Irwell

We have just received our new US passport,
like the new $20 bill it looks almost home made.
Just wondering whether to carry our old pasports
as well?

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"irwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > We have just received our new US passport,
    > like the new $20 bill it looks almost home made.
    > Just wondering whether to carry our old pasports
    > as well?

Yes, your expired passport should be used for all
immigration purposes when crossing any international
frontier. The new passport, handmade by state department
employees in their spare time, will not be accepted
by any country, not even US immigration.

Pete

    >> We have just received our new US passport, like the new $20
    >> bill it looks almost home made. Just wondering whether to carry
    >> our old pasports as well?
    > Yes, your expired passport should be used for all immigration
    > purposes when crossing any international frontier. The new
    > passport, handmade by state department employees in their
    > spare time, will not be accepted by any country, not even US
    > immigration.

Also, the OP should immediately sell any automobile made since
Henry Ford (the first one) was in charge of Ford. All of the new
cars are no good. And if the OP owns any CDs, he should
immediately dispose of them and buy records. After all, electrical
power may disappear tomorrow and he should ensure that all
music can be played using a sewing needle.


Pete

Irwell

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:28:25 GMT, "Pete" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>> We have just received our new US passport, like the new $20
    >>> bill it looks almost home made. Just wondering whether to carry
    >>> our old pasports as well?
    >> Yes, your expired passport should be used for all immigration
    >> purposes when crossing any international frontier. The new
    >> passport, handmade by state department employees in their
    >> spare time, will not be accepted by any country, not even US
    >> immigration.
    >Also, the OP should immediately sell any automobile made since
    >Henry Ford (the first one) was in charge of Ford. All of the new
    >cars are no good. And if the OP owns any CDs, he should
    >immediately dispose of them and buy records. After all, electrical
    >power may disappear tomorrow and he should ensure that all
    >music can be played using a sewing needle.
    >Pete
And the 3rd poster should have a look at a new US Passport
and figure out whether some official in an out of the way
town would think whether itlooks genuine or not. Immigration
officials, on the other hand will soon see enough of them,
like clerks in busy department stores recognised the $20
bills, it is the smaller places one has the problems.
What was that old adage about "lower form of wit"?

Punktilious

"irwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > We have just received our new US passport,
    > like the new $20 bill it looks almost home made.
    > Just wondering whether to carry our old pasports
    > as well?

If you have any doubts or concerns, why not carry the old passports. How
much room does a passport take? Can't be that much of an inconvenience, if
at all, to carry the old ones.

Pete

    > If you have any doubts or concerns, why not carry the old passports.
    > How much room does a passport take? Can't be that much of an
    > inconvenience, if at all, to carry the old ones.

Unless things have changed recently, expired American passports are
punched leaving a hole approximately 1/4" in diameter. Anyone seeing
this hole will realize it is invalid and will refuse to have anything to do
with it. In today's post-9/11 world, that action might even get you
arrested. Expired passports are only useful for saving old entry and
departure stamps.


Pete

Juliana L Holm

Pete <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> If you have any doubts or concerns, why not carry the old passports.
    >> How much room does a passport take? Can't be that much of an
    >> inconvenience, if at all, to carry the old ones.

    > Unless things have changed recently, expired American passports are
    > punched leaving a hole approximately 1/4" in diameter. Anyone seeing
    > this hole will realize it is invalid and will refuse to have anything to do
    > with it. In today's post-9/11 world, that action might even get you
    > arrested. Expired passports are only useful for saving old entry and
    > departure stamps.


I think the poster was talking about bringing both, so that the perosn you're
showing it to might understand this is the old one, this is the new one. I'm
not sure it would work, but I don't think that he/she was suggesting that
you take the old one instead of the new one.

FWIW, old passports are still useful as identification in some circumstances.

Julie

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Gunter Herrmann

Hi!

Juliana L Holm wrote:

    > FWIW, old passports are still useful as identification in some circumstances.

AFAIK a lot of countries accept expired passports as ID for their
citizens returning from abroad.

brgds

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Gunter Herrmann
Naples, Florida, USA

Punktilious

"Gunter Herrmann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Hi!
    > Juliana L Holm wrote:
    >> FWIW, old passports are still useful as identification in some
    >> circumstances.
    > AFAIK a lot of countries accept expired passports as ID for their citizens
    > returning from abroad.
    > brgds
    > --
    > Gunter Herrmann
    > Naples, Florida, USA

Which begs the question; why carry just the new passport or just the old
passport? Why not just bring both of them?

