Al

Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<260820042128196702%[email protected]>...
    > In watching the Olympics and specifically the Gold Medal presentation
    > to the Italian Igor Cassina (classy kid) on the High Bar... he placed
    > his hand over his heart during the playing of Italy's National Anthem.
    >
    > Is this the tradition in Italy? I don't recall ever seeing it while I
    > was there... but I don't think I was ever at an event where it was
    > played.
    >
    > For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
    > official code.

What does it say about singing along? Did you see the US women's
soccer team receiving their medals?

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:27:02 +0200, [email protected] (Luca Logi) wrote:
    >
    >
    > >It would be enough for me that Michael Schumacher, what an idiot, would
    > >stop making strange looks while the Italian anthem is played.
    >
    > So it upsets you too.

Isn't he the most compensated sportsman in the world ? In fact, I
heard not even Tiger or Jordan are even in his league.

jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
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    > You'd think that with the number of wins driving Ferraris, that he has
    > each season, he would either have got used to it by now or changed to
    > a German car for the occasional more singable "D. uber Alles".

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, Olivers
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Hatunen extrapolated from data available...
    >
    >
    > >
    > > The flag code does not have the force of law.
    > >
    >
    > Unfortunately for those who ignore it, there are a number of venues in the
    > US where failure to comply so will bring opprobrium, loud vocal criticism,
    > cold sodas poured down your back, and the occasinal thrashing.

The latter two I have never witnessed, the first two are free speech,
aren't they ?

jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
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    >
    > Out there in the Heartland/Flyover states, especially in rural areas and
    > small town public gatherings, the principle which allows one not to observe
    > the flag code often gives way to a harsher reality of an intolerant
    > populace.
    >
    > Taking your hat off for the pregame prayer is also recommended.
    >
    > I'm interested at the choice of many US athletes, mostly men
    > (appropriately, I believe, "uncovering" as it were) to hold the laurel
    > wreath over their hearts during the Anthem. The traditional ancient salute
    > was probably to hold it extended at arm's length in the right hand.
    >
    > While one could hardly applaud the musical capacity of the US women who
    > play soccer and sing loudly, their commitment to trying to sing and joy of
    > the moment were appealing. Whenever I see Olympic winners actually singing
    > or otherwise enraptured by their national anthems, I'm always reminded that
    > that's what Beethoven may have meant by "Ode to Joy". I note that the
    > Greek winners seem fully as jingoistic as any of the USAians (most of whom
    > have acted other than 'Merkinish).

Steltzjr

<< There were enough of them on the podium that
you could actually hear them singing, and it was atrocious! :-) >>

They'd be just as atrocious singing America the beautiful.

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, Hatunen
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:23:44 GMT, "geotek" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"Icono Clast" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]. com...
    > >> Go Fig wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
    > >> > official code.
    > >>
    > >> It is? Can you cite it? I always put my hands behind my back as the
    > >> national anthem of the USA is too violent and godly for me to honor.
    > >> It fits the current Administration well.
    > >>
    > >
    > >It fit past administrations well, also. It described the birth of the
    > >United States well, too. Perhaps you should try to stick one thumb up you
    > >arse, and one thumb in your mouth. Switch hands periodically, while you
    > >curl in the fetal position.
    > >geotek
    >
    > There are many of us who would prefer that "America the Beutiful"
    > be the ntional anthem.

FWIW: Irving Berlin was not in favor of this and he maintained that
position till his death.... I'm sure you know this common trivia
through ;-)

You would never catch Berlin without standing at attention and hand
over heart during the National Anthem, he was profoundly grateful, as
an immigrant from Russia, to be an American. A Jewish American who
wrote "Easter Parade" and "White Christmas".... go figure ? Nope,
America !

jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
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jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
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    >
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    > * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
    > * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Hatunen writes:
    >
    > > As already cited in this thread:
    > >
    > > U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
    >
    > The official suggestion, you mean?

I posted the text. It is not a suggestion, it just carries no penalty
under law. For those who choose not to, I doubt they feel those who do
are 'silly'.

jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
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Hatunen

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:59:31 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Olivers
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Hatunen extrapolated from data available...
    >>
    >> > The flag code does not have the force of law.
    >> >
    >> Unfortunately for those who ignore it, there are a number of venues in the
    >> US where failure to comply so will bring opprobrium, loud vocal criticism,
    >> cold sodas poured down your back, and the occasinal thrashing.
    >The latter two I have never witnessed, the first two are free speech,
    >aren't they ?

What's that got to do with it?


************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Miguel Cruz

Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
    > And the words... Take a look at the words to "Oh, Canada"
    > sometime. Or "Advance Australia Fair".

