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Obtaining a Spanish NIE number

Old May 6th 2003, 8:25 pm
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Eddie
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My girlfriend lives in the UK, but would like to work in Alicante in Spain
for an extended period.

She needs to obtain an NIE number (Numero de Identificacion de Extranjeros),
but is telling me that that these numbers are hard to obtain whilst in
Spain, as it involves very long queues at the local police station, and
could take many days of queuing.

Is she telling the truth ? What are people's experiences here getting an
NIE number ? Is it possible to obtain an NIE number whilst she is in the
UK, or by some other legal method ?
 
Old May 6th 2003, 9:27 pm
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Eddie wrote:
    > My girlfriend lives in the UK, but would like to work in Alicante in
    > Spain for an extended period.
    > She needs to obtain an NIE number (Numero de Identificacion de
    > Extranjeros), but is telling me that that these numbers are hard to
    > obtain whilst in Spain, as it involves very long queues at the local
    > police station, and could take many days of queuing.
    > Is she telling the truth ? What are people's experiences here
    > getting an NIE number ? Is it possible to obtain an NIE number
    > whilst she is in the UK, or by some other legal method ?


Watching a BBC2 TV programme tonight about family relocating to Spain. The
Husband had to go to the Police station to register, he did say it might
take 8/10 days to get his number.
HTH
Jan


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Old May 6th 2003, 11:01 pm
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"Brian" wrote
    > EU-country nationality/passport? Does she have the right
    > documentation? Does she have a permanent address is Spain?

Thanks for replying Brian, it is much appreciated.

Yes, she has an EU passport, and she will live at her parent's house in
Spain for the time being, with a view to getting her own place. She does
not yet have a job secured but seems to be pretty confident she will get one
in her chosen field which is travel/tourism. She speaks fluent Spanish.

She seems to be looking at getting more than just a job, but a career there,
so it could turn out to be permanent.

Would it be better for her to secure the job first and then get an NIE
(while her employer presumably has to wait), or could she start the job
straightaway and get the NIE application in at the same time?

    > My own experience (about 3 years ago) was that it took 4 visits of
    > between 30 minutes and 3 hours over a period of almost a year to get
    > the NIE,

A year !? What do all these people who get seasonal jobs do ? Surely they
must get one faster, or perhaps they just work illegaly.
 
Old May 6th 2003, 11:24 pm
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On Tue, 06 May 2003 20:25:17 GMT, "Eddie" wrote:

    >My girlfriend lives in the UK, but would like to work in Alicante in Spain
    >for an extended period.
    >She needs to obtain an NIE number (Numero de Identificacion de Extranjeros),
    >but is telling me that that these numbers are hard to obtain whilst in
    >Spain, as it involves very long queues at the local police station, and
    >could take many days of queuing.
    >Is she telling the truth ? What are people's experiences here getting an
    >NIE number ? Is it possible to obtain an NIE number whilst she is in the
    >UK, or by some other legal method ?
Time taken will certainly vary from place to place and probably on the
way which you apply.
The first questions is .. does she qualify ... Does she have an
EU-country nationality/passport? Does she have the right
documentation? Does she have a permanent address is Spain? Does she
have work?
Check with you embassy, they have the latest information on what is
required.
Getting the correct papers and documents for the application will
probably save a couple of visits.

Yes she will have to queue at the local police station (or
equivalent).
Yes, it can take hours and sometimes days in the larger and busier
places.
To be honest, if she doesn't have the patience to queue for the
correct documentation she might not fit in in Spain, where patience is
not only a virtue, it is a way of life ;-) .... except in major
business and tourist centres where they are impatient, rushed and
stressed just like they are in other major cities all over the
(civilised?) world.
Large places like Barcelona and Madrid will have long queues and
probably take a very long time ... just like in London, Amsterdam,
Paris etc etc. etc etc

My own experience (about 3 years ago) was that it took 4 visits of
between 30 minutes and 3 hours over a period of almost a year to get
the NIE, but we emigrated permanently and were also setting up a
business on one of the smaller Canary Islands (Yes they are part of
Spain) so that may have made the process longer.
Curiously, most official organisations will accept the yellow copy of
the NIE application form as if it was the real thing. In our
experience this included banks, tax office, social security (for
making contributions), councils(setting up a business) and Notaries
(when we bought our house).

The rules were changed earlier this year to make it easier for EU
residents to move around. Although I think the new rules only apply
to people who have employment.

B.T.W. It would also help if you defined your term "extended period" -
3 months, 3 years, 30 years?