Pete

    >>> FWIW, old passports are still useful as identification in some
    >>> circumstances.

In very limited circumstances. I cannot think of one. Many places in
the USA will not accept a passport as ID to write a check because
it has no address. An expired passport is of less value. An expired
passport will be of no value to passport control of any foreign
country. The only value I can think of for an expired passport is as
substitute proof of citizenship in the case of a lost passport. But a
xerox of a current passport is better still and is easier to carry.

    >> AFAIK a lot of countries accept expired passports as ID for
    >> their citizens returning from abroad.

Not because it is a policy but because it is the only way a citizen can
return home. I suspect you will be forcefully informed to obtain a
new passport before your next trip starts. And let's not forget that
many countries require visitors to carry a passport with more than
six months left of validity.

    > Which begs the question; why carry just the new passport or just
    > the old passport? Why not just bring both of them?

Why not bring all of the clothes from your closet on your trip?

A copy of your current passport serves the same function and takes
much less space in your pocket.


Pete

Juliana L Holm

punktilious <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Gunter Herrmann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> Hi!
    >> Juliana L Holm wrote:
    >>> FWIW, old passports are still useful as identification in some
    >>> circumstances.
    >> AFAIK a lot of countries accept expired passports as ID for their citizens
    >> returning from abroad.
    >> brgds
    >> --
    >> Gunter Herrmann
    >> Naples, Florida, USA

    > Which begs the question; why carry just the new passport or just the old
    > passport? Why not just bring both of them?

As I said in the part that was cut out from the note above, I think this is
what the person was trying to say when they suggested bringin the old pass-
port for people who might not understand the new one.

--
Julie
**********
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Punktilious

"Pete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >>>> FWIW, old passports are still useful as identification in some
    >>>> circumstances.
    > In very limited circumstances. I cannot think of one. Many places in
    > the USA will not accept a passport as ID to write a check because
    > it has no address. An expired passport is of less value. An expired
    > passport will be of no value to passport control of any foreign
    > country. The only value I can think of for an expired passport is as
    > substitute proof of citizenship in the case of a lost passport. But a
    > xerox of a current passport is better still and is easier to carry.
    >>> AFAIK a lot of countries accept expired passports as ID for
    >>> their citizens returning from abroad.
    > Not because it is a policy but because it is the only way a citizen can
    > return home. I suspect you will be forcefully informed to obtain a
    > new passport before your next trip starts. And let's not forget that
    > many countries require visitors to carry a passport with more than
    > six months left of validity.
    >> Which begs the question; why carry just the new passport or just
    >> the old passport? Why not just bring both of them?
    > Why not bring all of the clothes from your closet on your trip?
    > A copy of your current passport serves the same function and takes
    > much less space in your pocket.
    > Pete
This will be my last post on this matter because it seems that you want to
argue for argument's sake. The original poster said that the new passport
did not seem real and so he was asking if he should bring the old in case
there is any question. I responded that why not bring both of them just in
case, since there really isn't much downside to bringing the old one.

There was *no* implication of using the old passport for anything other than
just a backup in case the new one is questioned due to its "unofficial"
appearance.

All the other things you've mentioned about using the old one for ID or
using it in case the new one is lost, is totally irrelevant to the original
question, though what you say may be true.

EvelynVogtGamble

punktilious wrote:

    >
    > Which begs the question; why carry just the new passport or just the old
    > passport? Why not just bring both of them?

Those of us with reasonable reading comprehension already
figured out that was what the OP was asking!


    >
    >

Punktilious

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > punktilious wrote:
    >> Which begs the question; why carry just the new passport or just the old
    >> passport? Why not just bring both of them?
    > Those of us with reasonable reading comprehension already figured out that
    > was what the OP was asking!
Those of us with reasonable intelligence would wonder why even post the
question. It's doesn't take much to carry the old passport together with the
new and so when in doubt, just do it. And those of us who try to have some
semblance of "diplomacy" didn't want to say that it was really a question
that didn't have to be asked to begin with.

merdealorsen

Aren't you supposed to destroy your passport when you get a new one?
I can only think that carrying an old passport will get you in trouble.
It could be altered and used fraudulently. In fact, they are probably
for sale on E-bay.

There are over 300 million Americans. I think even the loneliest border
control person in the most far off country will quickly be able to
recognise a genuine American passport. Besides, most people can spot
(hear) an American a mile away. ;-)

Sam