Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
Apr 2nd 2005, 12:53 am
#1
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Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
Needless to say, the impending passing of the Pontiff is going to cause a
serious stir in the usual activities in Rome, so I think whoever is going
to come to Rome should be prepared to that with some insight.
Since the moment of the official announcement of the passing, the Vatican
Flags fly at half mast, and, starting from the main bell of St. Peter, the
"mortorio" is played, first in St. Peter, then in Rome, and then in all the
catholic churches of the world.
The passing of the Pope starts the so called "novendiali" (lat. novem dies
= nine days) which are nine days of deep mourning and ceremonies held by
the Cardinals, who are starting to come to Rome in these very moments,
after the "Ordo exsequiarum Romani Pontificis".
After the passing, the mortal remains are first exposed in the Apostolic
Palace, on the right side of St. Peters until high noon of the next day for
the most intimate collaborators of the Pope to pay the last visit, then it
is moved for three days in the Sistine Chapel for the chiefs of State and
Government, cardinals, the nobles of Rome, diplomats and ambassadors.
At the beginning of the fourth day, the remains of the Pope are once again
moved to the nave of St. Peters, in front of the Confession Altar for the
whole Christianity to pay the last salute while the cathedral is filled in
prayer. Swiss and Palace Guards surround the huge catafalque in guard of
honour.
Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are expected to be coming
to Rome in those days.
On the sixth day, the funeral rite is held, and the Pope is tumulated in
the Grotte Vaticane, together with St. Peter and the other popes, unless a
last will from the Pope says otherwise. It is possible (and rumoured) that
John Paul II has expressed the will to be buried in his native Poland.
From the seventh to the ninth day, masses continue to be held in St.
Peters.
All the churches in and around Rome are under the ministry of the hundred
or so of cardinals who will come from all over the world, and likely will
be celebrating rites with very increased frequency.
From the fifteenth to the twentieth day after the passing of the Pope, the
Conclave (the assembly of the Cardinals who will elect the new Pope) starts
in the Sistine Chapel (which of course will be closed to the public).
During the Conclave, the Cardinals are bound to the maximum secrecy, and
(unless a special permit allows them to) cannot, at risk of
incommunication, leave the premises of the Vatican City or communicate with
the world by any means. The voting Cardinals are bound to vote "having
before their eyes only the Glory of God and the good for the Church".
The new Pontiff is elected by the majority of two third of the votes. One
voting sessions is held usually every morning and one every evening.
After seven voting sessions, if a new Pope has not been elected, the new
constitution calls for a day of prayer and reflection, and then the
assembly starts over. After every vote, the ballots are burned and - in the
case the majority is not reached - the plume of black smoke (ballots and
additives, traditionally fresh leaves) rising from the chimney gives the
world the announcement that there is not a new Pope, yet.
After a maximum of four rounds of seven votings, if the majority of two
thirds of the Cardinals is not reached, a final vote with absolute majority
(half the votes +1) is cast.
When a new Pontiff is finally elected, ballots are burned and the plume of
white smoke announces the election of the Pope.
Historical records cite Conclaves prolonged for as long as three years, but
after the reform promulgated by Pope John Paul II, such durations are no
longer possible. Pope John Paul II was elected after three days of
conclave, his predecessor after less than 24 hours.
A reasonable estimate for the maximum duration possible is about ten days
to two weeks, considering that after such a Pope, election his successor
will not be an easy task.
Bottom line: during the funeral rites and the subsequent Conclave, the
traveller may well found him/herself in a quite different Rome the travel
reports usually depict. The Sistine Chapel will be shut and all activities
inside the Vatican will be probably deeply affected by such an important
shift, such as those in Rome.
Pilgrims are expected to come from all over the World to pay the last
hommage to the Pontiff in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and
an emergency plan is being deployed in these very hours to accommodate and
assist them all.
Nevertheless, it can and probably will be an unique experience for the
occasional traveller in their lifetime, and sometimes a moving one even for
the non catholic - non christian, as those occasions where history unfolds
itself before one's very eyes often are.
