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Only Two Weeks Vacation Per Year In The Us???

Old Oct 31st 2004, 5:48 am
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Antipodean Bucket Farmer writes:

    > There are plenty of restrictions for departing Americans.

Not so. Americans may leave the country freely, with very rare
exceptions.

    > While the US government (like most others)
    > doesn't care much about those who are leaving, the
    > destination countries certainly *do* care, and have
    > requirements on who is issued work and residence
    > permits.

They don't care about anyone who hasn't entered their countries.

It's important to distinguish between emigration and immigration. Most
developed nations place no restrictions on the former, but many
restrictions on the latter.

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Old Oct 31st 2004, 5:50 am
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Antipodean Bucket Farmer writes:

    > Cancer is "primarily a disease of old age" because it
    > takes a long time for toxins to damage the body to the
    > breaking point.

This is conjecture.

    > Cancer deaths in advanced-vs-developing countries are
    > difficult to compare. The poorer countries may have
    > worse standards for public exposure to industrial
    > toxins, with worse quality medical care.

Poorer countries have fewer industrial toxins to begin with. And cancer
was a common disease even before industrial toxins existed.

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Old Oct 31st 2004, 6:28 am
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    > Rod Speed writes:

    >>> It incurs no interest

    >> Quite a few cards vary on that particular detail, the interest free period.

    > In France, the interest-free period is pretty much universal.

Irrelevant to whether it is in fact basically
the same as a credit card in practice.

    > But the entire balance must be paid on the cycle date

But you can get credit/overdraft in the account its paid from.

    > (and in theory, the bank can call in the
    > debt earlier, although it never does).

Again, irrelevant to whether it is in fact basically
the same as a credit card in practice.

    >>> You can borrow no more than you can pay off in one month.

    >> Pity about the automatic overdraft which is nothing like that.

    > French banks don't offer automatic overdrafts, as a general rule.

Wrong. You've just misunderstood what I meant by the word automatic.

    > Some will tolerate small overdrafts with advance notice.

Just like credit cards to too, with advance specification of the credit limit.

    >>> Nobody carries $40,000 debts without revolving credit.

    >> Wrong again. Plenty do that with an overdraft.

    > Virtually nobody racks up $40,000 in credit-card charges in one month,

Duh.

    > and this is the only way to get $40,000 in debt with a standard French
    > credit card, since balances cannot be carried from month to month.

Pity about the overdraft which is where the debt ends up.
 
Old Oct 31st 2004, 6:30 am
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Antipodean Bucket Farmer writes:

    >> There are plenty of restrictions for departing Americans.

    > Not so.

Fraid so.

    > Americans may leave the country freely, with very rare exceptions.

He was obviously talking about the restrictions
imposed by the destination, given his next sentence.

    >> While the US government (like most others)
    >> doesn't care much about those who are leaving,

Which is saying just what you said.

    >> the destination countries certainly *do* care, and have
    >> requirements on who is issued work and residence permits.

    > They don't care about anyone who hasn't entered their countries.

Pathetic, really.

    > It's important to distinguish between emigration and immigration.

Nope, its always both with permanent movements.

    > Most developed nations place no restrictions
    > on the former, but many restrictions on the latter.

Which is what he said in different words.
 
Old Oct 31st 2004, 6:34 am
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Antipodean Bucket Farmer <[email protected]> wrote
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    > [email protected] says...
    >> Rod Speed writes

    >>> Crap. Deaths from cancer are comparable right thruout the first world.

    >> Heart disease typically leads cancer in deaths. The older
    >> the population, the more significant the number of deaths
    >> from cancer, which is primarily a disease of old age.

    > Cancer is "primarily a disease of old age" because it takes
    > a long time for toxins to damage the body to the breaking point.

Cancer isnt always due to 'toxins'

    > A young person just hasn't had time to smoke enough
    > cigarettes to beat their lungs into submission. Same with
    > food (plus chronic laziness), sun exposure, alcohol, etc.

And kids die of cancer anyway.

    > Cancer deaths in advanced-vs-developing countries
    > are difficult to compare. The poorer countries may
    > have worse standards for public exposure to industrial
    > toxins, with worse quality medical care.