And for real fun find some Australians and challenge them to remember more
than three words from Advance Australia Fair.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

Hatunen

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:24:34 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Hatunen
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:23:44 GMT, "geotek" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> >"Icono Clast" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >news:[email protected]. com...
    >> >> Go Fig wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> > For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
    >> >> > official code.
    >> >>
    >> >> It is? Can you cite it? I always put my hands behind my back as the
    >> >> national anthem of the USA is too violent and godly for me to honor.
    >> >> It fits the current Administration well.
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >It fit past administrations well, also. It described the birth of the
    >> >United States well, too. Perhaps you should try to stick one thumb up you
    >> >arse, and one thumb in your mouth. Switch hands periodically, while you
    >> >curl in the fetal position.
    >> >geotek
    >>
    >> There are many of us who would prefer that "America the Beutiful"
    >> be the ntional anthem.
    >FWIW: Irving Berlin was not in favor of this and he maintained that
    >position till his death.... I'm sure you know this common trivia
    >through ;-)

I'm not sure wy this is important. Berlin didn't write "America
the Beautiful." Perhaps you're thinking of "God Bless America."

    >You would never catch Berlin without standing at attention and hand
    >over heart during the National Anthem, he was profoundly grateful, as
    >an immigrant from Russia, to be an American. A Jewish American who
    >wrote "Easter Parade" and "White Christmas".... go figure ? Nope,
    >America !

Do you think he wouldn't have stood reverently for "America the
Beautiful"?

************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Miguel Cruz

Olivers <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Let's face it. Were you sitting out on the Champs D'Elysee on Bastille Day
    > during the ceremonies and the band struck up the French Anthem, do you not
    > expect that some among the French might be offended, yea, even so offended
    > as to respond.

If he remained seated or continued with his crossword puzzle or whatever?
I'd frankly be shocked if anyone reacted to that in any way. The French may
be proud of themselves, but at least their perspective on patriotism is
slightly less Texas-high-school-football.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

Geotek

"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Olivers <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Let's face it. Were you sitting out on the Champs D'Elysee on Bastille
Day
    > > during the ceremonies and the band struck up the French Anthem, do you
not
    > > expect that some among the French might be offended, yea, even so
offended
    > > as to respond.
    > If he remained seated or continued with his crossword puzzle or whatever?
    > I'd frankly be shocked if anyone reacted to that in any way. The French
may
    > be proud of themselves, but at least their perspective on patriotism is
    > slightly less Texas-high-school-football.
    > miguel
    > --
    > Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

Obviously- just look at WWII

Geotek

"Olivers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hatunen extrapolated from data available...
    > >
    > > The flag code does not have the force of law.
    > >
    > Unfortunately for those who ignore it, there are a number of venues in the
    > US where failure to comply so will bring opprobrium, loud vocal criticism,
    > cold sodas poured down your back, and the occasinal thrashing.
    > Out there in the Heartland/Flyover states, especially in rural areas and
    > small town public gatherings, the principle which allows one not to
observe
    > the flag code often gives way to a harsher reality of an intolerant
    > populace.
    > Taking your hat off for the pregame prayer is also recommended.
    > I'm interested at the choice of many US athletes, mostly men
    > (appropriately, I believe, "uncovering" as it were) to hold the laurel
    > wreath over their hearts during the Anthem. The traditional ancient
salute
    > was probably to hold it extended at arm's length in the right hand.
    > While one could hardly applaud the musical capacity of the US women who
    > play soccer and sing loudly, their commitment to trying to sing and joy of
    > the moment were appealing. Whenever I see Olympic winners actually singing
    > or otherwise enraptured by their national anthems, I'm always reminded
that
    > that's what Beethoven may have meant by "Ode to Joy". I note that the
    > Greek winners seem fully as jingoistic as any of the USAians (most of whom
    > have acted other than 'Merkinish).

Well said!
We shouldn't trash the anthem, or the singers, because they are incapable of
singing properly. I do heartily admire their enthusiasm.

Bb

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:42:38 -0700, Go Fig wrote:

    >> >It would be enough for me that Michael Schumacher, what an idiot, would
    >> >stop making strange looks while the Italian anthem is played.
    >>
    >> So it upsets you too.
    >
    > Isn't he the most compensated sportsman in the world ? In fact, I
    > heard not even Tiger or Jordan are even in his league.

I was just flipping through a July 2004 Forbes a few hours ago (in the
waiting line). Tiger's still first - there was some racer in second, must
be this guy.

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

Devil

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:35:05 -0700, Go Fig wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Hatunen writes:
    >>
    >> > As already cited in this thread:
    >> >
    >> > U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
    >>
    >> The official suggestion, you mean?
    >
    > I posted the text. It is not a suggestion, it just carries no penalty
    > under law. For those who choose not to, I doubt they feel those who do
    > are 'silly'.


Of course they are. The whole idea is. Manipulation of the worst kind,
actually.

Devil

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:59:15 +0100, Owain wrote:

    > "Icono Clast" wrote
    > | Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
    > ...
    > | And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
    >
    > Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?


I guess the god is green?

(Oops, aren't they now multicolor?)