Martin

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:14:30 +0200, "Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    >viestiss�:[email protected]. nl...
    >> "Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    >> [Severely snipping because there no longer is any point.]
    >>> > The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first
    >>> > passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage
    >>> > inspection/check-in/drop-off.
    >>> >
    >>> Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this.
    >> For *example* Schiphol airport ("Amsterdam").
    >Bull. At Schiphol one checks in at ONE counter. I have never done it at more
    >than one counter at Schiphol (even though I usually don't have anything to
    >do in Amsterdam itself but use the airport just for changing planes and most
    >often I have been given boarding cards for following legs at the start
    >point, if this is not the case you typically can check in the transit area).
    >Check in takes place in front of rows of booths which are indicated ..
    >well... as "check in". You pick any of them (different "classes" typically
    >have dedicated booths) to check in for a flight - only one.

but if you are in transit how would you know?

http://www.schiphol.nl/_inchecken_ba...=1164191268940

Self-service check-in
Amsterdam Airport Schiphol is in the process of automating and speeding up the
passenger process to offer you an even better level of service. At Amsterdam
Airport Schiphol you can make use of Self-service check-in facilities. This
means that you can check yourself in with the aid of machines (kiosks).
Self-service check-in is being introduced in Departures 1, 2 and 3. The kiosks
are situated close to the check-in desks of the airlines in question.

How does it work?

1. You put your passport, credit card or frequent flyer card in the reader
of the kiosk.
2. You enter the required information.
3. You are offered the possibility to change the reserved seats.
4. You round off the check-in process and receive your boarding pass.
5. You go to the Drop-off Point (the existing check-in desks) to check in
your (hold) baggage.
--

Martin

Miguel Cruz

"Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    > viestiss�:[email protected] l...
    > > "Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    > >
    > > [Severely snipping because there no longer is any point.]
    > >
    > >> > The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first
    > >> > passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage
    > >> > inspection/check-in/drop-off.
    > >> >
    > >> Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this.
    > >
    > > For *example* Schiphol airport ("Amsterdam").
    > >
    > Bull. At Schiphol one checks in at ONE counter. I have never done it at more
    > than one counter at Schiphol (even though I usually don't have anything to
    > do in Amsterdam itself but use the airport just for changing planes and most
    > often I have been given boarding cards for following legs at the start
    > point, if this is not the case you typically can check in the transit area).
    > Check in takes place in front of rows of booths which are indicated ..
    > well... as "check in". You pick any of them (different "classes" typically
    > have dedicated booths) to check in for a flight - only one.

I don't know whether every airline does it the same way, but at Schiphol
I frequently use the electronic kiosks to check in. I am pretty sure you
can use them whether or not you have already checked in online, though
there may be a separate batch of machines for those people.

I am about to board a flight to there, and I have a couple hours to kill
after I get there (meeting another arriving passenger), so I will try to
wander upstairs and have a look and report back, so we can put this
clash of the titans to rest.

miguel
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Markku Gr�nroos

"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:spam-049A8D.21265322112006@[127.0.0.1.in-addr.arpa.noptr.antlabs.com]...
    > I don't know whether every airline does it the same way, but at Schiphol
    > I frequently use the electronic kiosks to check in. I am pretty sure you
    > can use them whether or not you have already checked in online, though
    > there may be a separate batch of machines for those people.
So you double check at some circumtances?

Martin

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:27:09 +0800, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    >> viestiss�:[email protected] l...
    >> > "Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    >> >
    >> > [Severely snipping because there no longer is any point.]
    >> >
    >> >> > The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first
    >> >> > passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage
    >> >> > inspection/check-in/drop-off.
    >> >> >
    >> >> Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this.
    >> >
    >> > For *example* Schiphol airport ("Amsterdam").
    >> >
    >> Bull. At Schiphol one checks in at ONE counter. I have never done it at more
    >> than one counter at Schiphol (even though I usually don't have anything to
    >> do in Amsterdam itself but use the airport just for changing planes and most
    >> often I have been given boarding cards for following legs at the start
    >> point, if this is not the case you typically can check in the transit area).
    >> Check in takes place in front of rows of booths which are indicated ..
    >> well... as "check in". You pick any of them (different "classes" typically
    >> have dedicated booths) to check in for a flight - only one.
    >I don't know whether every airline does it the same way, but at Schiphol
    >I frequently use the electronic kiosks to check in. I am pretty sure you
    >can use them whether or not you have already checked in online, though
    >there may be a separate batch of machines for those people.
    >I am about to board a flight to there, and I have a couple hours to kill
    >after I get there (meeting another arriving passenger), so I will try to
    >wander upstairs and have a look and report back, so we can put this
    >clash of the titans to rest.

