Let?s go vs Lonely Planet vs Rick Steves
Mar 19th 2003, 2:56 am
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Re: Let´s go vs Lonely Planet vs Rick Steves
In article ,
[email protected] (peggytex) wrote:
> Rough Guides, Time Out, and Let's Go have the same info on their
> online sites as in the books --which to me is a good thing and helped
> me research my options. Lonely Planet guides are irritating, so i
> bought both Rough Guide and Let's Go Barcelona based on the accuracy
> of what i found on their sites. I lived in Spain in the 70's. I used
> to swear by Frommer's guides -- but i had to return his Barcelona one
> to the bookstore for a refund. Lonely Planet does have an extensive
> message board on their site which is very helpful (and much less
> contentious than this one ...LOL)
Time OUts have been the worst guides I have found for accuracy -- they
give detailed instructions that end up not matching the maps of an area
-- or just send you off on goose chases
[email protected] (peggytex) wrote:
> Rough Guides, Time Out, and Let's Go have the same info on their
> online sites as in the books --which to me is a good thing and helped
> me research my options. Lonely Planet guides are irritating, so i
> bought both Rough Guide and Let's Go Barcelona based on the accuracy
> of what i found on their sites. I lived in Spain in the 70's. I used
> to swear by Frommer's guides -- but i had to return his Barcelona one
> to the bookstore for a refund. Lonely Planet does have an extensive
> message board on their site which is very helpful (and much less
> contentious than this one ...LOL)
Time OUts have been the worst guides I have found for accuracy -- they
give detailed instructions that end up not matching the maps of an area
-- or just send you off on goose chases
Mar 19th 2003, 3:25 am
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OughtFour wrote:
>
> Lets Go is wildly uneven, by topic and by country. For example, we found it
> to be generally unreliable in Italy, except for information about local
> gellateria (which was spot on!).
That's odd; I live in Italy and have often used my Let's Go, Italy to
find lodging, without ever an unpleasant surprise.
Barbara
>
> Lets Go is wildly uneven, by topic and by country. For example, we found it
> to be generally unreliable in Italy, except for information about local
> gellateria (which was spot on!).
That's odd; I live in Italy and have often used my Let's Go, Italy to
find lodging, without ever an unpleasant surprise.
Barbara
Mar 19th 2003, 4:00 am
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Re: Let´s go vs Lonely Planet vs Rick Steves
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:41:20 GMT, "Viktor"
wrote:
>> I´m planning to travel from Turkey to Spain and I need the best guide,
>> what´s your recommendation about the following guides:
>> * Let´s Go Europe
>> * Lonely Planet
>> * Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door 2003
>Make sure you look at them all in a book store. All of those books
>appeal to different audiences. Let's Go books appeal to a younger,
>poorer crowd, especially backpackers. Lonely Planet, as well as
>Rough Guides, offer lots and lots of options for those who like to
>explore all options. Rick Steves' books are very opinionated and
>really only explain what he thinks is worthwhile in a country. I find
>his attitude amusing because he is a complete liberal, and liberals
>tend to want you to do only what they tell you to do.
You obviously haven't read his books very carefully. He constantly
harps on doing your own thing. Unlike the other two books, which are
written by teams of people so they can cover an entire country, Steves
writes his stuff himself (with editorial help, I'm sure) and tends to
write only abbut the places he's actually been. The Steves books are
totally different animals from the others.
As far as worthwhileness of sites and events, almost all travel books
editorialize one way or another. While we don't travel to his books,
we have read them and in general, where our travels have overlapped
his, have pretty much agreed with his comments, including a few which
have, um, irritated, some people.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>> I´m planning to travel from Turkey to Spain and I need the best guide,
>> what´s your recommendation about the following guides:
>> * Let´s Go Europe
>> * Lonely Planet
>> * Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door 2003
>Make sure you look at them all in a book store. All of those books
>appeal to different audiences. Let's Go books appeal to a younger,
>poorer crowd, especially backpackers. Lonely Planet, as well as
>Rough Guides, offer lots and lots of options for those who like to
>explore all options. Rick Steves' books are very opinionated and
>really only explain what he thinks is worthwhile in a country. I find
>his attitude amusing because he is a complete liberal, and liberals
>tend to want you to do only what they tell you to do.
You obviously haven't read his books very carefully. He constantly
harps on doing your own thing. Unlike the other two books, which are
written by teams of people so they can cover an entire country, Steves
writes his stuff himself (with editorial help, I'm sure) and tends to
write only abbut the places he's actually been. The Steves books are
totally different animals from the others.
As far as worthwhileness of sites and events, almost all travel books
editorialize one way or another. While we don't travel to his books,
we have read them and in general, where our travels have overlapped
his, have pretty much agreed with his comments, including a few which
have, um, irritated, some people.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Mar 19th 2003, 4:02 am
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
wrote:
>geraint wrote:
>> > * Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door 2003
>> OK if you're from the US... Though my prejudice against anyone called Rick
>> does influence me here :-)
It's because of that movie with Bogart and Bergman, right?
>Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
>get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
>like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
>student or something....
Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>geraint wrote:
>> > * Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door 2003
>> OK if you're from the US... Though my prejudice against anyone called Rick
>> does influence me here :-)
It's because of that movie with Bogart and Bergman, right?
>Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
>get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
>like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
>student or something....
Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Mar 19th 2003, 10:18 am
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Hatunen wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
> >
>Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
>>get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
>>like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
>>student or something....
>
>
> Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
>
Consider the source.
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
> >
>Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
>>get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
>>like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
>>student or something....
>
>
> Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
>
Consider the source.
Mar 19th 2003, 8:26 pm
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Jenn wrote:
> In article ,
> "Gregory Morrow" wrote:
> > geraint wrote:
> >
> > > > * Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door 2003
> > > OK if you're from the US... Though my prejudice against anyone called
Rick
> > > does influence me here :-)
> >
> >
> > Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at
least
> > get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
> > like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
> > student or something....
> >
> we all know that looking just like you is VERY important
I've not got a teevee show to appear on, dear ;-)
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> In article ,
> "Gregory Morrow" wrote:
> > geraint wrote:
> >
> > > > * Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door 2003
> > > OK if you're from the US... Though my prejudice against anyone called
Rick
> > > does influence me here :-)
> >
> >
> > Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at
least
> > get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
> > like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
> > student or something....
> >
> we all know that looking just like you is VERY important
I've not got a teevee show to appear on, dear ;-)
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Mar 19th 2003, 8:28 pm
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Hatunen wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
> >
> >geraint wrote:
> >
> >> > * Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door 2003
> >> OK if you're from the US... Though my prejudice against anyone called
Rick
> >> does influence me here :-)
> >
> It's because of that movie with Bogart and Bergman, right?
> >Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
> >get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
> >like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
> >student or something....
> Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
His *books* are readable. His teevee show is *unbearable*.
--
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Greg
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
> >
> >geraint wrote:
> >
> >> > * Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door 2003
> >> OK if you're from the US... Though my prejudice against anyone called
Rick
> >> does influence me here :-)
> >
> It's because of that movie with Bogart and Bergman, right?
> >Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
> >get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
> >like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
> >student or something....
> Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
His *books* are readable. His teevee show is *unbearable*.
--
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Greg
Mar 19th 2003, 8:29 pm
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wrote:
> Hatunen wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
> > >
> >Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
> >>get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
> >>like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
> >>student or something....
> >
> >
> > Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
> >
> Consider the source.
Hey, I'm just giving my opinion. What's yours?
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Greg
> Hatunen wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
> > >
> >Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
> >>get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
> >>like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
> >>student or something....
> >
> >
> > Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
> >
> Consider the source.
Hey, I'm just giving my opinion. What's yours?
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Greg
Mar 20th 2003, 7:51 am
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:28:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
wrote:
>Hatunen wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> wrote:
>> >Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
>> >get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
>> >like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
>> >student or something....
>> Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
>His *books* are readable. His teevee show is *unbearable*.
The OP asked about books...
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>Hatunen wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>> wrote:
>> >Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at least
>> >get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and acts
>> >like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
>> >student or something....
>> Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
>His *books* are readable. His teevee show is *unbearable*.
The OP asked about books...
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Mar 20th 2003, 8:15 am
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"Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
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> OughtFour wrote:
> >
> > Lets Go is wildly uneven, by topic and by country. For example, we found
it
> > to be generally unreliable in Italy, except for information about local
> > gellateria (which was spot on!).
Barbara Vaughan replied,
> That's odd; I live in Italy and have often used my Let's Go, Italy to
> find lodging, without ever an unpleasant surprise.
I see that I have inadvertently seemed to say that the current Let's Go
Italy is no good.
I should have made clear that I was describing our experiences with the
edition of the guide that was current more than five years ago. (That same
year we found Lets Go France to be generally reliable, if not always to our
taste).
What I *meant* to say was that the Let's Go series is uneven. Good for
France one year, but not Italy (but good on gelato); good for Italy another;
and who knows, maybe good for Florence but not Naples another year. This is
an inevitable result of its editorial management, with year-to-year
turnover.
I don't mean to single out Let's Go for criticism. I think all guidebooks
have strengths and weaknesses. Understanding their personalities can put
their advice in useful context. If in Let's Go I read an enthusiastic
account of some local food specialty I would be inclined to check it out.
news:[email protected]...
> OughtFour wrote:
> >
> > Lets Go is wildly uneven, by topic and by country. For example, we found
it
> > to be generally unreliable in Italy, except for information about local
> > gellateria (which was spot on!).
Barbara Vaughan replied,
> That's odd; I live in Italy and have often used my Let's Go, Italy to
> find lodging, without ever an unpleasant surprise.
I see that I have inadvertently seemed to say that the current Let's Go
Italy is no good.
I should have made clear that I was describing our experiences with the
edition of the guide that was current more than five years ago. (That same
year we found Lets Go France to be generally reliable, if not always to our
taste).
What I *meant* to say was that the Let's Go series is uneven. Good for
France one year, but not Italy (but good on gelato); good for Italy another;
and who knows, maybe good for Florence but not Naples another year. This is
an inevitable result of its editorial management, with year-to-year
turnover.
