No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
Mar 27th 2007, 12:40 am
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No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flandersnews.be/News/070327_%2Bno%2Broad%2Btax%2Bsticker%2Bafter%2Ball
No road tax sticker after all
Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
(Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
Peter Balkenende.
Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the newly
elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine, the
railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders that
passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the deepening of
the Western arm of the river Schelde which is essential for the
expansion of the Antwerp port.
In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues about
the impending Belgian road tax.
Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
now considering other means of financing the road network.
The shortlived-idea of a road tax
The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch who
claimed they were discriminated against.
The concept was clear and simple.
Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have to
buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make use of
the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get the
money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by the
huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our country on
their way to their final destination.
The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
until 2009.
Pay-as-you-drive
In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
has been put aside entirely.
The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
"pay-as-you-drive system".
That system is currently being used in Germany and will be introduced
in the Netherlands as from 2011.
It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
announcement.
Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the Flemish
Christian democrats.
Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would just
be a new tax.
Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not wish
to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
No road tax sticker after all
Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
(Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
Peter Balkenende.
Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the newly
elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine, the
railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders that
passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the deepening of
the Western arm of the river Schelde which is essential for the
expansion of the Antwerp port.
In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues about
the impending Belgian road tax.
Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
now considering other means of financing the road network.
The shortlived-idea of a road tax
The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch who
claimed they were discriminated against.
The concept was clear and simple.
Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have to
buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make use of
the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get the
money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by the
huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our country on
their way to their final destination.
The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
until 2009.
Pay-as-you-drive
In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
has been put aside entirely.
The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
"pay-as-you-drive system".
That system is currently being used in Germany and will be introduced
in the Netherlands as from 2011.
It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
announcement.
Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the Flemish
Christian democrats.
Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would just
be a new tax.
Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not wish
to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
Mar 27th 2007, 5:05 am
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Re: No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
On 27 Mar 2007 05:40:33 -0700, "Rubba Luva" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
>and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
>that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
>systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
>number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
>find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
Eh? This system is in use in Germany? How often is one billed???
wrote:
>It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
>and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
>that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
>systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
>number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
>find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
Eh? This system is in use in Germany? How often is one billed???
Mar 27th 2007, 6:35 am
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Re: No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
Viking schrieb:
> On 27 Mar 2007 05:40:33 -0700, "Rubba Luva" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
>> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
>> that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
>> systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
>> number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
>> find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>
> Eh? This system is in use in Germany? How often is one billed???
I assume the article is referring to the toll system which is used for
charging commercial vehicles for use of the autobahn network.
The system uses onboard computers, GPS and tracking stations on pylons
over the highway. The cameras are only used to photograph rogue vehicles
that do not have the system operational.
The system only applies to commercial vehicles- at the moment. There
is speculation that it might be extended to private vehicles as well.
T.
> On 27 Mar 2007 05:40:33 -0700, "Rubba Luva" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
>> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
>> that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
>> systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
>> number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
>> find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>
> Eh? This system is in use in Germany? How often is one billed???
I assume the article is referring to the toll system which is used for
charging commercial vehicles for use of the autobahn network.
The system uses onboard computers, GPS and tracking stations on pylons
over the highway. The cameras are only used to photograph rogue vehicles
that do not have the system operational.
The system only applies to commercial vehicles- at the moment. There
is speculation that it might be extended to private vehicles as well.
T.
Mar 28th 2007, 4:51 am
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Re: No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
Rubba Luva wrote:
> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...%2Bafter%2Ball
>
> No road tax sticker after all
>
> Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
> sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
> (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
> Peter Balkenende.
> Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
> Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
> Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>
> Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the newly
> elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine, the
> railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders that
> passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the deepening of
> the Western arm of the river Schelde which is essential for the
> expansion of the Antwerp port.
>
> In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues about
> the impending Belgian road tax.
>
> Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
> now considering other means of financing the road network.
> The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>
> The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
> caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch who
> claimed they were discriminated against.
