Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
Aug 27th 2004, 5:45 am
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Re: Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
Xavier writes:
> In Europe, it's quite usual to speak several languages because at a
> several-hours drive they speak another language, sure, or at least
> understand what someone is telling you....
In southern Europe, it's rare to see anyone who is fluent in anything
beyond his native language.
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> In Europe, it's quite usual to speak several languages because at a
> several-hours drive they speak another language, sure, or at least
> understand what someone is telling you....
In southern Europe, it's rare to see anyone who is fluent in anything
beyond his native language.
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Aug 27th 2004, 6:52 am
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Re: Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
I don't agree. Specially if you talk to a young.
In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
other language.
If you try to speak Spanish, French or any other language in any country,
problably not everybody speaks them fluently, although I'm sure you'll would
find someone fluent enough to keep a conversation. And even better if you
can speak a little French, Italian or Spanish, then you will have no
barriers travelling in Europe.
As I said in another post, I prefer to speak poorly 4 languages (as I do)
rather than only one, although I speak it perfect.
In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
other language.
If you try to speak Spanish, French or any other language in any country,
problably not everybody speaks them fluently, although I'm sure you'll would
find someone fluent enough to keep a conversation. And even better if you
can speak a little French, Italian or Spanish, then you will have no
barriers travelling in Europe.
As I said in another post, I prefer to speak poorly 4 languages (as I do)
rather than only one, although I speak it perfect.
Aug 27th 2004, 7:32 am
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Re: Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:52:03 +0200, "Xavier"
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>I don't agree. Specially if you talk to a young.
You don't agree with what?
A young what?
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't agree. Specially if you talk to a young.
You don't agree with what?
A young what?
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Aug 27th 2004, 1:31 pm
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Re: Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
Xavier writes:
> I don't agree. Specially if you talk to a young.
Young is an adjective, not a noun.
> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
> other language.
I have had customers from Spain who spoke quite good French, and they
were more than old enough to remember those days.
The problem is not any inability to leave the country; it's a lack of
motivation to learn foreign languages, which is common to all Latin
countries and indeed prevalent throughout southern Europe. Part of a
general lack of motivation to make an effort to do anything, actually.
> If you try to speak Spanish, French or any other language in any country,
> problably not everybody speaks them fluently ...
If I try to speak English in the Netherlands, invariably there will be
someone standing within earshot who is fluent in the language, often so
much so that it's hard to tell whether he is Dutch or English.
> As I said in another post, I prefer to speak poorly 4 languages (as I do)
> rather than only one, although I speak it perfect.
Jack of all trades, master of none. It's a personal choice.
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> I don't agree. Specially if you talk to a young.
Young is an adjective, not a noun.
> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
> other language.
I have had customers from Spain who spoke quite good French, and they
were more than old enough to remember those days.
The problem is not any inability to leave the country; it's a lack of
motivation to learn foreign languages, which is common to all Latin
countries and indeed prevalent throughout southern Europe. Part of a
general lack of motivation to make an effort to do anything, actually.
> If you try to speak Spanish, French or any other language in any country,
> problably not everybody speaks them fluently ...
If I try to speak English in the Netherlands, invariably there will be
someone standing within earshot who is fluent in the language, often so
much so that it's hard to tell whether he is Dutch or English.
> As I said in another post, I prefer to speak poorly 4 languages (as I do)
> rather than only one, although I speak it perfect.
Jack of all trades, master of none. It's a personal choice.
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Aug 27th 2004, 8:07 pm
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Re: Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:31:25 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Xavier writes:
>> I don't agree. Specially if you talk to a young.
>Young is an adjective, not a noun.
>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>> other language.
>I have had customers from Spain who spoke quite good French, and they
>were more than old enough to remember those days.
>The problem is not any inability to leave the country; it's a lack of
>motivation to learn foreign languages, which is common to all Latin
>countries and indeed prevalent throughout southern Europe. Part of a
>general lack of motivation to make an effort to do anything, actually.
A gross over generalisation or just your prejudice showing?
A lot of the European aerospace industry is located in southern
Europe, Toulouse,Turin, Milan, Rome, Cannes, Friedrichshafen, Munich
etc. all the staff I have worked with speak English and most are hard
working.
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>Xavier writes:
>> I don't agree. Specially if you talk to a young.
>Young is an adjective, not a noun.
>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>> other language.
>I have had customers from Spain who spoke quite good French, and they
>were more than old enough to remember those days.
>The problem is not any inability to leave the country; it's a lack of
>motivation to learn foreign languages, which is common to all Latin
>countries and indeed prevalent throughout southern Europe. Part of a
>general lack of motivation to make an effort to do anything, actually.
A gross over generalisation or just your prejudice showing?
A lot of the European aerospace industry is located in southern
Europe, Toulouse,Turin, Milan, Rome, Cannes, Friedrichshafen, Munich
etc. all the staff I have worked with speak English and most are hard
working.
Aug 27th 2004, 8:13 pm
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[email protected] writes:
> A gross over generalisation or just your prejudice showing?
Neither.