QQG
--
I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.
serious stir in the usual activities in Rome, so I think whoever is going
to come to Rome should be prepared to that with some insight.
Since the moment of the official announcement of the passing, the Vatican
Flags fly at half mast, and, starting from the main bell of St. Peter, the
"mortorio" is played, first in St. Peter, then in Rome, and then in all the
catholic churches of the world.
The passing of the Pope starts the so called "novendiali" (lat. novem dies
= nine days) which are nine days of deep mourning and ceremonies held by
the Cardinals, who are starting to come to Rome in these very moments,
after the "Ordo exsequiarum Romani Pontificis".
After the passing, the mortal remains are first exposed in the Apostolic
Palace, on the right side of St. Peters until high noon of the next day for
the most intimate collaborators of the Pope to pay the last visit, then it
is moved for three days in the Sistine Chapel for the chiefs of State and
Government, cardinals, the nobles of Rome, diplomats and ambassadors.
At the beginning of the fourth day, the remains of the Pope are once again
moved to the nave of St. Peters, in front of the Confession Altar for the
whole Christianity to pay the last salute while the cathedral is filled in
prayer. Swiss and Palace Guards surround the huge catafalque in guard of
honour.
Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are expected to be coming
to Rome in those days.
On the sixth day, the funeral rite is held, and the Pope is tumulated in
the Grotte Vaticane, together with St. Peter and the other popes, unless a
last will from the Pope says otherwise. It is possible (and rumoured) that
John Paul II has expressed the will to be buried in his native Poland.
From the seventh to the ninth day, masses continue to be held in St.
Peters.
All the churches in and around Rome are under the ministry of the hundred
or so of cardinals who will come from all over the world, and likely will
be celebrating rites with very increased frequency.
From the fifteenth to the twentieth day after the passing of the Pope, the
Conclave (the assembly of the Cardinals who will elect the new Pope) starts
in the Sistine Chapel (which of course will be closed to the public).
During the Conclave, the Cardinals are bound to the maximum secrecy, and
(unless a special permit allows them to) cannot, at risk of
incommunication, leave the premises of the Vatican City or communicate with
the world by any means. The voting Cardinals are bound to vote "having
before their eyes only the Glory of God and the good for the Church".
The new Pontiff is elected by the majority of two third of the votes. One
voting sessions is held usually every morning and one every evening.
After seven voting sessions, if a new Pope has not been elected, the new
constitution calls for a day of prayer and reflection, and then the
assembly starts over. After every vote, the ballots are burned and - in the
case the majority is not reached - the plume of black smoke (ballots and
additives, traditionally fresh leaves) rising from the chimney gives the
world the announcement that there is not a new Pope, yet.
After a maximum of four rounds of seven votings, if the majority of two
thirds of the Cardinals is not reached, a final vote with absolute majority
(half the votes +1) is cast.
When a new Pontiff is finally elected, ballots are burned and the plume of
white smoke announces the election of the Pope.
Historical records cite Conclaves prolonged for as long as three years, but
after the reform promulgated by Pope John Paul II, such durations are no
longer possible. Pope John Paul II was elected after three days of
conclave, his predecessor after less than 24 hours.
A reasonable estimate for the maximum duration possible is about ten days
to two weeks, considering that after such a Pope, election his successor
will not be an easy task.
Bottom line: during the funeral rites and the subsequent Conclave, the
traveller may well found him/herself in a quite different Rome the travel
reports usually depict. The Sistine Chapel will be shut and all activities
inside the Vatican will be probably deeply affected by such an important
shift, such as those in Rome.
Pilgrims are expected to come from all over the World to pay the last
hommage to the Pontiff in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and
an emergency plan is being deployed in these very hours to accommodate and
assist them all.
Nevertheless, it can and probably will be an unique experience for the
occasional traveller in their lifetime, and sometimes a moving one even for
the non catholic - non christian, as those occasions where history unfolds
itself before one's very eyes often are.