>
> The concept was clear and simple.
>
> Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have to
> buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make use of
> the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>
> Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get the
> money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>
> The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by the
> huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our country on
> their way to their final destination.
>
> The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
> the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
> time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
> until 2009.
> Pay-as-you-drive
> In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
> information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
> has been put aside entirely.
>
> The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
> "pay-as-you-drive system".
>
> That system is currently being used in Germany and will be introduced
> in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>
> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
> that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
> systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
> number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
> find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>
> The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
> announcement.
>
> Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
> completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the Flemish
> Christian democrats.
>
> Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
> on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
> one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would just
> be a new tax.
>
> Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
> part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not wish
> to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...%2Bafter%2Ball
>
> No road tax sticker after all
>
> Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
> sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
> (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
> Peter Balkenende.
> Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
> Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
> Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>
> Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the newly
> elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine, the
> railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders that
> passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the deepening of
> the Western arm of the river Schelde which is essential for the
> expansion of the Antwerp port.
>
> In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues about
> the impending Belgian road tax.
>
> Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
> now considering other means of financing the road network.
> The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>
> The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
> caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch who
> claimed they were discriminated against.
>
> The concept was clear and simple.
>
> Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have to
> buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make use of
> the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>
> Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get the
> money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>
> The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by the
> huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our country on
> their way to their final destination.
>
> The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
> the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
> time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
> until 2009.
> Pay-as-you-drive
> In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
> information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
> has been put aside entirely.
>
> The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
> "pay-as-you-drive system".
>
> That system is currently being used in Germany and will be introduced
> in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>
> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
> that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
> systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
> number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
> find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>
> The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
> announcement.
>
> Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
> completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the Flemish
> Christian democrats.
>
> Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
> on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
> one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would just
> be a new tax.
>
> Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
> part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not wish
> to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
Mar 28th 2007, 8:21 am
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Re: No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
On Mar 28, 6:51 pm, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rubba Luva wrote:
> >http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...27_%2Bno%2Broa...
>
> > No road tax sticker after all
>
> > Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
> > sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
> > (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
> > Peter Balkenende.
> > Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
> > Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
> > Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>
> > Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the newly
> > elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine, the
> > railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders that
> > passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the deepening of
> > the Western arm of the river Schelde which is essential for the
> > expansion of the Antwerp port.
>
> > In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues about
> > the impending Belgian road tax.
>
> > Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
> > now considering other means of financing the road network.
> > The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>
> > The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
> > caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch who
> > claimed they were discriminated against.
>
> > The concept was clear and simple.
>
> > Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have to
> > buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make use of
> > the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>
> > Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get the
> > money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>
> > The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by the
> > huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our country on
> > their way to their final destination.
>
> > The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
> > the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
> > time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
> > until 2009.
> > Pay-as-you-drive
> > In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
> > information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
> > has been put aside entirely.
>
> > The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
> > "pay-as-you-drive system".
>
> > That system is currently being used in Germany and will be introduced
> > in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>
> > It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
> > and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
> > that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
> > systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
> > number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
> > find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>
> > The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
> > announcement.
>
> > Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
> > completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the Flemish
> > Christian democrats.
>
> > Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
> > on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
> > one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would just
> > be a new tax.
>
> > Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
> > part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not wish
> > to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
>
> Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
do you mean the 'Vignette' ?
> Rubba Luva wrote:
> >http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...27_%2Bno%2Broa...
>
> > No road tax sticker after all
>
> > Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
> > sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
> > (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
> > Peter Balkenende.
> > Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
> > Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
> > Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>
> > Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the newly
> > elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine, the
> > railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders that
> > passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the deepening of
> > the Western arm of the river Schelde which is essential for the
> > expansion of the Antwerp port.
>
> > In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues about
> > the impending Belgian road tax.
>
> > Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
> > now considering other means of financing the road network.
> > The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>
> > The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
> > caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch who
> > claimed they were discriminated against.
>
> > The concept was clear and simple.