> A lot of the European aerospace industry is located in southern
> Europe, Toulouse,Turin, Milan, Rome, Cannes, Friedrichshafen, Munich
> etc. all the staff I have worked with speak English and most are hard
> working.
What percentage of the European economy is represented by this industry?
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> A gross over generalisation or just your prejudice showing?
Neither.
> A lot of the European aerospace industry is located in southern
> Europe, Toulouse,Turin, Milan, Rome, Cannes, Friedrichshafen, Munich
> etc. all the staff I have worked with speak English and most are hard
> working.
What percentage of the European economy is represented by this industry?
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Aug 27th 2004, 8:36 pm
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:13:01 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] writes:
>> A gross over generalisation or just your prejudice showing?
>Neither.
>> A lot of the European aerospace industry is located in southern
>> Europe, Toulouse,Turin, Milan, Rome, Cannes, Friedrichshafen, Munich
>> etc. all the staff I have worked with speak English and most are hard
>> working.
>What percentage of the European economy is represented by this industry?
Just the space segment employs more than 100,000 people.
Airbus Industrie produces more than half the worlds civilian aircraft.
Arianespace launches most of the world's non military satellites.
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>[email protected] writes:
>> A gross over generalisation or just your prejudice showing?
>Neither.
>> A lot of the European aerospace industry is located in southern
>> Europe, Toulouse,Turin, Milan, Rome, Cannes, Friedrichshafen, Munich
>> etc. all the staff I have worked with speak English and most are hard
>> working.
>What percentage of the European economy is represented by this industry?
Just the space segment employs more than 100,000 people.
Airbus Industrie produces more than half the worlds civilian aircraft.
Arianespace launches most of the world's non military satellites.
Aug 27th 2004, 8:51 pm
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[email protected] writes:
> Just the space segment employs more than 100,000 people.
One person in 6000, in other words.
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> Just the space segment employs more than 100,000 people.
One person in 6000, in other words.
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Aug 27th 2004, 9:21 pm
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:51:52 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] writes:
>> Just the space segment employs more than 100,000 people.
>One person in 6000, in other words.
Try again using percentage of people employed in EU, not number in
population.
In 2002
407 826 people were *directly* employed by European aerospace
531,000 people ditto USA aerospace.
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>[email protected] writes:
>> Just the space segment employs more than 100,000 people.
>One person in 6000, in other words.
Try again using percentage of people employed in EU, not number in
population.
In 2002
407 826 people were *directly* employed by European aerospace
531,000 people ditto USA aerospace.
Sep 2nd 2004, 9:24 pm
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:31:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>> other language.
But they *did* have schools in Spain though.
I didn't realise pensioners had to stay in Spain since 1960. ;-)
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>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>> other language.
But they *did* have schools in Spain though.
I didn't realise pensioners had to stay in Spain since 1960. ;-)
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Sep 2nd 2004, 9:31 pm
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Re: Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:24:49 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:31:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>>> other language.
>But they *did* have schools in Spain though.
>I didn't realise pensioners had to stay in Spain since 1960. ;-)
It's a bit difficult for expatriate crooks to just come and go :-)
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:31:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>>> other language.
>But they *did* have schools in Spain though.
>I didn't realise pensioners had to stay in Spain since 1960. ;-)
It's a bit difficult for expatriate crooks to just come and go :-)
Sep 2nd 2004, 9:38 pm
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Re: Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:31:53 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:24:49 +0200, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:31:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>>>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>>>> other language.
>>But they *did* have schools in Spain though.
>>I didn't realise pensioners had to stay in Spain since 1960. ;-)
>
> It's a bit difficult for expatriate crooks to just come and go :-)
:)
Are Ali Fraser and Moxey still out there?
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> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:24:49 +0200, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:31:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>>>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>>>> other language.
>>But they *did* have schools in Spain though.
>>I didn't realise pensioners had to stay in Spain since 1960. ;-)
>
> It's a bit difficult for expatriate crooks to just come and go :-)
:)
Are Ali Fraser and Moxey still out there?
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Sep 2nd 2004, 9:59 pm
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Re: Let's talk about langages (Advice/Help)
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:38:07 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:31:53 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:24:49 +0200, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:31:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>>>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>>>>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>>>>> other language.
>>>But they *did* have schools in Spain though.
>>>I didn't realise pensioners had to stay in Spain since 1960. ;-)
>>
>> It's a bit difficult for expatriate crooks to just come and go :-)
>:)
>Are Ali Fraser and Moxey still out there?
They are probably living in South Africa :-)
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:31:53 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:24:49 +0200, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:31:25 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>>>> In the particular case of Spain, old people have not been allowed to leave
>>>>> the country for more than 40 years, so it's natural they don't speak any
>>>>> other language.
>>>But they *did* have schools in Spain though.
>>>I didn't realise pensioners had to stay in Spain since 1960. ;-)
>>
>> It's a bit difficult for expatriate crooks to just come and go :-)
>:)
>Are Ali Fraser and Moxey still out there?
They are probably living in South Africa :-)