QQG
--
I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.
Apr 2nd 2005, 7:02 am
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Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
quiqueg wrote:
> Needless to say, the impending passing of the Pontiff is going to
cause a
> serious stir in the usual activities in Rome, so I think whoever is
going
> to come to Rome should be prepared to that with some insight.
>
Tell someone that cares.
> Needless to say, the impending passing of the Pontiff is going to
cause a
> serious stir in the usual activities in Rome, so I think whoever is
going
> to come to Rome should be prepared to that with some insight.
>
Tell someone that cares.
Apr 2nd 2005, 7:04 am
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Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
<[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> Tell someone that cares.
Sorry, but the post was perfectly on topic.
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[]
> Tell someone that cares.
Sorry, but the post was perfectly on topic.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 2nd 2005, 7:11 am
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Pope John Paul *THE GREAT* 1920-2005 Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
Rest in Peace!
jay
Sat Apr 02, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
<[email protected]>, quiqueg
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Needless to say, the impending passing of the Pontiff is going to cause a
> serious stir in the usual activities in Rome, so I think whoever is going
> to come to Rome should be prepared to that with some insight.
>
> Since the moment of the official announcement of the passing, the Vatican
> Flags fly at half mast, and, starting from the main bell of St. Peter, the
> "mortorio" is played, first in St. Peter, then in Rome, and then in all the
> catholic churches of the world.
>
> The passing of the Pope starts the so called "novendiali" (lat. novem dies
> = nine days) which are nine days of deep mourning and ceremonies held by
> the Cardinals, who are starting to come to Rome in these very moments,
> after the "Ordo exsequiarum Romani Pontificis".
>
> After the passing, the mortal remains are first exposed in the Apostolic
> Palace, on the right side of St. Peters until high noon of the next day for
> the most intimate collaborators of the Pope to pay the last visit, then it
> is moved for three days in the Sistine Chapel for the chiefs of State and
> Government, cardinals, the nobles of Rome, diplomats and ambassadors.
>
> At the beginning of the fourth day, the remains of the Pope are once again
> moved to the nave of St. Peters, in front of the Confession Altar for the
> whole Christianity to pay the last salute while the cathedral is filled in
> prayer. Swiss and Palace Guards surround the huge catafalque in guard of
> honour.
>
> Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are expected to be coming
> to Rome in those days.
>
> On the sixth day, the funeral rite is held, and the Pope is tumulated in
> the Grotte Vaticane, together with St. Peter and the other popes, unless a
> last will from the Pope says otherwise. It is possible (and rumoured) that
> John Paul II has expressed the will to be buried in his native Poland.
>
> From the seventh to the ninth day, masses continue to be held in St.
> Peters.
>
> All the churches in and around Rome are under the ministry of the hundred
> or so of cardinals who will come from all over the world, and likely will
> be celebrating rites with very increased frequency.
>
> From the fifteenth to the twentieth day after the passing of the Pope, the
> Conclave (the assembly of the Cardinals who will elect the new Pope) starts
> in the Sistine Chapel (which of course will be closed to the public).
> During the Conclave, the Cardinals are bound to the maximum secrecy, and
> (unless a special permit allows them to) cannot, at risk of
> incommunication, leave the premises of the Vatican City or communicate with
> the world by any means. The voting Cardinals are bound to vote "having
> before their eyes only the Glory of God and the good for the Church".
>
> The new Pontiff is elected by the majority of two third of the votes. One
> voting sessions is held usually every morning and one every evening.
>
> After seven voting sessions, if a new Pope has not been elected, the new
> constitution calls for a day of prayer and reflection, and then the
> assembly starts over. After every vote, the ballots are burned and - in the
> case the majority is not reached - the plume of black smoke (ballots and
> additives, traditionally fresh leaves) rising from the chimney gives the
> world the announcement that there is not a new Pope, yet.
>
> After a maximum of four rounds of seven votings, if the majority of two
> thirds of the Cardinals is not reached, a final vote with absolute majority
> (half the votes +1) is cast.