>
> > Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have to
> > buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make use of
> > the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>
> > Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get the
> > money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>
> > The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by the
> > huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our country on
> > their way to their final destination.
>
> > The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
> > the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
> > time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
> > until 2009.
> > Pay-as-you-drive
> > In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
> > information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
> > has been put aside entirely.
>
> > The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
> > "pay-as-you-drive system".
>
> > That system is currently being used in Germany and will be introduced
> > in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>
> > It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
> > and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and Spain
> > that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more recent
> > systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the car's
> > number plate along different parts of the route. This way, motorists
> > find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>
> > The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
> > announcement.
>
> > Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
> > completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the Flemish
> > Christian democrats.
>
> > Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
> > on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
> > one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would just
> > be a new tax.
>
> > Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
> > part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not wish
> > to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
>
> Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
do you mean the 'Vignette' ?
Mar 28th 2007, 7:26 pm
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Re: No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
Rubba Luva wrote:
> On Mar 28, 6:51 pm, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rubba Luva wrote:
>>> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...27_%2Bno%2Broa...
>>
>>> No road tax sticker after all
>>
>>> Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
>>> sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
>>> (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
>>> Peter Balkenende.
>>> Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
>>> Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
>>> Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>>
>>> Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the
>>> newly elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine,
>>> the railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders
>>> that passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the
>>> deepening of the Western arm of the river Schelde which is
>>> essential for the expansion of the Antwerp port.
>>
>>> In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues
>>> about the impending Belgian road tax.
>>
>>> Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
>>> now considering other means of financing the road network.
>>> The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>>
>>> The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
>>> caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch
>>> who claimed they were discriminated against.
>>
>>> The concept was clear and simple.
>>
>>> Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have
>>> to buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make
>>> use of the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>>
>>> Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get
>>> the money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>>
>>> The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by
>>> the huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our
>>> country on their way to their final destination.
>>
>>> The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
>>> the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
>>> time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
>>> until 2009.
>>> Pay-as-you-drive
>>> In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
>>> information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
>>> has been put aside entirely.
>>
>>> The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
>>> "pay-as-you-drive system".
>>
>>> That system is currently being used in Germany and will be
>>> introduced in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>>
>>> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
>>> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and
>>> Spain that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more
>>> recent systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the
>>> car's number plate along different parts of the route. This way,
>>> motorists find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>>
>>> The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
>>> announcement.
>>
>>> Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
>>> completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the
>>> Flemish Christian democrats.
>>
>>> Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
>>> on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
>>> one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would
>>> just be a new tax.
>>
>>> Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
>>> part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not
>>> wish to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
>>
>> Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
>
> do you mean the 'Vignette' ?
Yes, you buy a sticker with 14 days validity and you glue it on the front
screen.
Michel
> On Mar 28, 6:51 pm, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rubba Luva wrote:
>>> http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...27_%2Bno%2Broa...
>>
>>> No road tax sticker after all
>>
>>> Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
>>> sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
>>> (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
>>> Peter Balkenende.
>>> Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
>>> Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
>>> Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>>
>>> Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the
>>> newly elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine,
>>> the railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders
>>> that passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the
>>> deepening of the Western arm of the river Schelde which is
>>> essential for the expansion of the Antwerp port.
>>
>>> In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues
>>> about the impending Belgian road tax.
>>
>>> Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
>>> now considering other means of financing the road network.
>>> The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>>
>>> The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
>>> caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch
>>> who claimed they were discriminated against.
>>
>>> The concept was clear and simple.
>>
>>> Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have
>>> to buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make
>>> use of the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>>
>>> Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get
>>> the money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>>
>>> The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by
>>> the huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our
>>> country on their way to their final destination.
>>
>>> The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
>>> the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
>>> time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
>>> until 2009.
>>> Pay-as-you-drive
>>> In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
>>> information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
>>> has been put aside entirely.
>>
>>> The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
>>> "pay-as-you-drive system".
