Mxsmanic

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    > Incidentally, there was a story in one of the English papers this week - I
    > think it was Tuesday's Guardian (www.guardian.co.uk) - that the cemetery's
    > management want Morrison's tomb moved because it attracts what they
    > consider to be unseemly behaviour.

People have wanted to move that grave for years, but it hasn't happened
yet. The "management" is the city of Paris. Relatives of nearby dead
people also would like to see it moved.

I don't understand why it attracts such attention. Many of Jim's fans
seem to have been born long after he died. Odd that the building where
he died seems not to attract much attention.

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barney

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:

    > [email protected] writes:
    >
    > > Incidentally, there was a story in one of the English papers this
    > > week - I think it was Tuesday's Guardian (www.guardian.co.uk) - that
    > > the cemetery's management want Morrison's tomb moved because it
    > > attracts what they consider to be unseemly behaviour.
    >
    > People have wanted to move that grave for years, but it hasn't happened
    > yet.

Yes, I pretty much got that impression from the story. It might have been
a slow news day - it was just after a UK holiday, after all. (Holidays are
difficult for news editors because staples of the news agenda, notably
Parliament and the courts, aren't active.)

    > I don't understand why it attracts such attention. Many of Jim's fans
    > seem to have been born long after he died.

I'm not sure that's a disqualification from fandom: I think The Doors are
great, though I only first heard their music long after his death. But,
while it would be mildly interesting to see his tomb if one was in the
area, and drunken debauchery is a fine thing in my book, I don't see any
need to combine the two.

Tim Kroesen

I saw Morrison and the Doors many years ago: if you're a JM fan you
should check out what Michael Glabicki, singer of the now defunct (I
think since he left) band Rusted Root. I saw them at Kent State U about
Three Years ago and during a few tunes Glabicki made my hair stand on
end with his vocal similarities to Morrison in concert. Downright
spooky!

Tim K

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    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:
    > > [email protected] writes:
    > >
    > > > Incidentally, there was a story in one of the English papers this
    > > > week - I think it was Tuesday's Guardian (www.guardian.co.uk) -
that
    > > > the cemetery's management want Morrison's tomb moved because it
    > > > attracts what they consider to be unseemly behaviour.
    > >
    > > People have wanted to move that grave for years, but it hasn't
happened
    > > yet.
    > Yes, I pretty much got that impression from the story. It might have
been
    > a slow news day - it was just after a UK holiday, after all. (Holidays
are
    > difficult for news editors because staples of the news agenda, notably
    > Parliament and the courts, aren't active.)
    > > I don't understand why it attracts such attention. Many of Jim's
fans
    > > seem to have been born long after he died.
    > I'm not sure that's a disqualification from fandom: I think The Doors
are
    > great, though I only first heard their music long after his death.
But,
    > while it would be mildly interesting to see his tomb if one was in the
    > area, and drunken debauchery is a fine thing in my book, I don't see
any
    > need to combine the two.

Steve C .

I know this is somewhat off topic, but I too have some comments about
Jim Morrison. we went to his gravesite several years ago and there
were about 15 teenagers hanging around. they were just kind of
standing around and socializing. There was a police woman there that
actually tried to stop me from taking pictures of the grave marker and
the folks that were standing around. She told me in French that I
couldn't take pictures and I said something like "you've got to be
kidding me?"

when the local kids heard I was an American a couple of them asked me
if I knew Jim Morrison (probably saw I was about the right age and
think everyone in America knows everyone famous I guess). told them
that no, I didn't know Morrison but had been to a concert in San
Francisco at Winterland and the one at Dinner Key auditorium since
I'm a Florida native from south Florida and would often go to Miami
and Ft. Lauderdale to see concerts. I wasn't a huge fan of the Doors
since Morrison was drunk at the concerts I had attended and songs
would just go on and on while he improvised (not very well either) but
I was kind of a concert junkie. I didn't want to bring the Paris kids
down too much since they seemed to have an illusion of the Doors that
was interesting, but I don't think they knew what it was like to
attend a concert where someone is drunk and not functioning very well
and that's the last memory of someone they seemed to worship.

