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Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic

Old Feb 15th 2007, 11:18 pm
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PJ O'Donovan
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Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic

Published 02/16/2007


"It takes a lot more integrity, character, and courage to be a
conservative than it does to be a liberal. That's because at its most
basic level, liberalism is nothing more than childlike emotionalism
applied to adult issues.

Going to war is mean, so we shouldn't do it. That person is poor and
it would be nice to give him money, so the government should do it.
Somebody wants to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or wants to
come into the U.S. illegally and it would be mean to say, "no," so we
should let them. I am nice because I care about global warming! Those
people want to kill us? But, don't they know we're nice? If they did,
they would like us! Bill has more toys, money than Harry, so take half
of Bill's money and give it to Harry.




The only exception to this rule is for people who aren't liberals.
They're racists, bigots, homophobes, Nazis, fascists, etc., etc., etc.
They might as well just say that conservatives have "cooties" for
disagreeing with them, because there really isn't any more thought or
reasoning that goes into it than that.

Now, that's not to say that conservatives never make emotion based
arguments or that emotion based arguments are always wrong. But, when
you try to deal with complex, real world issues, using little more
than simplistic emotionalism that's primarily designed to make the
people advocating it feel good rather than to deal with problems, it
can, and often has had disastrous consequences. Liberals never seem to
learn from this.

Why don't they learn anything from failed liberal policies? Because
there is nothing underpinning them other than feelings and so even
when they don't work, their good intentions are treated, by other
liberals at least, as more important than the results of their
actions.

Just to name one example of many, look at Vietnam. South Vietnam was
policing its own country and holding off aggression from the North
with the help of the United States. But, people get hurt in wars, so
wars are bad. As a result of thinking that went no deeper than that,
liberals in Congress cut off the aid and air support we promised the
South Vietnamese. The result?

The conquest of South Vietnam, a holocaust in Cambodia, millions dead
and in prison camps, another million boat people, a crisis of
confidence in America, and our country's reputation around the world
was left in tatters, which led to a revolution in Nicaragua, the
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and a lack of faith in the U.S.
military which wasn't truly restored until Operation Desert Storm.

So, we're talking about one of the most shameful and damaging mistakes
in American history. Yet, the left is pushing to do the same thing in
Iraq, despite the fact that catastrophic consequences would surely
also follow a U.S. retreat in that country.

But, this isn't just about foreign policy. Look at Lyndon Johnson's
"war on poverty," which did nothing to reduce the poverty rate despite
the trillions that were spent; however, it did help drive the
illegitimacy rate among black Americans from 22 percent in 1960 to 70%
in 2005.

You could go on and on with these sort of examples -- rent control,
which causes housing shortages, the minimum wage, which costs poor
people jobs, the liberal insistence on putting "making nice at the
U.N." above looking out for American interests. That's what happens
when you make decisions based on emotion and wanting people to like
you, rather than using logic and doing the right thing.

Unlike liberals, conservatives tend to be primarily concerned with
pragmatism, not niceties. This is one of the biggest reasons that
conservatives have such a healthy respect for the traditions and
institutions that have been proven to work over time and such contempt
for those that don't, like the United Nations and the federal
government.


Does that mean conservatives are opposed to change? No, not at all,
but there is a great reluctance to tinker with ideas and concepts that
have proven successful time and time again throughout history, because
the more they're changed, the more likely they are not to work.

Moreover, in Thomas Sowell's immortal words, conservatives believe
that, "There are no solutions; there are only trade-offs." Because of
this, conservatives regularly do something that liberals seldom do:
they consider the long-term consequences of their policies.

Sometimes in politics, that's a tough duty. It's always easier to say,
"We're going to use someone else's tax money to give you this right
now," than it is to say, "We're going to keep government out of your
way and let you do this for yourself." But, that's the path
conservatives have chosen for themselves. They're willing to be
attacked and called, in some form or fashion, "mean" in order to
advocate policies that are good for the country.

In the end, that's what liberalism versus conservatism all comes down
to: sappy, feel good emotionalism that sounds appealing, but doesn't
work versus doing things the right way, even when it's not easy."
 
Old Feb 16th 2007, 12:31 am
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic

Yes, I can get quite emotional about:
Warrentless spying on your neighbours.
Lies about WMD causing thousands more American dead.
Traitors in the White House betraying CIA agents.
Ill-planned wars.
Total failure of Homeland Security and FEMA.
Whats not to get emotional about?


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Old Feb 16th 2007, 3:50 am
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"Pajamas O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
[email protected] om...

> Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
<snip>
>
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Old Feb 16th 2007, 6:56 am
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<< Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
<snip>

PeeJay>>




<Feb 10, 2007
Associated Press

SHEBOYGAN, Wis. - About 40 tons of cow intestines and bones spilled
onto a major highway after a truck driver became distracted by his
digital music player and his semitrailer tipped over, officials
said...

