National Anthem Traditions?
Aug 27th 2004, 2:33 am
#16
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Re: National Anthem Traditions?
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
> In watching the Olympics and specifically the Gold Medal presentation
> to the Italian Igor Cassina (classy kid) on the High Bar... he placed
> his hand over his heart during the playing of Italy's National Anthem.
>
> Is this the tradition in Italy? I don't recall ever seeing it while I
> was there... but I don't think I was ever at an event where it was
> played.
>
> For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
> official code.
If you want to look silly, be my guest.
> In watching the Olympics and specifically the Gold Medal presentation
> to the Italian Igor Cassina (classy kid) on the High Bar... he placed
> his hand over his heart during the playing of Italy's National Anthem.
>
> Is this the tradition in Italy? I don't recall ever seeing it while I
> was there... but I don't think I was ever at an event where it was
> played.
>
> For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
> official code.
If you want to look silly, be my guest.
Aug 27th 2004, 2:58 am
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Re: National Anthem Traditions?
"Keith Willshaw" wrote
| "a.spencer3" wrote
| > Have you not seen ...........
| > O lord God arise,
| > Scatter our enemies,
| > And make them fall!
| > Confound their knavish tricks,
| > Confuse their politics,
| > On you our hopes we fix,
| > God save the Queen!
| Or better still
| 6. Lord grant that Marshal Wade
| May by thy mighty aid
| Victory bring.
| May he sedition hush,
| And like a torrent rush,
| Rebellious Scots to crush.
| God save the King!
I don't think we sing those bits now. from
www.royal.gov.uk/output/page317.asp
There is no authorised version of the National Anthem as the words are a
matter of tradition. Additional verses have been added down the years, but
these are rarely used. The words used are those sung in 1745, substituting
'Queen' for 'King' where appropriate. On official occasions, only the first
verse is usually sung, as follows:
God save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen.
An additional verse is occasionally sung:
Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign.
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen.
Owain
| "a.spencer3" wrote
| > Have you not seen ...........
| > O lord God arise,
| > Scatter our enemies,
| > And make them fall!
| > Confound their knavish tricks,
| > Confuse their politics,
| > On you our hopes we fix,
| > God save the Queen!
| Or better still
| 6. Lord grant that Marshal Wade
| May by thy mighty aid
| Victory bring.
| May he sedition hush,
| And like a torrent rush,
| Rebellious Scots to crush.
| God save the King!
I don't think we sing those bits now. from
www.royal.gov.uk/output/page317.asp
There is no authorised version of the National Anthem as the words are a
matter of tradition. Additional verses have been added down the years, but
these are rarely used. The words used are those sung in 1745, substituting
'Queen' for 'King' where appropriate. On official occasions, only the first
verse is usually sung, as follows:
God save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen.
An additional verse is occasionally sung:
Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign.
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen.
Owain
Aug 27th 2004, 3:33 am
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Re: National Anthem Traditions?
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:45:47 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
>> >official code.
>>
>> is that so? cite
>U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
>It is important to note the use of 'should' instead of 'shall'
then there is no requirement to place the hand over the heart, it is
apparently only a suggestion
>In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
><[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
>> >official code.
>>
>> is that so? cite
>U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
>It is important to note the use of 'should' instead of 'shall'
then there is no requirement to place the hand over the heart, it is
apparently only a suggestion
Aug 27th 2004, 3:34 am
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Re: National Anthem Traditions?
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:59:15 +0100, "Owain"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Icono Clast" wrote
>| Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
>...
>| And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
>Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?
and just how does that motto connect church and state? you can believe
in god without ever stepping foot into a church
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Icono Clast" wrote
>| Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
>...
>| And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
>Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?
and just how does that motto connect church and state? you can believe
in god without ever stepping foot into a church
Aug 27th 2004, 3:44 am
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Re: National Anthem Traditions?
In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:45:47 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
> >> >official code.
> >>
> >> is that so? cite
> >
> >U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
> >
> >It is important to note the use of 'should' instead of 'shall'
>
> then there is no requirement to place the hand over the heart, it is
> apparently only a suggestion
Who said there was a requirement ? Your not required to vote either.
It is, as I said, part of the U.S. Code.
jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:45:47 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
> >> >official code.
> >>
> >> is that so? cite
> >
> >U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
> >
> >It is important to note the use of 'should' instead of 'shall'
>
> then there is no requirement to place the hand over the heart, it is
> apparently only a suggestion
Who said there was a requirement ? Your not required to vote either.
It is, as I said, part of the U.S. Code.
jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
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Aug 27th 2004, 3:48 am
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:34:15 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:59:15 +0100, "Owain"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Icono Clast" wrote
>>| Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
>>...