>>
>>> That system is currently being used in Germany and will be
>>> introduced in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>>
>>> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
>>> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and
>>> Spain that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more
>>> recent systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the
>>> car's number plate along different parts of the route. This way,
>>> motorists find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>>
>>> The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
>>> announcement.
>>
>>> Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
>>> completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the
>>> Flemish Christian democrats.
>>
>>> Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
>>> on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
>>> one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would
>>> just be a new tax.
>>
>>> Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
>>> part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not
>>> wish to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
>>
>> Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
>
> do you mean the 'Vignette' ?
Yes, you buy a sticker with 14 days validity and you glue it on the front
screen.
Michel
Mar 28th 2007, 8:14 pm
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
On Mar 29, 9:26 am, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rubba Luva wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 6:51 pm, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Rubba Luva wrote:
> >>>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...27_%2Bno%2Broa...
>
> >>> No road tax sticker after all
>
> >>> Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
> >>> sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
> >>> (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
> >>> Peter Balkenende.
> >>> Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
> >>> Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
> >>> Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>
> >>> Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the
> >>> newly elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine,
> >>> the railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders
> >>> that passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the
> >>> deepening of the Western arm of the river Schelde which is
> >>> essential for the expansion of the Antwerp port.
>
> >>> In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues
> >>> about the impending Belgian road tax.
>
> >>> Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
> >>> now considering other means of financing the road network.
> >>> The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>
> >>> The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
> >>> caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch
> >>> who claimed they were discriminated against.
>
> >>> The concept was clear and simple.
>
> >>> Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have
> >>> to buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make
> >>> use of the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>
> >>> Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get
> >>> the money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>
> >>> The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by
> >>> the huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our
> >>> country on their way to their final destination.
>
> >>> The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
> >>> the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
> >>> time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
> >>> until 2009.
> >>> Pay-as-you-drive
> >>> In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
> >>> information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
> >>> has been put aside entirely.
>
> >>> The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
> >>> "pay-as-you-drive system".
>
> >>> That system is currently being used in Germany and will be
> >>> introduced in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>
> >>> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
> >>> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and
> >>> Spain that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more
> >>> recent systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the
> >>> car's number plate along different parts of the route. This way,
> >>> motorists find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>
> >>> The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
> >>> announcement.
>
> >>> Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
> >>> completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the
> >>> Flemish Christian democrats.
>
> >>> Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
> >>> on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
> >>> one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would
> >>> just be a new tax.
>
> >>> Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
> >>> part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not
> >>> wish to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
>
> >> Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
>
> > do you mean the 'Vignette' ?
>
> Yes, you buy a sticker with 14 days validity and you glue it on the front
> screen.
>
> Michel
I imagine they have been doing this for a long time like Switzerland
and like French motorway tolls.
> Rubba Luva wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 6:51 pm, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Rubba Luva wrote:
> >>>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...27_%2Bno%2Broa...
>
> >>> No road tax sticker after all
>
> >>> Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
> >>> sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
> >>> (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
> >>> Peter Balkenende.
> >>> Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
> >>> Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
> >>> Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>
> >>> Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the
> >>> newly elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine,
> >>> the railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders
> >>> that passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the
> >>> deepening of the Western arm of the river Schelde which is
> >>> essential for the expansion of the Antwerp port.
>
> >>> In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues
> >>> about the impending Belgian road tax.
>
> >>> Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
> >>> now considering other means of financing the road network.
> >>> The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>
> >>> The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
> >>> caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch
> >>> who claimed they were discriminated against.
>
> >>> The concept was clear and simple.
>
> >>> Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have
> >>> to buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make
> >>> use of the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>
> >>> Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get
> >>> the money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>
> >>> The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by
> >>> the huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our
> >>> country on their way to their final destination.
>
> >>> The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
> >>> the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
> >>> time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
> >>> until 2009.
> >>> Pay-as-you-drive
> >>> In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
> >>> information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
> >>> has been put aside entirely.
>
> >>> The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
> >>> "pay-as-you-drive system".