And have a much higher chance of dying of something
else like an infectious disease in childhood, or something
as basic as everyone crapping in their drinking water supply.

    > Heart disease doesn't tend to happen suddenly,
    > either. Probably just a faster (although still so
    > often self-inflicted) end. And poor diet doesn't
    > automatically follow socioeconomic conditions.
 
Old Oct 31st 2004, 6:42 am
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    > Antipodean Bucket Farmer writes:

    >> Cancer is "primarily a disease of old age" because it takes
    >> a long time for toxins to damage the body to the breaking point.

    > This is conjecture.

Nope been proven a long time ago now, most obviously with smoking.

    >> Cancer deaths in advanced-vs-developing countries
    >> are difficult to compare. The poorer countries may
    >> have worse standards for public exposure to
    >> industrial toxins, with worse quality medical care.

    > Poorer countries have fewer industrial toxins to begin with.

Depends entirely on which parts of what poor countrys.

    > And cancerwas a common disease
    > even before industrial toxins existed.

Wrong. It wasnt actually that common at all then.
 
Old Oct 31st 2004, 7:42 am
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In article
<[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
    > Antipodean Bucket Farmer writes:
    >
    > > There are plenty of restrictions for departing Americans.
    >
    > Not so. Americans may leave the country freely, with very rare
    > exceptions.


As I said (which you then quoted)...


    > > While the US government (like most others)
    > > doesn't care much about those who are leaving,


And


    > > the
    > > destination countries certainly *do* care, and have
    > > requirements on who is issued work and residence
    > > permits.
    >
    > They don't care about anyone who hasn't entered their countries.


I order to leave one country, you have to go to another
country. Thus leaving America *always* involves
entering some other country.

And if you don't meet the restrictions of the
destination country, they can turn you around at the
airport and immediately send you right back to where
you came from. Which, in the big picture, means that
the person did *not* change their country of residence.

And if you get in somewhere under certain restrictions
(e.g. tourist visa), and then break those, you are
subject to being detained and sent right back to where
you came from.


    > It's important to distinguish between emigration and immigration.


I am will aware of the difference. And I am also aware
that leaving one place involves going to another place.
(The only legal alternative I can think of would be to
spend the rest of your life on a boat.)


    > Most developed nations place no restrictions on the former, but
    > many restrictions on the latter.


If you don't think that there are any restrictions on
leaving, try getting on an international flight without
a passport. Or try arriving at a foreign airport
without a return ticket, money, and/or official consent
(visa, waiver status, etc) and see how long your
attempt at leaving your home country lasts before you
are sent right back where you came from. In the long-
term big-picture, that equates to *not* really
emigrating.


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Old Oct 31st 2004, 8:05 am
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Following up to Frank F. Matthews

    >> Sure, those that go from UK have personal reasons, not because
    >> they are the starving, huddled masses.
    >That's true. The UK doesn't have enough population who are starving
    >huddled masses to compete with the volume of Indios who are moving north.

there is a current "exodus" of nurses (about 2000) don't know
what leave they will get in US? But my Texan friend doesn't get
enough to visit here with her husband :-(
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Old Oct 31st 2004, 8:05 am
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Following up to Magda

    >... so do you believe employers should choose staff without children
    > ... over those without and ask at interviews if women plan to have a
    > ... family?
    >They should. But somehow they got this strange idea that a parent will be more committed
    >to the job, for fear of losing it, having blah a family blah to feed blah blah. They could
    >not be more wrong.

do they not have equal opportunities legislation where you are?
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Old Oct 31st 2004, 8:05 am
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Following up to Frank F. Matthews

    >But 9x salary means that even at a 5% mortgage you are probably over 50%
    >of salary for housing costs alone. Add in income tax and other living
    >costs and I don't see how this is sustainable.

I thought when I heard of 4x it was scary. When I took out a 3x
many years ago there was high inflation which soon "destroyed" a
mortgage, that no longer applies.
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Old Oct 31st 2004, 8:05 am
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Following up to Ellie C

    >> Jazz and the Blues. Tex-Mex and Cajun?