Brian
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Old May 6th 2003, 11:34 pm
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"Eddie" wrote in message
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    > My girlfriend lives in the UK, but would like to work in Alicante in Spain
    > for an extended period.
    > She needs to obtain an NIE number (Numero de Identificacion de
Extranjeros),
    > but is telling me that that these numbers are hard to obtain whilst in
    > Spain, as it involves very long queues at the local police station, and
    > could take many days of queuing.
    > Is she telling the truth ? What are people's experiences here getting an
    > NIE number ? Is it possible to obtain an NIE number whilst she is in the
    > UK, or by some other legal method ?

I am not sure if this is helpful but on the British Embassy (Madrid) website
http://www.ukinspain.com/english/con...s/settling.asp
there is an section about Long Term stays and the fact that we are all in
the European Community these days and the regualtions concerning the need
for Residence Cards has recently altered.
Clearly the person requesting for certain documentation may be not
conversant with the correct up to date laws concerning cross border
residency etc.
A passport is now normally accepted as Proof of ID.
Maybe it is the Tax system that requires some registration?
I have always found Spanish bureaucracy confusing to say the least.
 
Old May 7th 2003, 9:30 am
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On Tue, 06 May 2003 20:25:17 GMT, "Eddie" wrote:

    >My girlfriend lives in the UK, but would like to work in Alicante in Spain
    >for an extended period.
    >She needs to obtain an NIE number (Numero de Identificacion de Extranjeros),
    >but is telling me that that these numbers are hard to obtain whilst in
    >Spain, as it involves very long queues at the local police station, and
    >could take many days of queuing.
    >Is she telling the truth ? What are people's experiences here getting an
    >NIE number ? Is it possible to obtain an NIE number whilst she is in the
    >UK, or by some other legal method ?

Hello!
I live in Spain as a EU citizen- in Mallorca.

If you do not want to do any queuing, although that is getting less
and less in places where they separate the EU applicants from the
non-EU applicants (it's just handing in the paperwork) use a GESTOR.

A recent change is that you do not need a residence card anymore- as
that was just a formality anyway when you are a EU citizen.

But of course you need a NIE BEFORE you start working. They need a NIE
to start all the paperwork themselves.

Normally the NIE number itself only takes a week- it is the actual
paper residence card that takes ages.
Although you don't need the residence card for identification purposes
anymore you DO need it to identify yourself with a NIE for opening a
(resident) bankaccount etc. So you don't but you do....

You can start opening a non-resident bankaccount to start with anyway.

Hope this helps!

Anjo
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Old May 7th 2003, 11:01 pm
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On Tue, 06 May 2003 23:01:51 GMT, "Eddie" wrote:

    >"Brian" wrote
    >> EU-country nationality/passport? Does she have the right
    >> documentation? Does she have a permanent address is Spain?
    >Thanks for replying Brian, it is much appreciated.
    >Yes, she has an EU passport, and she will live at her parent's house in
    >Spain for the time being, with a view to getting her own place. She does
    >not yet have a job secured but seems to be pretty confident she will get one
    >in her chosen field which is travel/tourism. She speaks fluent Spanish.
    >She seems to be looking at getting more than just a job, but a career there,
    >so it could turn out to be permanent.
    >Would it be better for her to secure the job first and then get an NIE
    >(while her employer presumably has to wait), or could she start the job
    >straightaway and get the NIE application in at the same time?

My information is that you should first get an employment contract and
then go and get your NIE. This is effectively what we did.
The employer can't start the employment/tax/socialsecurity paperwork
without it.
As someone else mentioned, the issuing of the number doesn't take
long, it's the residency part that can (or used to) take a long
time.

    >> My own experience (about 3 years ago) was that it took 4 visits of
    >> between 30 minutes and 3 hours over a period of almost a year to get
    >> the NIE,
    >A year !? What do all these people who get seasonal jobs do ? Surely they
    >must get one faster, or perhaps they just work illegaly.
On one website I saw it said that there are easier rules for people
staying and working for less than 6 months - it didn't say what!

Brian
www.islalapalma.com
 
Old May 24th 2004, 8:53 pm
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Hello

There's a lot of useful information in this thread but I'm going to provide a list which is a bit more comprehensive:

EU citizens

European Union citizens can enter, exit, travel and remain in Spain. However one should apply for a resident's permit if they (tarjeta de residencia) in order to stay for longer than three months.