Just another infantile non sequitur from ASScl>


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child- miserable, as all
spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined,
despotic
and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats."
---P.J. O'Rourke
 
Old Feb 16th 2007, 7:14 am
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"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
[email protected] m...
>
> << Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
> <snip>
> Feb 10, 2007
> Associated Press
>
> SHEBOYGAN, Wis. - About 40 tons of cow intestines and bones spilled
> onto a major highway after a truck driver became distracted by his
> digital music player and his semitrailer tipped over, officials
> said...
>
> Just another infantile non sequitur from ASScl>

OK, since you insist.

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Old Feb 16th 2007, 8:26 am
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:

>Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
>
>Published 02/16/2007
>
>
>
...

>So, we're talking about one of the most shameful and damaging mistakes
>in American history. Yet, the left is pushing to do the same thing in
>Iraq, despite the fact that catastrophic consequences would surely
>also follow a U.S. retreat in that country.
>
>
>
A 4-month objective has turned into a 4-year quagmire and you want to
call it a LIBERAL mistake?

ROTFL. A LIBERAL **** up is exactly what it is
 
Old Feb 16th 2007, 8:48 am
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-Ralph
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:26:11 +1100, B J Foster <[email protected]>
wrote:

>PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>
>>Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
>>
>>Published 02/16/2007
>>
>>
>>
>...
>
>>So, we're talking about one of the most shameful and damaging mistakes
>>in American history. Yet, the left is pushing to do the same thing in
>>Iraq, despite the fact that catastrophic consequences would surely
>>also follow a U.S. retreat in that country.
>>
>>
>>
>A 4-month objective has turned into a 4-year quagmire and you want to
>call it a LIBERAL mistake?
>
>ROTFL. A LIBERAL **** up is exactly what it is

That reply is really gonna confuse the Americans ;-)

Now this thread is ****ed up, but a good illustration as to why North
American politics don't translate well to the Australian vernacular
where "Liberal" has quite a different meaning
 
Old Feb 16th 2007, 9:08 am
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B J Foster
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ralph wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:26:11 +1100, B J Foster <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
>>>
>>>Published 02/16/2007
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>...
>>
>>
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>>>So, we're talking about one of the most shameful and damaging mistakes
>>>in American history. Yet, the left is pushing to do the same thing in
>>>Iraq, despite the fact that catastrophic consequences would surely
>>>also follow a U.S. retreat in that country.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>A 4-month objective has turned into a 4-year quagmire and you want to
>>call it a LIBERAL mistake?
>>
>>ROTFL. A LIBERAL **** up is exactly what it is
>>
>>
>
>That reply is really gonna confuse the Americans ;-)
>
>Now this thread is ****ed up, but a good illustration as to why North
>American politics don't translate well to the Australian vernacular
>where "Liberal" has quite a different meaning
>
>

You're right, you need to explain the minutiae to some of these people -
like the difference between Baathists and Jihadists, for example.

Anyway, I mean that the conservatives had *liberally* ****ed up.
 
Old Feb 16th 2007, 11:38 pm
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:31:20 -0500, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:

>PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>> Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
>
>Yes, I can get quite emotional about:
>Warrentless spying on your neighbours.
>Lies about WMD causing thousands more American dead.
>Traitors in the White House betraying CIA agents.
>Ill-planned wars.
>Total failure of Homeland Security and FEMA.
>Whats not to get emotional about?

Ha! Good one. [Subject line unframed.]
 
Old Feb 17th 2007, 2:44 am
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:

> Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
>
> Published 02/16/2007
>
>
> "It takes a lot more integrity, character, and courage to be a
> conservative than it does to be a liberal. That's because at its most
> basic level, liberalism is nothing more than childlike emotionalism
> applied to adult issues.
> .....

Bollocks.
Liberalism is about believing in the power of individuals, not the
power of the state. Liberalism is the exact opposite of communism, it
believes in relatively free markets and less interference from
government.

Liberalism allows individuals to take responsibility for their own
actions, allows innovation and provides individual liberty and freedom.

Conservatism is about growing the power of the state, helping big
business and reducing the oppertunities and freedoms of the individual.
Conservatism is about control of the population by the ultra-rich. It
is a similar model to communism in the old USSR, where the well
connected elite had all the power and the general population were
denied basic choice or freedoms.
 
