Nhampton

[email protected] (Will) wrote in message news:...
    > I'm interested in moving to Europe but don't really know what I need
    > in the way of travel visas or work visas. Can someone enlighten me as
    > to what I will need in order to live and work in another country. I
    > have a passport and access to a plane ticket...that's about it.
    > Thanks in advance! --Will

We did what you want to do. There are two ways to do it.

1) you must work for an American company with offices in Europe and
get them to move you there (they do all the visa and work permit
stuff) or;

2) get a job with a European company and they will do the visa and
work permit stuff. This must be done before you leave the USA.

This said, unemployment is very high in Europe. They don't generally
hire people from none European countries for jobs there. If you happen
to be in a field that is sought after and that the positions cannot be
filled by European citizens then you have a better chance. Info Tech,
Software development, etc are pretty good fields. I have also heard
that Switzerland hires lots of Dental technologists. If you are
thinking of anything other than these types of jobs then you may as
well forget it.

It's not easy and requires lot of perserverance. My husband taught
himself German (it took 2 years) by studying grammar every night for 2
hours, then hired a tutor to help him speak it. He applied for jobs in
German using German classified ads in German newspapers and after a
couple of years of trying finally got hired. I worked for a company
with offices in Europe so could transfer. If you are thinking of any
country other than the UK you had better have the language skills
unless you go with an american company over there.

Good luck
Nancy

John Bermont

Will wrote:
    >
    > I'm interested in moving to Europe but don't really know what I need
    > in the way of travel visas or work visas. Can someone enlighten me as
    > to what I will need in order to live and work in another country. I
    > have a passport and access to a plane ticket...that's about it.
    > Thanks in advance! --Will

Will,

I've done this a few times. Everything that you have read in the other
replies is right. Serendipity is the key. Hard work is the way to find
work.

My chapter at http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/living.htm gives
you a run down on the practicalities of moving to Europe. This assumes
that you already have a job over there. For my official moves, I already
had a job with an American company who had offices in Europe. This route
was pointed out by some other posters.

I'm afraid that you need more than a passport and a plane ticket.

John Bermont
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"HOW TO EUROPE: The Complete Travelers Handbook"
http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/hteurope.htm
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Ulf Kutzner

Barbara Vaughan schrieb:
    >
    > Will wrote:
    > >
    > > I'm interested in moving to Europe but don't really know what I need
    > > in the way of travel visas or work visas. Can someone enlighten me as
    > > to what I will need in order to live and work in another country. I
    > > have a passport and access to a plane ticket...that's about it.
    > > Thanks in advance! --Will
    >
    > Getting a work visa in Europe is about as easy as it is for a European
    > to get a work visa in the US. That is to say it's very difficult.

Err, sorry, getting a work visa in the U.S. after a visa waiver entry is
close to impossible, IIUC.

Regards & X-post, ULF

R J Carpenter

"Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Ulf Kutzner wrote:
    > >
    > > Err, sorry, getting a work visa in the U.S. after a visa waiver entry is
    > > close to impossible, IIUC.
    > I didn't say anything about a visa waiver entry. I said "getting a work
    > visa": period.

An outfit I know went through this for a foreign worker coming to the USA.
It was easy to get the 6-month student-worker visa. It wasn't too hard to
get the 2-year shortage-category visa - but he was back in Europe when that
was obtained. Fancy footwork was required for visas after that - which I
won't detail. After a number of years, his green card [US permanent worker
visa] was issued. He wouldn't have had a chance if we hadn't really wanted
him.

I'm sure it is very similar in Europe.

The OP should find a suitable European ancestor or spouse to be able to can
get EU citizenship.

Barbara Vaughan

Ulf Kutzner wrote:
    >
    > Barbara Vaughan schrieb:
    > >
    > > Will wrote:
    > > >
    > > > I'm interested in moving to Europe but don't really know what I need
    > > > in the way of travel visas or work visas. Can someone enlighten me as
    > > > to what I will need in order to live and work in another country. I
    > > > have a passport and access to a plane ticket...that's about it.
    > > > Thanks in advance! --Will
    > >
    > > Getting a work visa in Europe is about as easy as it is for a European
    > > to get a work visa in the US. That is to say it's very difficult.
    >
    > Err, sorry, getting a work visa in the U.S. after a visa waiver entry is
    > close to impossible, IIUC.