>>| And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
>>Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?
>and just how does that motto connect church and state? you can believe
>in god without ever stepping foot into a church
It's a bit of a bummer for atheists though, isn't it?
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:59:15 +0100, "Owain"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Icono Clast" wrote
>>| Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
>>...
>>| And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
>>Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?
>and just how does that motto connect church and state? you can believe
>in god without ever stepping foot into a church
It's a bit of a bummer for atheists though, isn't it?
Aug 27th 2004, 3:58 am
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In article <[email protected]>, Nils Zonneveld
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig wrote:
>
> > In watching the Olympics and specifically the Gold Medal presentation
> > to the Italian Igor Cassina (classy kid) on the High Bar... he placed
> > his hand over his heart during the playing of Italy's National Anthem.
> >
> > Is this the tradition in Italy? I don't recall ever seeing it while I
> > was there... but I don't think I was ever at an event where it was
> > played.
> >
> > For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
> > official code.
> >
>
> Inge de Bruin did exactly the same when the Wilhelmus was played for
> her. It is very unusual to do such a thing here at home, I think people
> would regard it a bit presumptuous and eccentric.
>
> But at this particular event, I think the mimicked US custom gave Inge a
> way to control her emotions, to give herself a posture, as no specifics
> about which posture to assume during the performance of the Wilhelmus
> are prescribed.
She is a great returning champion, with great energy that will be
missed in 2008.
Do people usually stand during the playing of Wilhelmus ?
jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
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>
> Nils
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig wrote:
>
> > In watching the Olympics and specifically the Gold Medal presentation
> > to the Italian Igor Cassina (classy kid) on the High Bar... he placed
> > his hand over his heart during the playing of Italy's National Anthem.
> >
> > Is this the tradition in Italy? I don't recall ever seeing it while I
> > was there... but I don't think I was ever at an event where it was
> > played.
> >
> > For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
> > official code.
> >
>
> Inge de Bruin did exactly the same when the Wilhelmus was played for
> her. It is very unusual to do such a thing here at home, I think people
> would regard it a bit presumptuous and eccentric.
>
> But at this particular event, I think the mimicked US custom gave Inge a
> way to control her emotions, to give herself a posture, as no specifics
> about which posture to assume during the performance of the Wilhelmus
> are prescribed.
She is a great returning champion, with great energy that will be
missed in 2008.
Do people usually stand during the playing of Wilhelmus ?
jay
Fri Aug 27, 2004
mailto:[email protected]
>
> Nils
Aug 27th 2004, 4:27 am
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Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is this the tradition in Italy? I don't recall ever seeing it while I
> was there... but I don't think I was ever at an event where it was
> played.
Well, the Italian president is insisting with Italian sportsmen, since
several years, that the Italian anthem should be sung together with the
band. This panicked a lot of them who do not know the words.
However, the Italian anthem is played only on official occasions, mainly
international sport events and diplomatic occasions. I do not know if
there is an official code of listening it with your hand on your heart.
It would be enough for me that Michael Schumacher, what an idiot, would
stop making strange looks while the Italian anthem is played.
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius
(musicologia pratica)
> Is this the tradition in Italy? I don't recall ever seeing it while I
> was there... but I don't think I was ever at an event where it was
> played.
Well, the Italian president is insisting with Italian sportsmen, since
several years, that the Italian anthem should be sung together with the
band. This panicked a lot of them who do not know the words.
However, the Italian anthem is played only on official occasions, mainly
international sport events and diplomatic occasions. I do not know if
there is an official code of listening it with your hand on your heart.
It would be enough for me that Michael Schumacher, what an idiot, would
stop making strange looks while the Italian anthem is played.
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius
(musicologia pratica)
Aug 27th 2004, 4:35 am
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Re: National Anthem Traditions?
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:48:45 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:34:15 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:59:15 +0100, "Owain"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Icono Clast" wrote
>>>| Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
>>>...
>>>| And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
>>>Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?
>>and just how does that motto connect church and state? you can believe
>>in god without ever stepping foot into a church
>It's a bit of a bummer for atheists though, isn't it?
why?
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:34:15 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:59:15 +0100, "Owain"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Icono Clast" wrote
>>>| Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
>>>...
>>>| And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
>>>Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?
>>and just how does that motto connect church and state? you can believe
>>in god without ever stepping foot into a church
>It's a bit of a bummer for atheists though, isn't it?
why?
Aug 27th 2004, 4:36 am
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"Go Fig" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:270820040858190701%[email protected]...
> Do people usually stand during the playing of Wilhelmus ?