Visit the Schiphol Rijksmuseum between piers E and F instead.
--

Martin

Frank Slootweg

"Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    > viestiss?:[email protected] l...
    > > "Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    > >
    > > [Severely snipping because there no longer is any point.]
    > >
    > >> > The process *I* am describing is more or less the reverse, first
    > >> > passenger check-in and then (and a seperate counter) hold-luggage
    > >> > inspection/check-in/drop-off.
    > >> >
    > >> Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this.
    > >
    > > For *example* Schiphol airport ("Amsterdam").
    > >
    > Bull. At Schiphol one checks in at ONE counter. I have never done it at more
    > than one counter at Schiphol (even though I usually don't have anything to
    > do in Amsterdam itself but use the airport just for changing planes and most
    > often I have been given boarding cards for following legs at the start
    > point, if this is not the case you typically can check in the transit area).
    > Check in takes place in front of rows of booths which are indicated ..
    > well... as "check in". You pick any of them (different "classes" typically
    > have dedicated booths) to check in for a flight - only one.

Ah, we're now into post-editing, are we? Who do you think you're
fooling?

Next time *read* the part you (*silently*) *snipped* and at least
*try* to understand it. Hint: "*sometimes*" and "*exceptions*", NOT
"routines".

[restored:]

<quote>

And as I said in my very first response (on *this* subject): These are
*sometimes* used for (increased) *security* reasons, i.e. they are *not*
"routines", but *exceptions* to the general routines:

    > > Check in is always proceeded in no more than one counter no matter
    > > whether you have a pre-printed boarding card or not.
    >
    > In this day and age of increased security, that's no longer always
    > the case.
    >
    > Sometimes there are seperate drop-off points for luggage (which is
    > going into the hold), where passengers have to present their luggage
    > for security screening and subsequent check-in. I.e. in that case,
    > traditional check-in is two stops/'counters', one for passenger
    > check-in (seat-assignment/passport+visa-check/boarding-pass) and one
    > for luggage security-check/check-in.

</quote>

QED. Thanks for playing. HTH. EOD. HAND.

Markku Gr�nroos

"Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email protected] l...
    >> >> >
    >> >> Name one airport in which routines are arranged like this.
    >> >
    >> > For *example* Schiphol airport ("Amsterdam").
    >> >
    >> Bull. At Schiphol one checks in at ONE counter. I have never done it at
    >> more
    >> than one counter at Schiphol (even though I usually don't have anything
    >> to
    >> do in Amsterdam itself but use the airport just for changing planes and
    >> most
    >> often I have been given boarding cards for following legs at the start
    >> point, if this is not the case you typically can check in the transit
    >> area).
    >> Check in takes place in front of rows of booths which are indicated ..
    >> well... as "check in". You pick any of them (different "classes"
    >> typically
    >> have dedicated booths) to check in for a flight - only one.
    > Ah, we're now into post-editing, are we? Who do you think you're
    > fooling?
    > Next time *read* the part you (*silently*) *snipped* and at least
    > *try* to understand it. Hint: "*sometimes*" and "*exceptions*", NOT
    > "routines".
I didn't snip anything. You did. at Schiphol you visit one check in counter.

    > [restored:]
    > <quote>
    > And as I said in my very first response (on *this* subject): These are
    > *sometimes* used for (increased) *security* reasons, i.e. they are *not*
    > "routines", but *exceptions* to the general routines:
Security checks are not part of check in procedures. Check in takes place in
one place (at home, at the airport....). Perhaps on planet Trafalmadore one
has to visit several check in counters. On Earth it must be very rare and
hence is not an issue. Those who haven't checked in at counter are not
immune to security checks (which actually is not an issue) but they have to
go through the inspection in the same fashion with those who check in at
counter.