I didn't say anything about a visa waiver entry. I said "getting a work
visa": period.

Barbara

    >
    > Regards & X-post, ULF

Razorback Fan

I am unable to answer your question, but I think if you post your query on
the misc.immigration.misc newsgroup you may have better luck. This
newsgroup's focus is immigration issues related to people wanting to
immigrate TO the U.S. Hope this helps.

Razorback

"Ulf Kutzner" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Barbara Vaughan schrieb:
    > >
    > > Will wrote:
    > > >
    > > > I'm interested in moving to Europe but don't really know what I need
    > > > in the way of travel visas or work visas. Can someone enlighten me as
    > > > to what I will need in order to live and work in another country. I
    > > > have a passport and access to a plane ticket...that's about it.
    > > > Thanks in advance! --Will
    > >
    > > Getting a work visa in Europe is about as easy as it is for a European
    > > to get a work visa in the US. That is to say it's very difficult.
    > Err, sorry, getting a work visa in the U.S. after a visa waiver entry is
    > close to impossible, IIUC.
    > Regards & X-post, ULF

Razorback Fan

Oh never mind, sorry I was in Friday slumber when I wrote my last message.
I noticed you have already posted on the misc newsgroup. Please disregard
my previous post..
R'back

"Razorback Fan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I am unable to answer your question, but I think if you post your query on
    > the misc.immigration.misc newsgroup you may have better luck. This
    > newsgroup's focus is immigration issues related to people wanting to
    > immigrate TO the U.S. Hope this helps.
    > Razorback
    > "Ulf Kutzner" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Barbara Vaughan schrieb:
    > > >
    > > > Will wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > I'm interested in moving to Europe but don't really know what I need
    > > > > in the way of travel visas or work visas. Can someone enlighten me
as
    > > > > to what I will need in order to live and work in another country. I
    > > > > have a passport and access to a plane ticket...that's about it.
    > > > > Thanks in advance! --Will
    > > >
    > > > Getting a work visa in Europe is about as easy as it is for a European
    > > > to get a work visa in the US. That is to say it's very difficult.
    > >
    > > Err, sorry, getting a work visa in the U.S. after a visa waiver entry is
    > > close to impossible, IIUC.
    > >
    > > Regards & X-post, ULF

Mark Marinelli

Check with your local French consulate.
If you want to work there, you usually have to have a job in advance and
they send you a work contract. Then you go to the consulate and get a work
visa.
If you want to live there, you need to find the place first and apply for a
long term visa, if you plan to stay over 9 months.
If only staying for 9 months, one may go to Italy or something and get your
passport stamped to show you left then come back in.
This needs to be done every three months.
It is all kind of complicated but most likely worth it!
When you get to France you need to go to the local govt to get resident
visas, or some such thing.
I heard that a carte de séjour can also be initiated there, when on a work
visa.
"John Bermont" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Will wrote:
    > >
    > > I'm interested in moving to Europe but don't really know what I need
    > > in the way of travel visas or work visas. Can someone enlighten me as
    > > to what I will need in order to live and work in another country. I
    > > have a passport and access to a plane ticket...that's about it.
    > > Thanks in advance! --Will
    > Will,
    > I've done this a few times. Everything that you have read in the other
    > replies is right. Serendipity is the key. Hard work is the way to find
    > work.
    > My chapter at http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/living.htm gives
    > you a run down on the practicalities of moving to Europe. This assumes
    > that you already have a job over there. For my official moves, I already
    > had a job with an American company who had offices in Europe. This route
    > was pointed out by some other posters.
    > I'm afraid that you need more than a passport and a plane ticket.
    > John Bermont
    > --
    > -------------------------------------------------------
    > "HOW TO EUROPE: The Complete Travelers Handbook"
    > http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/hteurope.htm
    > -------------------------------------------------------

Miguel Cruz

Mark Marinelli wrote:
    > Check with your local French consulate.
    > If you want to work there, you usually have to have a job in advance and
    > they send you a work contract. Then you go to the consulate and get a work
    > visa.
    > If you want to live there, you need to find the place first and apply for a
    > long term visa, if you plan to stay over 9 months.
    > If only staying for 9 months, one may go to Italy or something and get your
    > passport stamped to show you left then come back in.