Not always. For many it is an appropriate moment to go to the toilet. If
they need to pee and are male, most will stand. In other cases, they'll sit.
Sjoerd
news:270820040858190701%[email protected]...
> Do people usually stand during the playing of Wilhelmus ?
Not always. For many it is an appropriate moment to go to the toilet. If
they need to pee and are male, most will stand. In other cases, they'll sit.
Sjoerd
Aug 27th 2004, 4:36 am
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:27:02 +0200, [email protected] (Luca Logi) wrote:
>It would be enough for me that Michael Schumacher, what an idiot, would
>stop making strange looks while the Italian anthem is played.
So it upsets you too.
You'd think that with the number of wins driving Ferraris, that he has
each season, he would either have got used to it by now or changed to
a German car for the occasional more singable "D. uber Alles".
>It would be enough for me that Michael Schumacher, what an idiot, would
>stop making strange looks while the Italian anthem is played.
So it upsets you too.
You'd think that with the number of wins driving Ferraris, that he has
each season, he would either have got used to it by now or changed to
a German car for the occasional more singable "D. uber Alles".
Aug 27th 2004, 4:38 am
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:35:52 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:48:45 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:34:15 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:59:15 +0100, "Owain"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>"Icono Clast" wrote
>>>>| Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
>>>>...
>>>>| And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
>>>>Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?
>>>and just how does that motto connect church and state? you can believe
>>>in god without ever stepping foot into a church
>>It's a bit of a bummer for atheists though, isn't it?
>why?
How can they put their trust in God, if they don't believe in God?
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:48:45 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:34:15 -0400, 127.0.0.1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:59:15 +0100, "Owain"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>"Icono Clast" wrote
>>>>| Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
>>>>...
>>>>| And this be our motto: "In God is our trust".
>>>>Thought there was supposed to be separation between Church and State?
>>>and just how does that motto connect church and state? you can believe
>>>in god without ever stepping foot into a church
>>It's a bit of a bummer for atheists though, isn't it?
>why?
How can they put their trust in God, if they don't believe in God?
Aug 27th 2004, 4:38 am
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:36:55 +0200, "Sjoerd"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Go Fig" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:270820040858190701%[email protected]...
>> Do people usually stand during the playing of Wilhelmus ?
>Not always. For many it is an appropriate moment to go to the toilet. If
>they need to pee and are male, most will stand. In other cases, they'll sit.
LOL
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Go Fig" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:270820040858190701%[email protected]...
>> Do people usually stand during the playing of Wilhelmus ?
>Not always. For many it is an appropriate moment to go to the toilet. If
>they need to pee and are male, most will stand. In other cases, they'll sit.
LOL
Aug 27th 2004, 4:46 am
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127.0.0.1 wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:45:47 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
>>>>official code.
>>>is that so? cite
>>U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
>>It is important to note the use of 'should' instead of 'shall'
>
>
> then there is no requirement to place the hand over the heart, it is
> apparently only a suggestion
there is no 'requirement' to stand either or remove your hat if you are
a man -- it is a free nation [for a few more minutes and for most
people anyway] it is however the protocol for the playing of the
national anthem
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:45:47 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
>>>>official code.
>>>is that so? cite
>>U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
>>It is important to note the use of 'should' instead of 'shall'
>
>
> then there is no requirement to place the hand over the heart, it is
> apparently only a suggestion
there is no 'requirement' to stand either or remove your hat if you are
a man -- it is a free nation [for a few more minutes and for most
people anyway] it is however the protocol for the playing of the
national anthem
Aug 27th 2004, 4:53 am
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:46:05 -0500, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
>127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:45:47 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
>>>>>official code.
>>>>is that so? cite
>>>U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
>>>It is important to note the use of 'should' instead of 'shall'
>>
>>
>> then there is no requirement to place the hand over the heart, it is
>> apparently only a suggestion
>there is no 'requirement' to stand either or remove your hat if you are
>a man -- it is a free nation [for a few more minutes and for most
>people anyway] it is however the protocol for the playing of the
>national anthem
The flag code does not have the force of law.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
>127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:45:47 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, 127.0.0.1
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:28:19 -0700, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>For a U.S. Citizen, placing your hand over the heart is part of the
>>>>>official code.
>>>>is that so? cite
>>>U.S. Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
>>>It is important to note the use of 'should' instead of 'shall'
>>
>>
>> then there is no requirement to place the hand over the heart, it is
>> apparently only a suggestion
>there is no 'requirement' to stand either or remove your hat if you are
>a man -- it is a free nation [for a few more minutes and for most
>people anyway] it is however the protocol for the playing of the
>national anthem
The flag code does not have the force of law.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