Frank Slootweg

Dave Proctor <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 20 Nov 2006 18:37:33 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Yes, I already mentioned that and that's why I said "main advantage".
    > >
    > > And, in case it wasn't clear, all the "You still have to:" actions are
    > >done at a *single* and *special* counter (i.e. not the normal check-in
    > >counters), which, because the actions are relatively simple/fast,
    > >normally won't have long queues, if any.
    >
    > What if I only have cabin baggage? I check-in at home, print out my
    > BP, arrive at the airport, go through immigration, clear security, and
    > the first the airline sees of meis when I show up at the gate. What
    > then?

I don't know because we did have hold-luggage and no printed boarding
passes yet. AFAIK you have to show up anyway at said counter. Perhaps
the Singapore Airlines site has information which answers your question.

Anyway, I think these are rather theoretical scenarios. While the OP
hasn't specifically said so, considering the airline (Cathay Pacific)
and Newsgroups, the question probably is about intercontinental travel,
i.e. unlikely (but not impossible) that one only has cabin-luggage
(especially considering the recent security and size restrictions on
that).

Dave Proctor

On 22 Nov 2006 18:58:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]>
wrote:

    > Anyway, I think these are rather theoretical scenarios. While the OP
    >hasn't specifically said so, considering the airline (Cathay Pacific)
    >and Newsgroups, the question probably is about intercontinental travel,
    >i.e. unlikely (but not impossible) that one only has cabin-luggage
    >(especially considering the recent security and size restrictions on
    >that).

I OFTEN have only cabin baggae when flying on intercontinental flights
- I flew SYD-HKG-FRA//CDG-HKG-SYD last week with only cabin baggae.

=====================

Dave

There are 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.

Miguel Cruz

Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
    > I don't know whether every airline does it the same way, but at Schiphol
    > I frequently use the electronic kiosks to check in. I am pretty sure you
    > can use them whether or not you have already checked in online, though
    > there may be a separate batch of machines for those people.
    >
    > I am about to board a flight to there, and I have a couple hours to kill
    > after I get there (meeting another arriving passenger), so I will try to
    > wander upstairs and have a look and report back, so we can put this
    > clash of the titans to rest.

Unfortunately, the area with the machines was designated for passengers
only, and I was not flying out (and in any event not on KLM). It wasn't
really clear from the signs I could see from behind the cordon whether
passengers who had checked in online and were just dropping off bags
were diverted from the others. Sorry.

miguel
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Frank Slootweg

Dave Proctor <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 22 Nov 2006 18:58:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Anyway, I think these are rather theoretical scenarios. While the OP
    > >hasn't specifically said so, considering the airline (Cathay Pacific)
    > >and Newsgroups, the question probably is about intercontinental travel,
    > >i.e. unlikely (but not impossible) that one only has cabin-luggage
    > >(especially considering the recent security and size restrictions on
    > >that).
    >
    > I OFTEN have only cabin baggae when flying on intercontinental flights
    > - I flew SYD-HKG-FRA//CDG-HKG-SYD last week with only cabin baggae.

Fair enough, but I still think that for recreational travel groups,
that's an exception, by no means the rule.

Chris Blunt

On 22 Nov 2006 18:58:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]>
wrote:

    > Anyway, I think these are rather theoretical scenarios. While the OP
    >hasn't specifically said so, considering the airline (Cathay Pacific)
    >and Newsgroups, the question probably is about intercontinental travel,
    >i.e. unlikely (but not impossible) that one only has cabin-luggage
    >(especially considering the recent security and size restrictions on
    >that).

The vast majority of Cathay Pacific's flights are within Asia,
typically 2 or 3 hours flying time from Hong Kong. Taking cabin
baggage only wouldn't be anything unusual there.

The original question seems to have got lost among a lot of irrelevant
nonsense, but my experience with Cathay Pacific's online check-in has
been very straightforward. You can check-in online up to 48 hours in
advance of your the departure. It seems to be only a partial check-in,
and all that happens online is you get to pick your seat and get
confirmation of this. You don't get an actual boarding pass to print
out, as you do with some other airlines.

When you arrive at the airport you go to a special check-in desk
marked "Internet and Special Services" where you drop off any check-in
bags, have your passport and (if appropriate) your visa checked. You
then collect your boarding pass and continue on through immigration
just as you would have normally done.

Chris