    >What about demolition derbys? Monster trucks? ;-) Religions services
    >involving poisonous snakes? Nah, that's probably done elsewhere as well.
    >Religion is universally stupid.

US, like Ireland, went out of its way to have its own sports to
separate it from its colonial oppressors..
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Old Oct 31st 2004, 8:31 am
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Antipodean Bucket Farmer writes:

    > I order to leave one country, you have to go to another
    > country.

No, you can leave by boat, and once you are outside the country limit
your in stateless international waters.

    > And if you don't meet the restrictions of the
    > destination country, they can turn you around at the
    > airport and immediately send you right back to where
    > you came from. Which, in the big picture, means that
    > the person did *not* change their country of residence.

But once you arrive at your destination, you're immigrating, not
emigrating.

    > I am will aware of the difference. And I am also aware
    > that leaving one place involves going to another place.
    > (The only legal alternative I can think of would be to
    > spend the rest of your life on a boat.)

So there is an exception.

    > If you don't think that there are any restrictions on
    > leaving, try getting on an international flight without
    > a passport.

All you have to do is apply for a passport.

In any case, I know of people who have done exactly that, boarding
without a passport. They had some difficulties upon arrival, but they
got in.

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Old Oct 31st 2004, 8:33 am
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Rod Speed writes:

    > Nope been proven a long time ago now, most obviously with smoking.

The causes of most forms of cancer remain unknown. Even for types of
cancer for which some strong evidence of cause and effect exists, the
exact mechanism of causation is often still very unclear.

    > Wrong. It wasnt actually that common at all then.

It was among people who lived long enough. More than half of all
cancers occur after age 65.

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Old Oct 31st 2004, 8:50 am
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:05:25 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, The Reids
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Following up to Magda
...
... >... so do you believe employers should choose staff without children
... > ... over those without and ask at interviews if women plan to have a
... > ... family?
... >
... >They should. But somehow they got this strange idea that a parent will be more committed
... >to the job, for fear of losing it, having blah a family blah to feed blah blah. They could
... >not be more wrong.
...
... do they not have equal opportunities legislation where you are?

Some seem to think that laws were made to be transgressed.
 
Old Oct 31st 2004, 10:20 am
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I got a good laugh out of your responses, ABF. :-D

"Antipodean Bucket Farmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > In article
    > <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] says...
    > > Antipodean Bucket Farmer writes:
    > >
    > > > There are plenty of restrictions for departing Americans.
    > >
    > > Not so. Americans may leave the country freely, with very rare
    > > exceptions.
    > As I said (which you then quoted)...
    > > > While the US government (like most others)
    > > > doesn't care much about those who are leaving,
    > And
    > > > the
    > > > destination countries certainly *do* care, and have
    > > > requirements on who is issued work and residence
    > > > permits.
    > >
    > >
    > > They don't care about anyone who hasn't entered their countries.
    > I order to leave one country, you have to go to another
    > country. Thus leaving America *always* involves
    > entering some other country.
    > And if you don't meet the restrictions of the
    > destination country, they can turn you around at the
    > airport and immediately send you right back to where
    > you came from. Which, in the big picture, means that
    > the person did *not* change their country of residence.
    > And if you get in somewhere under certain restrictions
    > (e.g. tourist visa), and then break those, you are
    > subject to being detained and sent right back to where
    > you came from.
    > > It's important to distinguish between emigration and immigration.
    > I am will aware of the difference. And I am also aware
    > that leaving one place involves going to another place.
    > (The only legal alternative I can think of would be to
    > spend the rest of your life on a boat.)
    > > Most developed nations place no restrictions on the former, but
    > > many restrictions on the latter.
    > If you don't think that there are any restrictions on
    > leaving, try getting on an international flight without
    > a passport. Or try arriving at a foreign airport
    > without a return ticket, money, and/or official consent
    > (visa, waiver status, etc) and see how long your
    > attempt at leaving your home country lasts before you
    > are sent right back where you came from. In the long-
    > term big-picture, that equates to *not* really
    > emigrating.
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