>
> >>> That system is currently being used in Germany and will be
> >>> introduced in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>
> >>> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
> >>> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and
> >>> Spain that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more
> >>> recent systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the
> >>> car's number plate along different parts of the route. This way,
> >>> motorists find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>
> >>> The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
> >>> announcement.
>
> >>> Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
> >>> completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the
> >>> Flemish Christian democrats.
>
> >>> Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
> >>> on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
> >>> one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would
> >>> just be a new tax.
>
> >>> Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
> >>> part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not
> >>> wish to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
>
> >> Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
>
> > do you mean the 'Vignette' ?
>
> Yes, you buy a sticker with 14 days validity and you glue it on the front
> screen.
>
> Michel
I imagine they have been doing this for a long time like Switzerland
and like French motorway tolls.
Apr 2nd 2007, 8:47 am
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: No Belgian road tax sticker after all..................its Pay-as-you-drive
"ocelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On Mar 29, 9:26 am, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rubba Luva wrote:
>> > On Mar 28, 6:51 pm, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Rubba Luva wrote:
>> >>>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...27_%2Bno%2Broa...
>>
>> >>> No road tax sticker after all
>>
>> >>> Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
>> >>> sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
>> >>> (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
>> >>> Peter Balkenende.
>> >>> Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
>> >>> Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
>> >>> Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>>
>> >>> Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the
>> >>> newly elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine,
>> >>> the railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders
>> >>> that passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the
>> >>> deepening of the Western arm of the river Schelde which is
>> >>> essential for the expansion of the Antwerp port.
>>
>> >>> In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues
>> >>> about the impending Belgian road tax.
>>
>> >>> Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
>> >>> now considering other means of financing the road network.
>> >>> The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>>
>> >>> The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
>> >>> caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch
>> >>> who claimed they were discriminated against.
>>
>> >>> The concept was clear and simple.
>>
>> >>> Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have
>> >>> to buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make
>> >>> use of the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>>
>> >>> Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get
>> >>> the money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>>
>> >>> The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by
>> >>> the huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our
>> >>> country on their way to their final destination.
>>
>> >>> The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
>> >>> the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
>> >>> time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
>> >>> until 2009.
>> >>> Pay-as-you-drive
>> >>> In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
>> >>> information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
>> >>> has been put aside entirely.
>>
>> >>> The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
>> >>> "pay-as-you-drive system".
>>
>> >>> That system is currently being used in Germany and will be
>> >>> introduced in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>>
>> >>> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
>> >>> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and
>> >>> Spain that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more
>> >>> recent systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the
>> >>> car's number plate along different parts of the route. This way,
>> >>> motorists find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>>
>> >>> The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
>> >>> announcement.
>>
>> >>> Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
>> >>> completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the
>> >>> Flemish Christian democrats.
>>
>> >>> Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
>> >>> on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
>> >>> one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would
>> >>> just be a new tax.
>>
>> >>> Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
>> >>> part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not
>> >>> wish to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
>>
>> >> Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
>>
>> > do you mean the 'Vignette' ?
>>
>> Yes, you buy a sticker with 14 days validity and you glue it on the front
>> screen.
>>
>> Michel
>
> I imagine they have been doing this for a long time like Switzerland
> and like French motorway tolls.
The Austrian Vignette has certainly been introduced since they
joined the EU.
If it is illegal in Belgium it will be illegal in Austria (and Czech
and Slovakia)
tim
news:[email protected] oups.com...
> On Mar 29, 9:26 am, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rubba Luva wrote:
>> > On Mar 28, 6:51 pm, "Hemingway" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Rubba Luva wrote:
>> >>>http://www.flandersnews.be/cm/flande...27_%2Bno%2Broa...
>>
>> >>> No road tax sticker after all
>>
>> >>> Tue 27/03/07 - Flanders is to put aside the idea of the road tax
>> >>> sticker. This was announced by Flemish Prime Minister Yves Leterme
>> >>> (Christian democrat) during his visit to his Dutch counterpart Jan
>> >>> Peter Balkenende.