How would you get your passport stamped when crossing between France and
Italy?

The only way to do that would be to go to the UK. And it doesn't help you
stay legal, because they count your total time in over the previous span of
months, not just how long since you last entered.

miguel
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Barbara Vaughan

Mark Marinelli wrote:
    >
    > Check with your local French consulate.
    > If you want to work there, you usually have to have a job in advance and
    > they send you a work contract. Then you go to the consulate and get a work
    > visa.
    > If you want to live there, you need to find the place first and apply for a
    > long term visa, if you plan to stay over 9 months.

You can only stay in Italy for 3 months (90 days) without getting a
definitive visa. The same is true of most countries in Europe.

    > If only staying for 9 months, one may go to Italy or something and get your
    > passport stamped to show you left then come back in.

No, you can only stay in the Schengen area for 90 days out of any
consecutive 180 days. Just going out and coming back in won't help at
all.

    > This needs to be done every three months.
    > It is all kind of complicated but most likely worth it!
    > When you get to France you need to go to the local govt to get resident
    > visas, or some such thing.
    > I heard that a carte de séjour can also be initiated there, when on a work
    > visa.

Most of this stuff is wrong also.

Barbara

Patrick

My wife is a Spech/Language Pathologist, which also appears to be in short
supply in the UK. She hears they are desperate for them. I'm sure there are
other skills needed. The OP should consult with his professional
organization if he has one. The other option for my wife's profession is to
get employment as a civilian on an American military base. One of these
days, we may try it (if we can just get rid of these kids!).
Ken
"nhampton" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > [email protected] (Will) wrote in message
news:...
    > > I'm interested in moving to Europe but don't really know what I need
    > > in the way of travel visas or work visas. Can someone enlighten me as
    > > to what I will need in order to live and work in another country. I
    > > have a passport and access to a plane ticket...that's about it.
    > > Thanks in advance! --Will
    > We did what you want to do. There are two ways to do it.
    > 1) you must work for an American company with offices in Europe and
    > get them to move you there (they do all the visa and work permit
    > stuff) or;
    > 2) get a job with a European company and they will do the visa and
    > work permit stuff. This must be done before you leave the USA.
    > This said, unemployment is very high in Europe. They don't generally
    > hire people from none European countries for jobs there. If you happen
    > to be in a field that is sought after and that the positions cannot be
    > filled by European citizens then you have a better chance. Info Tech,
    > Software development, etc are pretty good fields. I have also heard
    > that Switzerland hires lots of Dental technologists. If you are
    > thinking of anything other than these types of jobs then you may as
    > well forget it.
    > It's not easy and requires lot of perserverance. My husband taught
    > himself German (it took 2 years) by studying grammar every night for 2
    > hours, then hired a tutor to help him speak it. He applied for jobs in
    > German using German classified ads in German newspapers and after a
    > couple of years of trying finally got hired. I worked for a company
    > with offices in Europe so could transfer. If you are thinking of any
    > country other than the UK you had better have the language skills
    > unless you go with an american company over there.
    > Good luck
    > Nancy

Mark Marinelli

I may not have stated everything correctly, but what I am trying to say, is,
one may stay in France for 180 days out of a given year, three months at a
time. So if one wanted to stay the whole 180 days as a stretch. it is
necessary to leave the country, and find some sort of proff that you left
the country(like a stamp on the passport).
Most of this is Not wrong, because I am going through thr process as we
speak. Nothing is cut and dried, that's for sure. All kinds of angles are
being mentionned.
We have a work offer, I have a French Mother, and it is still a bit
compliqué.
Where there is a will there is a way, though.
mm

"Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mark Marinelli wrote:
    > >
    > > Check with your local French consulate.
    > > If you want to work there, you usually have to have a job in advance and
    > > they send you a work contract. Then you go to the consulate and get a
work
    > > visa.
    > > If you want to live there, you need to find the place first and apply
for a
    > > long term visa, if you plan to stay over 9 months.
    > You can only stay in Italy for 3 months (90 days) without getting a
    > definitive visa. The same is true of most countries in Europe.
    > > If only staying for 9 months, one may go to Italy or something and get
your
    > > passport stamped to show you left then come back in.
    > No, you can only stay in the Schengen area for 90 days out of any
    > consecutive 180 days. Just going out and coming back in won't help at
    > all.
    > > This needs to be done every three months.
    > > It is all kind of complicated but most likely worth it!
    > > When you get to France you need to go to the local govt to get resident
    > > visas, or some such thing.
    > > I heard that a carte de séjour can also be initiated there, when on a
work
    > > visa.
    > Most of this stuff is wrong also.
    > Barbara