One thing that has amazed me over the years is the account of what
went on during the Dinner Key concert. I bet everyone has a differing
opinion of what went down, but what I saw was a guy that was
staggering drunk and started getting obnoxious to the fans and talking
back and forth with them (sometimes withe the microphone others times
just yelling at folks). putting folks down and all. a bunch of people
started leaving after he started his obnoxious drunk behavior and
quite frankly the concert was really not that good and was getting
kind of boring. some of the folks in the back started booing and
yelling for him to play some damn music and shut up talking. also
started calling him names and the whole thing was just getting out of
hand. on a scale of 1 to 10, I would say the concert was a 2.

As far as exposing himself I didn't see him do that. I saw what I
would say was feigning exposing himself or kind of teasing like he
would but never saw him actually do it. could have been that I was too
far away since I was about half way from the stage. I was surprised
as many others during that time that he was up on charges for indecent
exposure and profanity. everyone used profanity in those days (should
have seen Janis Joplin in Jacksonville and West Palm Beach) but it
wasn't really all that big a deal except that for those times there
were police around that were working security and always got the
feeling someone could get busted for cursing over a microphone but
didn't really see it. probably would have caused a riot if they did.

so some trivia from someone that saw the Doors live. loved the music
on tapes back then and even now, but the music on the radio and the
live performances were quite different and not necessarily for the
better in the late 60s.

By the way, years ago there was a bust of Jim Morrison on the grave
marker that was removed. wonder what happened to it? there seemed to
be lots of graffiti on everything around the site but found that much
of it was cleaned up (somewhat) a few years ago. for those that
haven't been to the site, it's kind of back behind another tomb (or
whatever you call the enclosure) and is really quite a small area.
just look for the kids and you'll find it.


steve


On Thu, 6 May 2004 13:36:56 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    >[email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:
    >> [email protected] writes:
    >>
    >> > Incidentally, there was a story in one of the English papers this
    >> > week - I think it was Tuesday's Guardian (www.guardian.co.uk) - that
    >> > the cemetery's management want Morrison's tomb moved because it
    >> > attracts what they consider to be unseemly behaviour.
    >>
    >> People have wanted to move that grave for years, but it hasn't happened
    >> yet.
    >Yes, I pretty much got that impression from the story. It might have been
    >a slow news day - it was just after a UK holiday, after all. (Holidays are
    >difficult for news editors because staples of the news agenda, notably
    >Parliament and the courts, aren't active.)
    >> I don't understand why it attracts such attention. Many of Jim's fans
    >> seem to have been born long after he died.
    >I'm not sure that's a disqualification from fandom: I think The Doors are
    >great, though I only first heard their music long after his death. But,
    >while it would be mildly interesting to see his tomb if one was in the
    >area, and drunken debauchery is a fine thing in my book, I don't see any
    >need to combine the two.

Mxsmanic

Steve C. <> writes:

    > She told me in French that I
    > couldn't take pictures and I said something like "you've got to be
    > kidding me?"

Technically you need permission from the city to take pictures in a
cemetery.

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    > Steve C. <> writes:
    > > She told me in French that I
    > > couldn't take pictures and I said something like "you've got to be
    > > kidding me?"
    > Technically you need permission from the city to take pictures in a
    > cemetery.
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I visited JM's grave also in 1999 and there were 2 police officers guarding
it at that time. They were standing a few yards away and chatting to each
other and didn't say anything to us or object to me taking a photograph.
However, just after we walked away another couple came and the lady bent
down (I think just to touch the grave, but possibly trying to take a small
stone I couldn't tell), the guards came straight over to them and told them
to leave.

Anne Marie

Mxsmanic

KK Cat writes:

    > I visited JM's grave also in 1999 and there were 2 police officers guarding
    > it at that time. They were standing a few yards away and chatting to each
    > other and didn't say anything to us or object to me taking a photograph.
    > However, just after we walked away another couple came and the lady bent
    > down (I think just to touch the grave, but possibly trying to take a small
    > stone I couldn't tell), the guards came straight over to them and told them
    > to leave.

JM's grave is a special case because it has been so frequently
vandalized. It costs a lot to have the continuous guard and I think it
would be really nice if someone just moved his remains somewhere else
where the kiddies can play freely. He seems to be more popular dead
than alive. I suppose he can't get drunk now that he's dead.

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