>
> When a new Pontiff is finally elected, ballots are burned and the plume of
> white smoke announces the election of the Pope.
>
> Historical records cite Conclaves prolonged for as long as three years, but
> after the reform promulgated by Pope John Paul II, such durations are no
> longer possible. Pope John Paul II was elected after three days of
> conclave, his predecessor after less than 24 hours.
>
> A reasonable estimate for the maximum duration possible is about ten days
> to two weeks, considering that after such a Pope, election his successor
> will not be an easy task.
>
> Bottom line: during the funeral rites and the subsequent Conclave, the
> traveller may well found him/herself in a quite different Rome the travel
> reports usually depict. The Sistine Chapel will be shut and all activities
> inside the Vatican will be probably deeply affected by such an important
> shift, such as those in Rome.
>
> Pilgrims are expected to come from all over the World to pay the last
> hommage to the Pontiff in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and
> an emergency plan is being deployed in these very hours to accommodate and
> assist them all.
>
> Nevertheless, it can and probably will be an unique experience for the
> occasional traveller in their lifetime, and sometimes a moving one even for
> the non catholic - non christian, as those occasions where history unfolds
> itself before one's very eyes often are.
>
> QQG
jay
Sat Apr 02, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
<[email protected]>, quiqueg
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Needless to say, the impending passing of the Pontiff is going to cause a
> serious stir in the usual activities in Rome, so I think whoever is going
> to come to Rome should be prepared to that with some insight.
>
> Since the moment of the official announcement of the passing, the Vatican
> Flags fly at half mast, and, starting from the main bell of St. Peter, the
> "mortorio" is played, first in St. Peter, then in Rome, and then in all the
> catholic churches of the world.
>
> The passing of the Pope starts the so called "novendiali" (lat. novem dies
> = nine days) which are nine days of deep mourning and ceremonies held by
> the Cardinals, who are starting to come to Rome in these very moments,
> after the "Ordo exsequiarum Romani Pontificis".
>
> After the passing, the mortal remains are first exposed in the Apostolic
> Palace, on the right side of St. Peters until high noon of the next day for
> the most intimate collaborators of the Pope to pay the last visit, then it
> is moved for three days in the Sistine Chapel for the chiefs of State and
> Government, cardinals, the nobles of Rome, diplomats and ambassadors.
>
> At the beginning of the fourth day, the remains of the Pope are once again
> moved to the nave of St. Peters, in front of the Confession Altar for the
> whole Christianity to pay the last salute while the cathedral is filled in
> prayer. Swiss and Palace Guards surround the huge catafalque in guard of
> honour.
>
> Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are expected to be coming
> to Rome in those days.
>
> On the sixth day, the funeral rite is held, and the Pope is tumulated in
> the Grotte Vaticane, together with St. Peter and the other popes, unless a
> last will from the Pope says otherwise. It is possible (and rumoured) that
> John Paul II has expressed the will to be buried in his native Poland.
>
> From the seventh to the ninth day, masses continue to be held in St.
> Peters.
>
> All the churches in and around Rome are under the ministry of the hundred
> or so of cardinals who will come from all over the world, and likely will
> be celebrating rites with very increased frequency.
>
> From the fifteenth to the twentieth day after the passing of the Pope, the
> Conclave (the assembly of the Cardinals who will elect the new Pope) starts
> in the Sistine Chapel (which of course will be closed to the public).
> During the Conclave, the Cardinals are bound to the maximum secrecy, and
> (unless a special permit allows them to) cannot, at risk of
> incommunication, leave the premises of the Vatican City or communicate with
> the world by any means. The voting Cardinals are bound to vote "having
> before their eyes only the Glory of God and the good for the Church".
>
> The new Pontiff is elected by the majority of two third of the votes. One
> voting sessions is held usually every morning and one every evening.