>> >>> Yesterday, Mr Leterme and the Flemish Minister for International
>> >>> Policy Geert Bourgeois (Flemish nationalist) visited the Catshuis,
>> >>> Prime Minister Balkenende's official residence in The Hague.
>>
>> >>> Both Flemish excellencies wanted to talk about the plans of the
>> >>> newly elected Dutch government in connection with the Iron Rhine,
>> >>> the railway connection between the German Ruhr region and Flanders
>> >>> that passes through Antwerp as well as the agreement on the
>> >>> deepening of the Western arm of the river Schelde which is
>> >>> essential for the expansion of the Antwerp port.
>>
>> >>> In turn, Mr Balkenende wanted to talk to his Flemish colleagues
>> >>> about the impending Belgian road tax.
>>
>> >>> Mr Leterme, however, told the Dutch Prime Minister that Flanders was
>> >>> now considering other means of financing the road network.
>> >>> The shortlived-idea of a road tax
>>
>> >>> The idea of the road tax sticker was introduced a few months ago. It
>> >>> caused a lot of protest at the time, not in the least by the Dutch
>> >>> who claimed they were discriminated against.
>>
>> >>> The concept was clear and simple.
>>
>> >>> Every motorist that made use of the Belgian road network would have
>> >>> to buy a 60-euro road sticker which would then allow him to make
>> >>> use of the Belgian road network for the duration of one year.
>>
>> >>> Belgians would have to pay for the sticker too but they would get
>> >>> the money back by means of a reduction in their car tax.
>>
>> >>> The sticker was meant to pay for road repair works necessitated by
>> >>> the huge amount of car and cargo traffic that drive through our
>> >>> country on their way to their final destination.
>>
>> >>> The Dutch could not live with the idea and brought the matter before
>> >>> the European Commission. As a result, Belgium decided to take more
>> >>> time to prepare the issue and postponed the introduction of the tax
>> >>> until 2009.
>> >>> Pay-as-you-drive
>> >>> In The Hague, the Flemish Prime Minister did not give any further
>> >>> information but it does seem that the notion of the road tax sticker
>> >>> has been put aside entirely.
>>
>> >>> The road tax sticker will in all probability be replaced by a clever
>> >>> "pay-as-you-drive system".
>>
>> >>> That system is currently being used in Germany and will be
>> >>> introduced in the Netherlands as from 2011.
>>
>> >>> It entails that motorists themselves pay for the pollution and wear
>> >>> and tear they cause. In contrary to countries such as France and
>> >>> Spain that still use toll houses along the motorways, the more
>> >>> recent systems make use of satellite-driven cameras that record the
>> >>> car's number plate along different parts of the route. This way,
>> >>> motorists find the bill on the doormat upon their return.
>>
>> >>> The other Flemish parties are surprised by Prime Minister Leterme's
>> >>> announcement.
>>
>> >>> Brussels Finance Minister Guy Vanhengel (liberal) says he is
>> >>> completely taken aback by this sudden unilateral U-turn of the
>> >>> Flemish Christian democrats.
>>
>> >>> Mr Vanhengel points out the 3 Belgian regions had unanimously agreed
>> >>> on the introduction of the road tax. He says the Brussels region for
>> >>> one is not in favour of the pay-as-you-drive tax because it would
>> >>> just be a new tax.
>>
>> >>> Flemish Mobility Minister Kathleen Van Brempt (socialist) who took
>> >>> part in the negotiations on the road tax sticker said she did not
>> >>> wish to comment on Mr Leterme's words.
>>
>> >> Why does Austria applies this tax legally in Europe?
>>
>> > do you mean the 'Vignette' ?
>>
>> Yes, you buy a sticker with 14 days validity and you glue it on the front
>> screen.
>>
>> Michel
>
> I imagine they have been doing this for a long time like Switzerland
> and like French motorway tolls.
The Austrian Vignette has certainly been introduced since they
joined the EU.
If it is illegal in Belgium it will be illegal in Austria (and Czech
and Slovakia)
tim