Old Feb 17th 2007, 3:10 am
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blue_velvet wrote:

> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>
>
>>Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
>>
>>Published 02/16/2007
>>
>>
>>"It takes a lot more integrity, character, and courage to be a
>>conservative than it does to be a liberal. That's because at its most
>>basic level, liberalism is nothing more than childlike emotionalism
>>applied to adult issues.
>>.....
>
>
> Bollocks.
> Liberalism is about believing in the power of individuals, not the
> power of the state. Liberalism is the exact opposite of communism, it
> believes in relatively free markets and less interference from
> government.
>
> Liberalism allows individuals to take responsibility for their own
> actions, allows innovation and provides individual liberty and freedom.
>
> Conservatism is about growing the power of the state, helping big
> business and reducing the oppertunities and freedoms of the individual.
> Conservatism is about control of the population by the ultra-rich. It
> is a similar model to communism in the old USSR, where the well
> connected elite had all the power and the general population were
> denied basic choice or freedoms.

The better your education, the more liberal you become.

--
B3
=Why does the President not represent the will and wishes of the
majority of the US people?
Why do members of congress not represent the will and wishes
of the majority of their constituents?
What does the word "representative" mean to them?
Do we no longer elect represenatives, but a feudal system?
People become more liberal as their world knowledge, education and
literacy levels rise. Ignorance is not a virtue, it's a disgrace.
 
Old Feb 17th 2007, 4:19 am
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<The better your education, the more liberal you become.

Larsensattack>


Exit poll education data from the 2004 election does not support
the typical leftist"s anecdote that those who do not support their
unworkable agenda are less intelligent idiots unless they try to
establish a convolution that the incidence of idiots increases in
direct proportion to increases in both education and income increases
in an inverse relation to the level of education.

The Gore Bush figures in 2000 were even more skewed in Bush's favor
relative to
income and education showing the left's core support among the less
educated and less affluent..

Kerry

No High School 49%( Bush) 50%(Kerry)

H.S. Graduate 52% 47%

Some College 54% 46%

College Graduate 52% 46%

2004 election results www.cnn.com

Income extremes:

BUSH KERRY

Under $15,000 36% 63%

$100-150,000 57% 42%

Your forte seems to be a consistent habit of getting things ass
backwards.
 
Old Feb 17th 2007, 4:41 am
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Solomon O'Cohen wrote:

> <The better your education, the more liberal you become.
>
> Larsensattack>
>
>
> Exit poll education data from the 2004 election does not support
> the typical leftist"s anecdote that those who do not support their
> unworkable agenda are less intelligent idiots unless they try to
> establish a convolution that the incidence of idiots increases in
> direct proportion to increases in both education and income increases
> in an inverse relation to the level of education.

I rest my case. You do not know the difference between ignorance
and intelligence. The figures you posted also were from the
same polls that showed Gore winning??

They also stand completely at odds with the Retro vs Metro
site which shows Blue States have all the better educated
folk plus the bulk of scientists and Nobel nominees and
preizewinners.


>
> The Gore Bush figures in 2000 were even more skewed in Bush's favor
> relative to
> income and education showing the left's core support among the less
> educated and less affluent..
>
> Kerry
>
> No High School 49%( Bush) 50%(Kerry)
>
> H.S. Graduate 52% 47%
>
> Some College 54% 46%
>
> College Graduate 52% 46%
>
> 2004 election results www.cnn.com
>
> Income extremes:
>
> BUSH KERRY
>
> Under $15,000 36% 63%
>
> $100-150,000 57% 42%
>
> Your forte seems to be a consistent habit of getting things ass
> backwards.

Your poll seems to show that the Dems had far greater support
in the Red States than was apparent in the election results.
Hmm, that danged Diebold equipment again...

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B3
=Why does the President not represent the will and wishes of the
majority of the US people?
Why do members of congress not represent the will and wishes
of the majority of their constituents?
What does the word "representative" mean to them?
Do we no longer elect representatives, but a feudal system?
People become more liberal as their world knowledge, education and
literacy levels rise. Ignorance is not a virtue, it's a disgrace.
 
Old Feb 17th 2007, 5:33 am
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Let is be knownst that on Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:44:15 -0600,
"blue_velvet" <[email protected]> writted:

>PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>
>> Liberal emotion vs. Conservative logic
>>
>> Published 02/16/2007
>>
>>
>> "It takes a lot more integrity, character, and courage to be a
>> conservative than it does to be a liberal. That's because at its most
>> basic level, liberalism is nothing more than childlike emotionalism
>> applied to adult issues.
>> .....
>
>Bollocks.
>Liberalism is about believing in the power of individuals, not the
>power of the state. Liberalism is the exact opposite of communism, it
>believes in relatively free markets and less interference from
>government.
>
>Liberalism allows individuals to take responsibility for their own
>actions, allows innovation and provides individual liberty and freedom.
>
>Conservatism is about growing the power of the state, helping big
>business and reducing the oppertunities and freedoms of the individual.
>Conservatism is about control of the population by the ultra-rich. It
>is a similar model to communism in the old USSR, where the well
>connected elite had all the power and the general population were
>denied basic choice or freedoms.

Well said.
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