>
> After seven voting sessions, if a new Pope has not been elected, the new
> constitution calls for a day of prayer and reflection, and then the
> assembly starts over. After every vote, the ballots are burned and - in the
> case the majority is not reached - the plume of black smoke (ballots and
> additives, traditionally fresh leaves) rising from the chimney gives the
> world the announcement that there is not a new Pope, yet.
>
> After a maximum of four rounds of seven votings, if the majority of two
> thirds of the Cardinals is not reached, a final vote with absolute majority
> (half the votes +1) is cast.
>
> When a new Pontiff is finally elected, ballots are burned and the plume of
> white smoke announces the election of the Pope.
>
> Historical records cite Conclaves prolonged for as long as three years, but
> after the reform promulgated by Pope John Paul II, such durations are no
> longer possible. Pope John Paul II was elected after three days of
> conclave, his predecessor after less than 24 hours.
>
> A reasonable estimate for the maximum duration possible is about ten days
> to two weeks, considering that after such a Pope, election his successor
> will not be an easy task.
>
> Bottom line: during the funeral rites and the subsequent Conclave, the
> traveller may well found him/herself in a quite different Rome the travel
> reports usually depict. The Sistine Chapel will be shut and all activities
> inside the Vatican will be probably deeply affected by such an important
> shift, such as those in Rome.
>
> Pilgrims are expected to come from all over the World to pay the last
> hommage to the Pontiff in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and
> an emergency plan is being deployed in these very hours to accommodate and
> assist them all.
>
> Nevertheless, it can and probably will be an unique experience for the
> occasional traveller in their lifetime, and sometimes a moving one even for
> the non catholic - non christian, as those occasions where history unfolds
> itself before one's very eyes often are.
>
> QQG
Apr 2nd 2005, 7:30 am
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Re: Pope John Paul *THE GREAT* 1920-2005 Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
Go Fig wrote:
> Rest in Peace!
> jay
> Sat Apr 02, 2005
> mailto:[email protected]
Strange payback though.
Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
And makes you suffer for months before hand.
> Rest in Peace!
> jay
> Sat Apr 02, 2005
> mailto:[email protected]
Strange payback though.
Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
And makes you suffer for months before hand.
Apr 2nd 2005, 8:35 am
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Re: Pope John Paul *THE GREAT* 1920-2005 Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
On 2 Apr 2005 12:30:20 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Go Fig wrote:
... > Rest in Peace!
... >
... > jay
... > Sat Apr 02, 2005
... > mailto:[email protected]
... >
...
... Strange payback though.
... Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
... And makes you suffer for months before hand.
He had Parkinson's for years, not months.
electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Go Fig wrote:
... > Rest in Peace!
... >
... > jay
... > Sat Apr 02, 2005
... > mailto:[email protected]
... >
...
... Strange payback though.
... Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
... And makes you suffer for months before hand.
He had Parkinson's for years, not months.
Apr 2nd 2005, 9:24 am
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Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
[email protected] wrote:
> quiqueg wrote:
>
>>Needless to say, the impending passing of the Pontiff is going to
>
> cause a
>
>>serious stir in the usual activities in Rome, so I think whoever is
>
> going
>
>>to come to Rome should be prepared to that with some insight.
>
> Tell someone that cares.
I would imagine anyone planning for a "normal" sightseeing
trip WOULD care, don't you? Not only will there be a heavy
influx of the "faithful" - especially clergy - from all over
the world, but I seriously doubt whether all the tourist
attractions will be operating full-schedule, even for those
who do not plan a visit to the Vatican as part of their
itinerary.
It may not be your personal religion - assuming you have one
- but the Roman Catholic church still has a large following
around the world and the Pope is not only a religious but a
political figure, so his death and the selection of his
successor constitutes a major historical event.
>
> quiqueg wrote:
>
>>Needless to say, the impending passing of the Pontiff is going to
>
> cause a
>
>>serious stir in the usual activities in Rome, so I think whoever is
>
> going
>
>>to come to Rome should be prepared to that with some insight.
>
> Tell someone that cares.
