders between some Schengen
>>>lands.
>>The discussion did concern International flights.
> Walking into Mexico is not flying:-)
>>Schengen does cause
>>them some problems though.
> It is totally inconsistent to have strict controls on Schengen air
> passengers and not control cars.
But they are consistent. You can fly around with no checks. The
problem referred to is that it is another area where passports are not
required for international travel.
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 04:42:08 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[email protected] wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> Even easier when you walk over the border to Mexico. No official on
>>>>either side even talk to you.
>>>There are no officials on the road borders between some Schengen
>>>lands.
>>The discussion did concern International flights.
> Walking into Mexico is not flying:-)
>>Schengen does cause
>>them some problems though.
> It is totally inconsistent to have strict controls on Schengen air
> passengers and not control cars.
But they are consistent. You can fly around with no checks. The
problem referred to is that it is another area where passports are not
required for international travel.
Nov 1st 2004, 4:14 pm
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Re: Passport Needed???
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:50:36 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>So within the EU you don't need a passport if you have an identity card.
> Of course, within Schengen no one needs a passport to fly around.
I used to have to show my passport at KLM check in, in Schiphol to fly
within Schengen. Like wise in France and Italy.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>So within the EU you don't need a passport if you have an identity card.
> Of course, within Schengen no one needs a passport to fly around.
I used to have to show my passport at KLM check in, in Schiphol to fly
within Schengen. Like wise in France and Italy.
--
Martin
Nov 1st 2004, 4:16 pm
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Re: Passports??
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:52:50 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 04:42:08 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>> Even easier when you walk over the border to Mexico. No official on
>>>>>either side even talk to you.
>>>>There are no officials on the road borders between some Schengen
>>>>lands.
>>>The discussion did concern International flights.
>> Walking into Mexico is not flying:-)
>>>Schengen does cause
>>>them some problems though.
>> It is totally inconsistent to have strict controls on Schengen air
>> passengers and not control cars.
>But they are consistent. You can fly around with no checks.
No you can't see my earlier post. You are not controlled on arrival
but you are on departure.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 04:42:08 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>> Even easier when you walk over the border to Mexico. No official on
>>>>>either side even talk to you.
>>>>There are no officials on the road borders between some Schengen
>>>>lands.
>>>The discussion did concern International flights.
>> Walking into Mexico is not flying:-)
>>>Schengen does cause
>>>them some problems though.
>> It is totally inconsistent to have strict controls on Schengen air
>> passengers and not control cars.
>But they are consistent. You can fly around with no checks.
No you can't see my earlier post. You are not controlled on arrival
but you are on departure.
--
Martin
Nov 1st 2004, 4:59 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
john <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Following up to john
>>> Oh, I guess I ruffled the feathers of a lowly civil clerk working for
>>> His Majesty's Government.
>> Nope. Try again if you like.
> from your defense of government jobs, I assume you are some minor
> functionary in some minor government job feeding at the public trough.
From your resentment of government employees, I assume you were fired from a
government job for incompetence.
Does that seem fair? It is possible for people to disagree about things
without having an inherent personal bias, you know.
miguel
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> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Following up to john
>>> Oh, I guess I ruffled the feathers of a lowly civil clerk working for
>>> His Majesty's Government.
>> Nope. Try again if you like.
> from your defense of government jobs, I assume you are some minor
> functionary in some minor government job feeding at the public trough.
From your resentment of government employees, I assume you were fired from a
government job for incompetence.
Does that seem fair? It is possible for people to disagree about things
without having an inherent personal bias, you know.
miguel
--
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Nov 1st 2004, 5:00 pm
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Re: USA: Screwed up health care system encourages stingy vacation time
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:36:03 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Clark W. Griswold, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>American
>>>>companies in particular have a special incentive to hire as few workers
>>>>as possible and while giving each worker as little vacation time as possible.
>>>Having worked with companies in Europe, I can tell you that US ones have far
>>>more latitude to hire than ones in Europe. It is so difficult over there to let
>>>someone go, that they will do just about anything to avoid hiring a new person.
>> Which has nothing at all to do with the fact that America's ****ed up health
>> care system provides a special incentive to hire as few workers as possible
>> while giving each worker as little vacation time as possible.
>It provides some incentive to hold down employment. Nothing like that
>of the sclerotic european labor systems.
^^^^^^^
Wow, how pedantic.
What are you making a reference to eyeballs?
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Clark W. Griswold, Jr. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>American
>>>>companies in particular have a special incentive to hire as few workers
>>>>as possible and while giving each worker as little vacation time as possible.
>>>Having worked with companies in Europe, I can tell you that US ones have far
>>>more latitude to hire than ones in Europe. It is so difficult over there to let
>>>someone go, that they will do just about anything to avoid hiring a new person.
>> Which has nothing at all to do with the fact that America's ****ed up health
>> care system provides a special incentive to hire as few workers as possible
>> while giving each worker as little vacation time as possible.
>It provides some incentive to hold down employment. Nothing like that
>of the sclerotic european labor systems.
^^^^^^^
Wow, how pedantic.
What are you making a reference to eyeballs?
Nov 1st 2004, 5:07 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:09:00 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to john
>>His Majesty's Government.
>did something happen I missed?
sorry, I thought they coronated Boy George as the monarch.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to john
>>His Majesty's Government.
>did something happen I missed?
sorry, I thought they coronated Boy George as the monarch.
Nov 1st 2004, 5:11 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Following up to Frank F. Matthews
>> According to BBC R4 this a.m. 2000 UK nurses moved to the USA out of
>> 100,000 last year.
