Hatunen

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:09:55 +0100, Earl Evleth
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >My brothers are dead now, but one lived in Sun City West northwest of
    >Phoenix and other in Tucson. In between the two cities is Florence,
    >where also visited a man (still) on death row and so we got to all three
    >now and then. Around Phoenix is upscale, like Scarsdale but much of that
    >area struck me as "phoney", urban sprawl, etc. It reminds me of some
    >parts of California.
    >Tucson I found down scale and more human. We especially like the Sonora
    >dessert areas nearby but and some of the funky little towns away from it
    >all.
    >Whatever, one could detect a difference in the places just visiting for
    >a little while a couple of times.

Yep, yep, yep...

You got it.

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James Silverton

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On 13/02/04 18:18, in article
[email protected],
    > "Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:01:51 +0100, Earl Evleth
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >> I wonder if Miles, who lives in the Phoenix area will respond to
    > >> your regional racism. :-)
    > >
    > > Come, com. It's not racism. It's regionalism.
    > In many nations the southerner are lazy and good for nothing.
    > That is the opinion of Parisians toward those from Marseilles!
I have French friends in Marseilles who consider Parisians the rudest
people on earth! Does that stoke the fire a little (g)!


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Potomac, Maryland, USA

Magda

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:28:29 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "James Silverton"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... >
... I have French friends in Marseilles who consider Parisians the rudest
... people on earth! Does that stoke the fire a little (g)!

The Marseillais are always exaggerating. When they go fishing a 5 cm long fish becomes a 2
metre one.

Mxsmanic

Earl Evleth writes:

    > >> Even when they film it it does little good. Remember the
    > >> Simi Valley trial of the cops who beat up Rodney King?
    >
    > It makes no difference, one behaves appropriately with people
    > at the time. The criteria is "reasonable use of force".

You appear to be arguing with yourself.

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Tim Kroesen

You don't know what you're taking about. The point that all words and
gestures are protected by rights to free speech is *not* true; only you
continue to argue the point...

Does that first statement mean you're now expressing yet more racism
BTW?

Tim K

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Tim Kroesen writes:
    > > Start yelling N****R at the MLK Parade and we'll see how far that
    > > argument will get you ...

    > It's not an argument; it's a fact.

Randee

Well, Phoenix has the better sausage shops; or should I say, at least
they have sausage shops..........
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wf.

Earl Evleth wrote:
    >
    > On 13/02/04 17:23, in article [email protected],
    > "Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Well, sure. They're Phoenicians, and us Tucsonans have come to
    > > expect that sort of thing from the people in Maricopa County.
    > >
    > > "Arpaio", by the way.
    >
    > I am always misspelling, I should have checked it. My brother,
    > who lived in Tucson, and was very conservative still referred to
    > Joe Arpaio as "Joke" Arpaio. I assume that was a general
    > Tucsonan attitude.
    >
    > He made it on French TV, one French team made it to his prison
    > camp and filmed an interview with him.
    >
    > We also subscribe to "Prison Newsletter" and Joe's cases periodically
    > show up there. The last one will cost him personally money since the
    > court exceptionally held personally responsible in a civil suit.
    > So he can't say "go to the tax payers and collect".
    >
    > I wonder if Miles, who lives in the Phoenix area will respond to
    > your regional racism. :-)
    >
    > I suppose that those in the Phoenix are think of you Tucsonans
    > as hicks?
    >
    > Maybe I can get a food fight going.
    >
    > Earl

Tam

On 12/2/04 21:23, in article
[email protected] t, "Tim Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Get the point yet Mixy; about where your rights stop in common law;

France does not have the common law. It has the Civil Code. But you knew
that already. ("Droit commun" does not mean "common law"; it means (more or
less) Roman law.)

As for the subject at hand; if I were cursing out one of Paris's Finest I
would say: "va te faire voir". That leaves off the expected ending "par les
Grècques" which implies getting buggered but, of course, literally says
nothing untoward.

In Africa people use the familiar {"tu") as a mater of course; that has had
a certain impact on French slang, as had the 60s movement and everything
that's gone on since.

But what do I know; I went to university in Belgium. And, hey, this is the
European Union.

Earl Evleth

On 13/02/04 22:00, in article [email protected],
"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:28:29 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "James Silverton"
    > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
    > this :
    >
    > ... >
    > ... I have French friends in Marseilles who consider Parisians the rudest
    > ... people on earth! Does that stoke the fire a little (g)!
    >
    > The Marseillais are always exaggerating. When they go fishing a 5 cm long fish
    > becomes a 2
    > metre one.
    >


We have one man in our Parisian apartment building who is from Marseilles.
He has been in the north so long that his southern accent has mostly gone.
He is bit mouthy and verbally aggressive and it took use years to get use
to him, but our relationship is a good one now. He has long since
been demoted as one of the main "emmerdeurs" in our building.