I would imagine anyone planning for a "normal" sightseeing
trip WOULD care, don't you? Not only will there be a heavy
influx of the "faithful" - especially clergy - from all over
the world, but I seriously doubt whether all the tourist
attractions will be operating full-schedule, even for those
who do not plan a visit to the Vatican as part of their
itinerary.
It may not be your personal religion - assuming you have one
- but the Roman Catholic church still has a large following
around the world and the Pope is not only a religious but a
political figure, so his death and the selection of his
successor constitutes a major historical event.
>
Apr 2nd 2005, 9:30 am
#8
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Re: Pope John Paul *THE GREAT* 1920-2005 Re: Notice for those who
[email protected] wrote:
> Go Fig wrote:
>
>>Rest in Peace!
>>jay
>>Sat Apr 02, 2005
>>mailto:[email protected]
>
>
> Strange payback though.
> Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
> And makes you suffer for months before hand.
So? That's different from the fate of any other mortal
being? (And for "true believers", death is the beginning of
eternal bliss, so counts as reward, not punishment.)
> Go Fig wrote:
>
>>Rest in Peace!
>>jay
>>Sat Apr 02, 2005
>>mailto:[email protected]
>
>
> Strange payback though.
> Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
> And makes you suffer for months before hand.
So? That's different from the fate of any other mortal
being? (And for "true believers", death is the beginning of
eternal bliss, so counts as reward, not punishment.)
Apr 2nd 2005, 11:47 am
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Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:24:41 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
|
|[email protected] wrote:
|
|> Tell someone that cares.
|
|I would imagine anyone planning for a "normal" sightseeing
|trip WOULD care, don't you? Not only will there be a heavy
|influx of the "faithful" - especially clergy - from all over
|the world, but I seriously doubt whether all the tourist
|attractions will be operating full-schedule, even for those
|who do not plan a visit to the Vatican as part of their
|itinerary.
|
I would also suspect that Roma Hotel prices are going to go through
the roof until the convocation is over. If they haven't already. "Off
Season" will be temporarily suspended.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
<[email protected]> wrote:
|
|[email protected] wrote:
|
|> Tell someone that cares.
|
|I would imagine anyone planning for a "normal" sightseeing
|trip WOULD care, don't you? Not only will there be a heavy
|influx of the "faithful" - especially clergy - from all over
|the world, but I seriously doubt whether all the tourist
|attractions will be operating full-schedule, even for those
|who do not plan a visit to the Vatican as part of their
|itinerary.
|
I would also suspect that Roma Hotel prices are going to go through
the roof until the convocation is over. If they haven't already. "Off
Season" will be temporarily suspended.
Cheers, Alan, Australia
Apr 2nd 2005, 12:38 pm
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> Tell someone that cares.
That is one of the most uncalled for remarks I've read on this group, and
there have been many. The post was perfectly on topic and quite timely.
There are many people on this group who care about the subject and some who
may not really care but already may have plans to visit Rome in the next few
weeks. Letting them know what will be happening is a valuable service. The
OP was addressing them, not you. So he was telling "someone that cares."
--
Donald Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> Tell someone that cares.
That is one of the most uncalled for remarks I've read on this group, and
there have been many. The post was perfectly on topic and quite timely.
There are many people on this group who care about the subject and some who
may not really care but already may have plans to visit Rome in the next few
weeks. Letting them know what will be happening is a valuable service. The
OP was addressing them, not you. So he was telling "someone that cares."
--
Donald Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net
Apr 2nd 2005, 1:01 pm
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Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
In article <[email protected]>, Alan S
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:24:41 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> |
> |[email protected] wrote:
> |
> |> Tell someone that cares.
> |
> |I would imagine anyone planning for a "normal" sightseeing
> |trip WOULD care, don't you? Not only will there be a heavy
> |influx of the "faithful" - especially clergy - from all over
> |the world, but I seriously doubt whether all the tourist
> |attractions will be operating full-schedule, even for those
> |who do not plan a visit to the Vatican as part of their
> |itinerary.
