MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
Dec 3rd 2005, 9:10 am
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Re: MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
Amsterdam 2 days is OK if you don't make any excursions out of the city
Just wander about the canals, visit the Rijksmuseum and Anne Frank's house
Brussels, one day, see the usual stuff
Austria is a country, not a town !!
So count as many days as you can, Vienna needs at least 2 days, Salzburg
one, the mountains one etc etc plus the time needed to travel inside the
country.
Switzerland, same comment : Basel, Z�rich, Geneva and Locarno would be
musts, plus inside the country you need a week counting Lausanne and the
Lakes plus the schwytzer cantons.
So you have to make the choices, not us.
Why don't you buy the latest Let's Go ?
"Shivani" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> Folks,
> I am visiting Amsterdam, Brussels, Austria and Switzerland in June
> 2006- Spending only 2-3 days in each country- We know we can do it. My
> question to you all is what are the must see places in these countries?
> We love nature as well as modern city not to forget architecture. So
> please suggest me how should I plan my trip?
> Thanks a million.
>
Just wander about the canals, visit the Rijksmuseum and Anne Frank's house
Brussels, one day, see the usual stuff
Austria is a country, not a town !!
So count as many days as you can, Vienna needs at least 2 days, Salzburg
one, the mountains one etc etc plus the time needed to travel inside the
country.
Switzerland, same comment : Basel, Z�rich, Geneva and Locarno would be
musts, plus inside the country you need a week counting Lausanne and the
Lakes plus the schwytzer cantons.
So you have to make the choices, not us.
Why don't you buy the latest Let's Go ?
"Shivani" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected]. com...
> Folks,
> I am visiting Amsterdam, Brussels, Austria and Switzerland in June
> 2006- Spending only 2-3 days in each country- We know we can do it. My
> question to you all is what are the must see places in these countries?
> We love nature as well as modern city not to forget architecture. So
> please suggest me how should I plan my trip?
> Thanks a million.
>
Dec 3rd 2005, 5:05 pm
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Re: MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
Martin-
Why else see Anne Frank's house? Lots of reasons-
It's representative of how this family survived- interesting in and of
itself.
It's a story of the incredible capacity for survival.
It's a part of history that's so often overlooked- those who survived.
Survivors- except for those who were prisoners of war- rarely have their
story told.
It was made into a historical movie from her actual diary, but this
tells the REAL story.
Do you only care about people like yourself?
And finally as Santayana (I think) said; "Those who don't remember the
past are doomed to repeat it."
I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things to
do in Amsterdam.
Susan
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:39:18 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Derek,
>>The Anne Frank Museum has become commercialized? That's so sad!
Then Martin wrote:
> Unless you had relatives who were victims or are Jewish, what is the
> point of flying half way around the world to visit on a short holiday
> what is basically a Dutch house?
Why else see Anne Frank's house? Lots of reasons-
It's representative of how this family survived- interesting in and of
itself.
It's a story of the incredible capacity for survival.
It's a part of history that's so often overlooked- those who survived.
Survivors- except for those who were prisoners of war- rarely have their
story told.
It was made into a historical movie from her actual diary, but this
tells the REAL story.
Do you only care about people like yourself?
And finally as Santayana (I think) said; "Those who don't remember the
past are doomed to repeat it."
I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things to
do in Amsterdam.
Susan
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:39:18 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Derek,
>>The Anne Frank Museum has become commercialized? That's so sad!
Then Martin wrote:
> Unless you had relatives who were victims or are Jewish, what is the
> point of flying half way around the world to visit on a short holiday
> what is basically a Dutch house?
Dec 3rd 2005, 9:03 pm
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Re: MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin-
>Why else see Anne Frank's house? Lots of reasons-
>It's representative of how this family survived- interesting in and of
>itself.
>It's a story of the incredible capacity for survival.
She didn't survive, other Dutch who spent the war in hiding did
survive but nobody ever hears of them.
Millions of Dutch people starved in 1944-1945. Who remembers them
outside Holland?
>It's a part of history that's so often overlooked- those who survived.
>Survivors- except for those who were prisoners of war- rarely have their
>story told.
My father-in-law spent the whole war in a POW camp in Silesia, nobody
told his story.
The war and it's victims are not over looked, nor are they forgotten,
it's on European TV over and over again. Millions of copies of the
Anne Frank book have been sold in just about every language.