>I wonder if they were local or originally poached from elsewhere? How
>many UK nurses were trained and how many retired last year?
they did give some figures which I don't remember but there is
bulge of retirement age nurses coming up, so we will be getting
more and more agency nurses in.
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>> According to BBC R4 this a.m. 2000 UK nurses moved to the USA out of
>> 100,000 last year.
>I wonder if they were local or originally poached from elsewhere? How
>many UK nurses were trained and how many retired last year?
they did give some figures which I don't remember but there is
bulge of retirement age nurses coming up, so we will be getting
more and more agency nurses in.
--
Mike Reid
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Nov 1st 2004, 5:11 pm
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Following up to john
>>>Oh, I guess I ruffled the feathers of a lowly civil clerk working for
>>>His Majesty's Government.
>>Nope. Try again if you like.
>Well, I guess you are probably like one of the characters I saw in the
>film, "I'm Alright, Jack".
LOL, you are a good laugh, no, and I'm not Dixon of Dock Green or
Jack the Ripper either. Anyway, i'm not a union official, if that
was what you meant. I suppose in your world anybody to the left
of Ghengis Khan is some kind of communist fanatic.
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>>>Oh, I guess I ruffled the feathers of a lowly civil clerk working for
>>>His Majesty's Government.
>>Nope. Try again if you like.
>Well, I guess you are probably like one of the characters I saw in the
>film, "I'm Alright, Jack".
LOL, you are a good laugh, no, and I'm not Dixon of Dock Green or
Jack the Ripper either. Anyway, i'm not a union official, if that
was what you meant. I suppose in your world anybody to the left
of Ghengis Khan is some kind of communist fanatic.
--
Mike Reid
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Nov 1st 2004, 5:11 pm
#837
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Following up to john
>>Nope. Try again if you like.
>from your defense of government jobs, I assume you are some minor
>functionary in some minor government job feeding at the public trough.
Its very simplistic to think that everybody who is in favour of
an effective well funded public sector must be in a government
job, a "minor" one at that, according to you. (I have never
worked for the civil service, junior or senior).
Clearly, you think everybody like doctors, fireman, policemen and
nurses along with their support staff are all parasites at the
"public trough" as you so charmingly put it, while all the suits
in the city of London are paragons of virtue building a strong
economy, no parasites in the private financial sector? Hmmm? Try
really thinking about who is a parasite and who isnt.
Do you characterise firefighters and police as parasites "at the
public trough"?
BTW I do my bit for the GNP by charging my neighbour for cleaning
his car, he charges me the same for cleaning mine.
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>>Nope. Try again if you like.
>from your defense of government jobs, I assume you are some minor
>functionary in some minor government job feeding at the public trough.
Its very simplistic to think that everybody who is in favour of
an effective well funded public sector must be in a government
job, a "minor" one at that, according to you. (I have never
worked for the civil service, junior or senior).
Clearly, you think everybody like doctors, fireman, policemen and
nurses along with their support staff are all parasites at the
"public trough" as you so charmingly put it, while all the suits
in the city of London are paragons of virtue building a strong
economy, no parasites in the private financial sector? Hmmm? Try
really thinking about who is a parasite and who isnt.
Do you characterise firefighters and police as parasites "at the
public trough"?
BTW I do my bit for the GNP by charging my neighbour for cleaning
his car, he charges me the same for cleaning mine.
--
Mike Reid
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Nov 1st 2004, 5:19 pm
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Re: USA: Screwed up health care system encourages stingy vacation time
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:00:59 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, john
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >It provides some incentive to hold down employment. Nothing like that
... >of the sclerotic european labor systems.
... ^^^^^^^
...
... Wow, how pedantic.
WOW, how ignorant.
... What are you making a reference to eyeballs?
Idem.
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >It provides some incentive to hold down employment. Nothing like that
... >of the sclerotic european labor systems.
... ^^^^^^^
...
... Wow, how pedantic.
WOW, how ignorant.
... What are you making a reference to eyeballs?
Idem.
Nov 1st 2004, 5:20 pm
#839
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Re: ONLY TWO WEEKS VACATION PER YEAR IN THE US???
Following up to john
>>>His Majesty's Government.
>>did something happen I missed?
>sorry, I thought they coronated Boy George as the monarch.
Is "coronated" an operation?
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>>>His Majesty's Government.
>>did something happen I missed?
>sorry, I thought they coronated Boy George as the monarch.
Is "coronated" an operation?
--
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Nov 1st 2004, 5:21 pm
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Re: Passport Needed???
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:54:42 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:17:23 +0000, Hilary <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
>>need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
>>one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card. And
>>even then many airlines require a valid passport as ID before they will
>>check you in and permit boarding.
>We have taken Ryanair flights from Italy to London Stansted using
>only our Italian national ID cards.
This is what I thought. If you travel within th eEU as long as you
have some form of identification, you are good.
Now, as an american, I always carry my pasport, however, the only
time I have ever been asked for it or had it stamped was entering the
uk.
>On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:17:23 +0000, Hilary <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>Only certain Schengen countries. The UK is not amongst them - you still
>>need a passport to fly out of the UK unless you happen to be resident in
>>one of the other Schengen countries and have the national ID card. And
>>even then many airlines require a valid passport as ID before they will
>>check you in and permit boarding.
>We have taken Ryanair flights from Italy to London Stansted using
>only our Italian national ID cards.
This is what I thought. If you travel within th eEU as long as you
have some form of identification, you are good.
Now, as an american, I always carry my pasport, however, the only
time I have ever been asked for it or had it stamped was entering the
uk.