> |
> I would also suspect that Roma Hotel prices are going to go through
> the roof until the convocation is over. If they haven't already. "Off
> Season" will be temporarily suspended.
Given the amount of world leaders that will be there for the funeral on
Wed or Thur it will be chaos.
jay
Sat Apr 02, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:24:41 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> |
> |[email protected] wrote:
> |
> |> Tell someone that cares.
> |
> |I would imagine anyone planning for a "normal" sightseeing
> |trip WOULD care, don't you? Not only will there be a heavy
> |influx of the "faithful" - especially clergy - from all over
> |the world, but I seriously doubt whether all the tourist
> |attractions will be operating full-schedule, even for those
> |who do not plan a visit to the Vatican as part of their
> |itinerary.
> |
> I would also suspect that Roma Hotel prices are going to go through
> the roof until the convocation is over. If they haven't already. "Off
> Season" will be temporarily suspended.
Given the amount of world leaders that will be there for the funeral on
Wed or Thur it will be chaos.
jay
Sat Apr 02, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
Apr 2nd 2005, 6:28 pm
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Re: Pope John Paul *THE GREAT* 1920-2005 Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
[email protected] wrote:
> Strange payback though.
> Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
This could be rephrased as:
Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it takes you from this
world of sin and suffering and gives you eternal life.
Just depends on your point of view.
> Strange payback though.
> Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
This could be rephrased as:
Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it takes you from this
world of sin and suffering and gives you eternal life.
Just depends on your point of view.
Apr 4th 2005, 6:38 am
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Re: Pope John Paul *THE GREAT* 1920-2005 Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
Bart wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > Strange payback though.
> > Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
> This could be rephrased as:
> Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it takes you from this
> world of sin and suffering and gives you eternal life.
> Just depends on your point of view.
so because he was so devoted he got to suffer more,
and we got to suffer the news bulletins.
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > Strange payback though.
> > Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
> This could be rephrased as:
> Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it takes you from this
> world of sin and suffering and gives you eternal life.
> Just depends on your point of view.
so because he was so devoted he got to suffer more,
and we got to suffer the news bulletins.
Apr 4th 2005, 6:39 am
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Re: Pope John Paul *THE GREAT* 1920-2005 Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Go Fig wrote:
> >
> >>Rest in Peace!
> >>
> >>jay
> >>Sat Apr 02, 2005
> >>mailto:[email protected]
> >>
> >
> >
> > Strange payback though.
> > Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
> > And makes you suffer for months before hand.
> So? That's different from the fate of any other mortal
> being? (And for "true believers", death is the beginning of
> eternal bliss, so counts as reward, not punishment.)
the punishment was putting this shit on my TV screen.
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Go Fig wrote:
> >
> >>Rest in Peace!
> >>
> >>jay
> >>Sat Apr 02, 2005
> >>mailto:[email protected]
> >>
> >
> >
> > Strange payback though.
> > Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
> > And makes you suffer for months before hand.
> So? That's different from the fate of any other mortal
> being? (And for "true believers", death is the beginning of
> eternal bliss, so counts as reward, not punishment.)
the punishment was putting this shit on my TV screen.
Apr 4th 2005, 9:11 am
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Re: Pope John Paul *THE GREAT* 1920-2005 Re: Notice for those who are coming to Rome or are willing to.
[email protected] wrote:
> Bart wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > Strange payback though.
> > > Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
> >
> > This could be rephrased as:
> >
> > Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it takes you from this
> > world of sin and suffering and gives you eternal life.
> >
> > Just depends on your point of view.
> so because he was so devoted he got to suffer more,
> and we got to suffer the news bulletins.
If you really want to understand, go read up on Christianity.
> Bart wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > Strange payback though.
> > > Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it kills you.
> >
> > This could be rephrased as:
> >
> > Devote your life to your God and then he/she/it takes you from this
> > world of sin and suffering and gives you eternal life.
> >
> > Just depends on your point of view.
> so because he was so devoted he got to suffer more,
> and we got to suffer the news bulletins.
If you really want to understand, go read up on Christianity.