Visiting the house didn't make it come alive for me. It's just an
ordinary canal side Dutch house. Even worse I wondered how the hell
the Germans didn't notice that a good chunk of the house visible from
the outside didn't exist inside.
Visiting Dachau in winter did make it real.
>It was made into a historical movie from her actual diary, but this
>tells the REAL story.
>Do you only care about people like yourself?
Where did I say that?
Do you spend your holidays in Europe touring concentration camp sites?
There are more than enough to fill a two week holiday.
>And finally as Santayana (I think) said; "Those who don't remember the
>past are doomed to repeat it."
>I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things to
>do in Amsterdam.
Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
>Susan
>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:39:18 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Derek,
>>>The Anne Frank Museum has become commercialized? That's so sad!
>Then Martin wrote:
>> Unless you had relatives who were victims or are Jewish, what is the
>> point of flying half way around the world to visit on a short holiday
>> what is basically a Dutch house?
--
Martin http://tinyurl.com/8x2pz
wrote:
>Martin-
>Why else see Anne Frank's house? Lots of reasons-
>It's representative of how this family survived- interesting in and of
>itself.
>It's a story of the incredible capacity for survival.
She didn't survive, other Dutch who spent the war in hiding did
survive but nobody ever hears of them.
Millions of Dutch people starved in 1944-1945. Who remembers them
outside Holland?
>It's a part of history that's so often overlooked- those who survived.
>Survivors- except for those who were prisoners of war- rarely have their
>story told.
My father-in-law spent the whole war in a POW camp in Silesia, nobody
told his story.
The war and it's victims are not over looked, nor are they forgotten,
it's on European TV over and over again. Millions of copies of the
Anne Frank book have been sold in just about every language.
Visiting the house didn't make it come alive for me. It's just an
ordinary canal side Dutch house. Even worse I wondered how the hell
the Germans didn't notice that a good chunk of the house visible from
the outside didn't exist inside.
Visiting Dachau in winter did make it real.
>It was made into a historical movie from her actual diary, but this
>tells the REAL story.
>Do you only care about people like yourself?
Where did I say that?
Do you spend your holidays in Europe touring concentration camp sites?
There are more than enough to fill a two week holiday.
>And finally as Santayana (I think) said; "Those who don't remember the
>past are doomed to repeat it."
>I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things to
>do in Amsterdam.
Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
>Susan
>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:39:18 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Derek,
>>>The Anne Frank Museum has become commercialized? That's so sad!
>Then Martin wrote:
>> Unless you had relatives who were victims or are Jewish, what is the
>> point of flying half way around the world to visit on a short holiday
>> what is basically a Dutch house?
--
Martin http://tinyurl.com/8x2pz
Dec 3rd 2005, 9:22 pm
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Re: MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
> wrote:
[]
> >I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things to
> >do in Amsterdam.
>
> Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
I don't think that's really anything to do with it. Anne Frank's house
isn't much to see, you're right. However, when I visited the house
(around age 16), I found it poignant because of reading the diary. Yes,
there are always more forgotten victims and survivors than ones who are
remembered, but the point of contact, the focus on one individual, can
be valuable to some people- I certainly got something out of it.
Similarly, when I visited Freud's house in Vienna. It's not much to see
either. Most of his belongings are at his house in London- there's not
that much of interest unless you are fascinated in every aspect of Freud
(which I'm not.) I did get something out of being there though. Even
typing now, I still remember the way I was quietly moved. Some people
react that way, some people don't. It has nothing to do with your
religion or whether or not you lost relatives in the war IMO.
I've never revisited the house on subsequent visits to Amsterdam though-
whereas I've been to the Rijksmuseum several times...
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
> wrote:
[]
> >I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things to
> >do in Amsterdam.
>
> Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
I don't think that's really anything to do with it. Anne Frank's house
isn't much to see, you're right. However, when I visited the house
(around age 16), I found it poignant because of reading the diary. Yes,
there are always more forgotten victims and survivors than ones who are
remembered, but the point of contact, the focus on one individual, can
be valuable to some people- I certainly got something out of it.
Similarly, when I visited Freud's house in Vienna. It's not much to see
either. Most of his belongings are at his house in London- there's not
that much of interest unless you are fascinated in every aspect of Freud
(which I'm not.) I did get something out of being there though. Even
typing now, I still remember the way I was quietly moved. Some people
react that way, some people don't. It has nothing to do with your
religion or whether or not you lost relatives in the war IMO.