Devil

On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:12:08 +0200, Barbara Vaughan wrote:

    >
    >
    > Mark Marinelli wrote:
    >>
    >> If only staying for 9 months, one may go to Italy or something and get your
    >> passport stamped to show you left then come back in.
    >
    > No, you can only stay in the Schengen area for 90 days out of any
    > consecutive 180 days. Just going out and coming back in won't help at
    > all.

Except if you have two different passports perhaps?

Greg Byshenk

Mark Marinelli wrote:

    > I may not have stated everything correctly, but what I am trying to say, is,
    > one may stay in France for 180 days out of a given year, three months at a
    > time. So if one wanted to stay the whole 180 days as a stretch. it is
    > necessary to leave the country, and find some sort of proff that you left
    > the country(like a stamp on the passport).
    > Most of this is Not wrong, because I am going through thr process as we
    > speak. Nothing is cut and dried, that's for sure. All kinds of angles are
    > being mentionned.
    > We have a work offer, I have a French Mother, and it is still a bit
    > compliqué.
    > Where there is a will there is a way, though.

Perhaps it is I that is not understanding here, but the above seems
most confused.

The "90 days out of 180" is the standard for a tourist visa for
Schengen (including Frances). And, while there may be some "angles",
it is my understanding that one cannot legally "stay for 180 days as
a stretch" on a tourist visa (nor such a thing as "stay 90 days,
leave for a day, then stay another 90 days").

But that said, when you say "we have a work offer", then the whole
issue of a tourist visa is beside the point. If you plan to work
(legally), then you will need a work permit and (I believe) a
residence permit, as a tourist visa does not allow you to work
legally.

Further, my understanding is that, though one can apply for a
temporary residence permit after arrival -- if one has arrived on
a work visa -- one _cannot_ change to a work visa if one has arrived
on a tourist visa. Indeed, one cannot even _apply_ _for_ a work
visa if one is already in France on a tourist visa; rather, one
must leave France and apply from abroad.



    > "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Mark Marinelli wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Check with your local French consulate.
    > > > If you want to work there, you usually have to have a job in advance and
    > > > they send you a work contract. Then you go to the consulate and get a work
    > > > visa.
    > > > If you want to live there, you need to find the place first and apply for a
    > > > long term visa, if you plan to stay over 9 months.
    > >
    > > You can only stay in Italy for 3 months (90 days) without getting a
    > > definitive visa. The same is true of most countries in Europe.
    > >
    > > > If only staying for 9 months, one may go to Italy or something and get your
    > > > passport stamped to show you left then come back in.
    > >
    > > No, you can only stay in the Schengen area for 90 days out of any
    > > consecutive 180 days. Just going out and coming back in won't help at
    > > all.
    > >
    > > > This needs to be done every three months.
    > > > It is all kind of complicated but most likely worth it!
    > > > When you get to France you need to go to the local govt to get resident
    > > > visas, or some such thing.
    > > > I heard that a carte de séjour can also be initiated there, when on a work
    > > > visa.
    > >
    > > Most of this stuff is wrong also.


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Greg Byshenk

greg byshenk wrote:

    > The "90 days out of 180" is the standard for a tourist visa for
    > Schengen (including Frances). And, while there may be some "angles",
    > it is my understanding that one cannot legally "stay for 180 days as
    > a stretch" on a tourist visa (nor such a thing as "stay 90 days,
    > leave for a day, then stay another 90 days").

    > But that said, when you say "we have a work offer", then the whole
    > issue of a tourist visa is beside the point. If you plan to work
    > (legally), then you will need a work permit and (I believe) a
    > residence permit, as a tourist visa does not allow you to work
    > legally.

Apologies for the additional followup, but I meant to add here that,
if one has a work visa and residence permit, then obviously the time
restrictions of a tourist visa do not apply.


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