Temporary residence permits are issued for periods of between three months and one year; permanent residence permits are issued for five years and are automatically renewable.
How to get a permit
Applications must be made in person at the foreigners' office (Oficina de Extranjeros) or the national police station (Comisaría de Policía Nacional) with a foreigners' department in the city or district in which you are going to live.
You will be required to present the following documentation:
• Passport valid for at least six months
• Three photographs of the correct size
• Medical certificate (certificado medico), when required
• Proof of family relationship, when applying for reuniting family members
• Proof of your financial support while you are in Spain: your pension, or copy of your work contract if you are going to work in Spain as employee, or documented proof that you meet the necessary requirements to work on your own account if you plan to be self-employed
You should carry your residence card with you at all times — it constitutes a mandatory identity card for foreign residents in Spain.

Non-EU citizens

Foreigners from outside the EU need a residence permit to live in Spain.
To enter the country, non-EU citizens are required to show a valid passport and the corresponding visa.
Visitors can stay for 90 days, but in order to stay in Spain it is necessary to obtain either an extension or a residence permit.
Types of residence permit
• Temporary residence permit: This allows you to remain in Spain for a period of time between 90 days and five years. The permit may be renewed after that time.
• Permanent residency permit: This is available to all foreigners who have held a normal residence permit for a continuous period of five years. It should be renewed every five years.
• Residency permit for special circumstances: This is for non EU-foreigners whose asylum application had been rejected but who have been authorised to stay in Spain by the Spanish Ministry of the Interior.
• Residency permit for reuniting families: This permit entitles non-EU foreigners residing in Spain to apply for the Spanish residence of the closest family. The applicant must have been legally residing in Spain for at least one year and must have authorisation for another year.




You should carry your residence card with you at all times — it constitutes a mandatory identity card for foreign residents in Spain.


How to get a permit

Applications must be made in person at the foreigners' office (Oficina de Extranjeros) or the national police station (Comisaría de Policía Nacional) with a Foreigners' department in the city in which you are going to live.
You must present the following documentation, depending on the type of permit you are applying for:
• Valid passport
• Current residence visa
• Proof of previous legal residence of the foreigner in Spain, e.g. a long-term rental contract or receipts for rent
• Certificate of criminal record issued by the authorities of the foreigner's home country
• Several passport-size photographs
• Medical certificate (certificado medico), if this has not already been presented for the visa application
• Proof of financial income to support you during the period of residence in Spain —pension details, salary slips, etc
• Proof that your health assistance is guaranteed during your residence in Spain
• Marriage or divorce certificate or other papers relating to your marital status
A Spanish translation will be required when applying for reuniting your family.
Residence permits will be renewed, provided that neither your personal nor economic situation has changed.
Applications must be made at least a month before the residence permit has expired, otherwise you could be fined.
Residence permits are issued by the Spanish Ministry of Public Safety (Ministerio del Interior). You should carry your residence card with you at all times as it constitutes a mandatory identity card for foreign residents in Spain.


Hope this is of use.
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Originally posted by Brian
On Tue, 06 May 2003 23:01:51 GMT, "Eddie" wrote:

    >"Brian" wrote
    >> EU-country nationality/passport? Does she have the right
    >> documentation? Does she have a permanent address is Spain?
    >Thanks for replying Brian, it is much appreciated.
    >Yes, she has an EU passport, and she will live at her parent's house in
    >Spain for the time being, with a view to getting her own place. She does
    >not yet have a job secured but seems to be pretty confident she will get one
    >in her chosen field which is travel/tourism. She speaks fluent Spanish.
    >She seems to be looking at getting more than just a job, but a career there,
    >so it could turn out to be permanent.
    >Would it be better for her to secure the job first and then get an NIE
    >(while her employer presumably has to wait), or could she start the job
    >straightaway and get the NIE application in at the same time?

My information is that you should first get an employment contract and
then go and get your NIE. This is effectively what we did.
The employer can't start the employment/tax/socialsecurity paperwork
without it.
As someone else mentioned, the issuing of the number doesn't take
long, it's the residency part that can (or used to) take a long
time.

    >> My own experience (about 3 years ago) was that it took 4 visits of
    >> between 30 minutes and 3 hours over a period of almost a year to get
    >> the NIE,
    >A year !? What do all these people who get seasonal jobs do ? Surely they
    >must get one faster, or perhaps they just work illegaly.
On one website I saw it said that there are easier rules for people
staying and working for less than 6 months - it didn't say what!

Brian
www.islalapalma.com
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