I've never revisited the house on subsequent visits to Amsterdam though-
whereas I've been to the Rijksmuseum several times...
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
Dec 3rd 2005, 9:29 pm
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Re: MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:22:07 +0000, [email protected]
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>[]
>> >I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things to
>> >do in Amsterdam.
>>
>> Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
>I don't think that's really anything to do with it. Anne Frank's house
>isn't much to see, you're right. However, when I visited the house
>(around age 16), I found it poignant because of reading the diary. Yes,
>there are always more forgotten victims and survivors than ones who are
>remembered, but the point of contact, the focus on one individual, can
>be valuable to some people- I certainly got something out of it.
>Similarly, when I visited Freud's house in Vienna. It's not much to see
>either. Most of his belongings are at his house in London- there's not
>that much of interest unless you are fascinated in every aspect of Freud
>(which I'm not.) I did get something out of being there though. Even
>typing now, I still remember the way I was quietly moved. Some people
>react that way, some people don't. It has nothing to do with your
>religion or whether or not you lost relatives in the war IMO.
>I've never revisited the house on subsequent visits to Amsterdam though-
>whereas I've been to the Rijksmuseum several times...
I've only been to Anne Frank's house once, to accompany a visiting
German friend.
--
Martin http://tinyurl.com/8x2pz
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>[]
>> >I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things to
>> >do in Amsterdam.
>>
>> Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
>I don't think that's really anything to do with it. Anne Frank's house
>isn't much to see, you're right. However, when I visited the house
>(around age 16), I found it poignant because of reading the diary. Yes,
>there are always more forgotten victims and survivors than ones who are
>remembered, but the point of contact, the focus on one individual, can
>be valuable to some people- I certainly got something out of it.
>Similarly, when I visited Freud's house in Vienna. It's not much to see
>either. Most of his belongings are at his house in London- there's not
>that much of interest unless you are fascinated in every aspect of Freud
>(which I'm not.) I did get something out of being there though. Even
>typing now, I still remember the way I was quietly moved. Some people
>react that way, some people don't. It has nothing to do with your
>religion or whether or not you lost relatives in the war IMO.
>I've never revisited the house on subsequent visits to Amsterdam though-
>whereas I've been to the Rijksmuseum several times...
I've only been to Anne Frank's house once, to accompany a visiting
German friend.
--
Martin http://tinyurl.com/8x2pz
Dec 4th 2005, 2:57 am
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Re: MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:03:00 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>The war and it's victims are not over looked, nor are they forgotten,
>it's on European TV over and over again. Millions of copies of the
>Anne Frank book have been sold in just about every language.
> Visiting the house didn't make it come alive for me. It's just an
>ordinary canal side Dutch house.
The book is indeed a good read, as it neatly balances between the
growing pains of a young woman and the attrocities that you know are
occuring without their knowledge.
I found Night, by Elie Wiesel to be more chilling.
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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>The war and it's victims are not over looked, nor are they forgotten,
>it's on European TV over and over again. Millions of copies of the
>Anne Frank book have been sold in just about every language.
> Visiting the house didn't make it come alive for me. It's just an
>ordinary canal side Dutch house.
The book is indeed a good read, as it neatly balances between the
growing pains of a young woman and the attrocities that you know are
occuring without their knowledge.
I found Night, by Elie Wiesel to be more chilling.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Dec 4th 2005, 8:26 am
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Re: MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:22:07 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>[]
>>> >I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things
>>> >to
>>> >do in Amsterdam.
>>> Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
>>I don't think that's really anything to do with it. Anne Frank's house
>>isn't much to see, you're right. However, when I visited the house
>>(around age 16), I found it poignant because of reading the diary. Yes,
>>there are always more forgotten victims and survivors than ones who are
>>remembered, but the point of contact, the focus on one individual, can
>>be valuable to some people- I certainly got something out of it.
>>Similarly, when I visited Freud's house in Vienna. It's not much to see
>>either. Most of his belongings are at his house in London- there's not
>>that much of interest unless you are fascinated in every aspect of Freud
>>(which I'm not.) I did get something out of being there though. Even
>>typing now, I still remember the way I was quietly moved. Some people
>>react that way, some people don't. It has nothing to do with your
>>religion or whether or not you lost relatives in the war IMO.