What is true is that "they" do have what is considered an attitude problem
by northerners. Parisians are largely from the provinces, except for the
young but do have a superiority complex attitude problem. The city is, after
all, the authentic power and intellectual center of France. In the US
Washington DC and NY complete for that and other cities run not that far
behind, like Chicago and LA. California has itself been cited individually
as one of the most powerful economic entities in the world and could
possibly function as an separate country provided that water supplies from
the Colorado were maintained. Certainly, regionally, west of the rockies
is another full entity in the US.

In this sense, France represents, because of its size, more of a single
logical national unity. Physically, it tends to become more interesting
towards the south and along the Atlantic coast, France north of Paris tends
to be not attractive for visitors.

The recent completion of the TGV from Paris to Marseilles makes getting
there fast, weekend trips are possible, leaving Friday evening and staying
in "your house" in Marseilles. So real estate shot up there after this
occurred. It is grueling car ride going there, but a relaxing train trip.

Earl

Mxsmanic

Tim Kroesen writes:

    > You don't know what you're taking about.

You can't debate effectively with me using only ad hominem.

    > The point that all words and gestures are protected by
    > rights to free speech is *not* true; only you
    > continue to argue the point...

I argue the general case; you attempt to invalidate it by citing the
specific exception. When this does not work, you resort to ad hominem.
But see above.

    > Does that first statement mean you're now expressing
    > yet more racism BTW?

I don't understand your reference to racism, although I presume it's
your third attempt at personal attack in just two paragraphs. As I've
pointed out, that won't work.

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Olivers

Earl Evleth muttered....

    >
    >
    > Whatever, one could detect a difference in the places just visiting for
    > a little while a couple of times.
    >

.....'Bout 10 minutes is all it takes.

Phoenix (and sadly, but in slightly different fashion Santa Fe) are but
outposts of all of California's worst excesses dropped like large soft
loads of cow-flop upon the local environments.

Tucson remains (although the crap's building up on the edges) a reasonable
facsimile of a laid back Southwestern city not yet drowning in the effluent
of its self attempted pretentiousness.

....But then there's New York, for all its claims to be both commercial and
cultural capital. Few cities have populations so quick to display the
evidence of their provincialism (even if its 40 different provinces). often
flaringly out of touch with a world which exists within 50 miles of the
City.

TMO

Capitalist Pig

You're a real moron, Earl why post such idiocy?

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Another lesson in not cussing out the French police.
    > A young man in Strasbourg got one month in prison for yelling
    > at our blessed Minister of the Interior
    > "Sarkozy, va niquer ta mere".
    > Which roughly means "go **** your mother", pardon my French.
    > He also used the familiar version of "you" which is itself
    > an insult in French. So this was a double insult. A rather common
    > one since one yells this are erring motorists who have done
    > some unspeakable thing like cutting you off in traffic.
    > This is pretty much OK with French drivers but not with French
    > cops.
    > It was a sufficiently strong insult that TV news did not report
    > what was said.
    > He was judged for "outrage à une personne depositaire de l'ordre publique"
    > Sarkozy (or his mother) did not make an official complaint but the police
    > authorities did.
    > The jailed young man (21) already have a heavy rap sheet in having
    > driving without a license.
    > Sarkozy has been the target of other insults, one homeless man yelled
    > at him
    > "Retourne en Chine, espèce de Hongrois"
    > Sarkozy`s parents were Hungarian, not Chinese. And there are not
    > many Hungarians in China, try Chicago.
    > Now one could combine the insult with----
    > "Retourne en Chine, espèce de Hongrois et va niquer ta mere".
    > Earl

Earl Evleth

On 13/02/04 23:37, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> It makes no difference, one behaves appropriately with people
    >> at the time. The criteria is "reasonable use of force".
    >
    > You appear to be arguing with yourself.


What I was driving at is that the police did not use reasonable force
in the case of King (or Diablo. Or in some other cases I have encountered
in France.

Earl

Mxsmanic

Capitalist Pig writes:

    > You're a real moron, Earl why post such idiocy?

In other words, you disagree?

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Earl Evleth

On 15/02/04 18:54, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Capitalist Pig writes:
    >
    >> You're a real moron, Earl why post such idiocy?
    >
    > In other words, you disagree?


Why communicate with a Capitalist Pig?

Earl

Capitalist Pig

Parceque nous cochons réglons tout le monde

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On 15/02/04 18:54, in article [email protected],
    > "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Capitalist Pig writes:
    > >
    > >> You're a real moron, Earl why post such idiocy?
    > >
    > > In other words, you disagree?
    > Why communicate with a Capitalist Pig?
    > Earl