>>I've never revisited the house on subsequent visits to Amsterdam though-
>>whereas I've been to the Rijksmuseum several times...
> I've only been to Anne Frank's house once, to accompany a visiting
> German friend.
Martin, have you read Anne Frank's diary?
Marianne
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> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:22:07 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>[]
>>> >I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things
>>> >to
>>> >do in Amsterdam.
>>> Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
>>I don't think that's really anything to do with it. Anne Frank's house
>>isn't much to see, you're right. However, when I visited the house
>>(around age 16), I found it poignant because of reading the diary. Yes,
>>there are always more forgotten victims and survivors than ones who are
>>remembered, but the point of contact, the focus on one individual, can
>>be valuable to some people- I certainly got something out of it.
>>Similarly, when I visited Freud's house in Vienna. It's not much to see
>>either. Most of his belongings are at his house in London- there's not
>>that much of interest unless you are fascinated in every aspect of Freud
>>(which I'm not.) I did get something out of being there though. Even
>>typing now, I still remember the way I was quietly moved. Some people
>>react that way, some people don't. It has nothing to do with your
>>religion or whether or not you lost relatives in the war IMO.
>>I've never revisited the house on subsequent visits to Amsterdam though-
>>whereas I've been to the Rijksmuseum several times...
> I've only been to Anne Frank's house once, to accompany a visiting
> German friend.
Martin, have you read Anne Frank's diary?
Marianne
Dec 4th 2005, 10:12 am
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Re: MUST SEE PLACES IN AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, AUSTRIA & SWITZERLAND
On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:26:57 -0800, "Mimi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:22:07 +0000, [email protected]
>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>> prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>[]
>>>> >I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things
>>>> >to
>>>> >do in Amsterdam.
>>>> Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
>>>I don't think that's really anything to do with it. Anne Frank's house
>>>isn't much to see, you're right. However, when I visited the house
>>>(around age 16), I found it poignant because of reading the diary. Yes,
>>>there are always more forgotten victims and survivors than ones who are
>>>remembered, but the point of contact, the focus on one individual, can
>>>be valuable to some people- I certainly got something out of it.
>>>Similarly, when I visited Freud's house in Vienna. It's not much to see
>>>either. Most of his belongings are at his house in London- there's not
>>>that much of interest unless you are fascinated in every aspect of Freud
>>>(which I'm not.) I did get something out of being there though. Even
>>>typing now, I still remember the way I was quietly moved. Some people
>>>react that way, some people don't. It has nothing to do with your
>>>religion or whether or not you lost relatives in the war IMO.
>>>I've never revisited the house on subsequent visits to Amsterdam though-
>>>whereas I've been to the Rijksmuseum several times...
>> I've only been to Anne Frank's house once, to accompany a visiting
>> German friend.
>Martin, have you read Anne Frank's diary?
Yes.
--
Martin
http://tinyurl.com/8x2pz
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:22:07 +0000, [email protected]
>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>> prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:05:17 -0800, Susan Wachob <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>[]
>>>> >I still recommend it as one the most interesting and inportant things
>>>> >to
>>>> >do in Amsterdam.
>>>> Like I said if "you had relatives who were victims or you are Jewish"
>>>I don't think that's really anything to do with it. Anne Frank's house
>>>isn't much to see, you're right. However, when I visited the house
>>>(around age 16), I found it poignant because of reading the diary. Yes,
>>>there are always more forgotten victims and survivors than ones who are
>>>remembered, but the point of contact, the focus on one individual, can
>>>be valuable to some people- I certainly got something out of it.
>>>Similarly, when I visited Freud's house in Vienna. It's not much to see
>>>either. Most of his belongings are at his house in London- there's not
>>>that much of interest unless you are fascinated in every aspect of Freud
>>>(which I'm not.) I did get something out of being there though. Even
>>>typing now, I still remember the way I was quietly moved. Some people
>>>react that way, some people don't. It has nothing to do with your
>>>religion or whether or not you lost relatives in the war IMO.
>>>I've never revisited the house on subsequent visits to Amsterdam though-
>>>whereas I've been to the Rijksmuseum several times...
>> I've only been to Anne Frank's house once, to accompany a visiting
>> German friend.
>Martin, have you read Anne Frank's diary?
Yes.
--
Martin
http://tinyurl.com/8x2pz