I don't mean to single out Let's Go for criticism. I think all guidebooks
have strengths and weaknesses. Understanding their personalities can put
their advice in useful context. If in Let's Go I read an enthusiastic
account of some local food specialty I would be inclined to check it out.
Mar 20th 2003, 1:06 pm
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> >Make sure you look at them all in a book store. All of those books
> >appeal to different audiences. Let's Go books appeal to a younger,
> >poorer crowd, especially backpackers. Lonely Planet, as well as
> >Rough Guides, offer lots and lots of options for those who like to
> >explore all options. Rick Steves' books are very opinionated and
> >really only explain what he thinks is worthwhile in a country. I find
> >his attitude amusing because he is a complete liberal, and liberals
> >tend to want you to do only what they tell you to do.
> You obviously haven't read his books very carefully. He constantly
> harps on doing your own thing. Unlike the other two books, which are
> written by teams of people so they can cover an entire country, Steves
> writes his stuff himself (with editorial help, I'm sure) and tends to
> write only abbut the places he's actually been. The Steves books are
> totally different animals from the others.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I have
read his books on the areas I visited. In the introduction to his books
is the line "But after more than two busy decades of travel writing,
lecturing, and tour guiding, I've developed a sixth sense of what tickles
the traveler's fancy." That is quite presumptuous. He could have more
accurately written that he understands the kind of people who take
guided tours, especially those that are Steves groupies. Also, I've
never understood why you constantly defend his books, as he generally
dimisses Helsinki, and Finland in general, as not worth more than eight
hours of sightseeing.
Viktor
> >appeal to different audiences. Let's Go books appeal to a younger,
> >poorer crowd, especially backpackers. Lonely Planet, as well as
> >Rough Guides, offer lots and lots of options for those who like to
> >explore all options. Rick Steves' books are very opinionated and
> >really only explain what he thinks is worthwhile in a country. I find
> >his attitude amusing because he is a complete liberal, and liberals
> >tend to want you to do only what they tell you to do.
> You obviously haven't read his books very carefully. He constantly
> harps on doing your own thing. Unlike the other two books, which are
> written by teams of people so they can cover an entire country, Steves
> writes his stuff himself (with editorial help, I'm sure) and tends to
> write only abbut the places he's actually been. The Steves books are
> totally different animals from the others.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I have
read his books on the areas I visited. In the introduction to his books
is the line "But after more than two busy decades of travel writing,
lecturing, and tour guiding, I've developed a sixth sense of what tickles
the traveler's fancy." That is quite presumptuous. He could have more
accurately written that he understands the kind of people who take
guided tours, especially those that are Steves groupies. Also, I've
never understood why you constantly defend his books, as he generally
dimisses Helsinki, and Finland in general, as not worth more than eight
hours of sightseeing.
Viktor
Mar 20th 2003, 7:04 pm
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Viktor wrote:
: You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I have
: read his books on the areas I visited. In the introduction to his books
: is the line "But after more than two busy decades of travel writing,
: lecturing, and tour guiding, I've developed a sixth sense of what tickles
: the traveler's fancy." That is quite presumptuous. He could have more
: accurately written that he understands the kind of people who take
: guided tours, especially those that are Steves groupies.
Is it too much to assume that Rick knows what the people who buy his
books are interested in?
: Also, I've
: never understood why you constantly defend his books, as he generally
: dimisses Helsinki, and Finland in general, as not worth more than eight
: hours of sightseeing.
I've lived in Helsinki for well over 10 years and I would be inclined
to agree with Rick. =) Especially in the winter and/or bad weather,
the list of actual tourist attractions, as in places that a tourist
would be impressed by, are few and far between.
Cheers,
--
Jani Patokallio >O._, A jug of wine, a loaf of bread, and Thou!
[email protected] `..' whistling beside me in the darkness. -Khayyám
: You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I have
: read his books on the areas I visited. In the introduction to his books
: is the line "But after more than two busy decades of travel writing,
: lecturing, and tour guiding, I've developed a sixth sense of what tickles
: the traveler's fancy." That is quite presumptuous. He could have more
: accurately written that he understands the kind of people who take
: guided tours, especially those that are Steves groupies.
Is it too much to assume that Rick knows what the people who buy his
books are interested in?
: Also, I've
: never understood why you constantly defend his books, as he generally
: dimisses Helsinki, and Finland in general, as not worth more than eight
: hours of sightseeing.
I've lived in Helsinki for well over 10 years and I would be inclined
to agree with Rick. =) Especially in the winter and/or bad weather,
the list of actual tourist attractions, as in places that a tourist
would be impressed by, are few and far between.
Cheers,
--
Jani Patokallio >O._, A jug of wine, a loaf of bread, and Thou!
[email protected] `..' whistling beside me in the darkness. -Khayyám
Mar 20th 2003, 7:12 pm
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> Is it too much to assume that Rick knows what the people who buy his
> books are interested in?
Or the other way around - the people who buy his book are looking for what's
in them.
> books are interested in?
Or the other way around - the people who buy his book are looking for what's
in them.
Mar 20th 2003, 10:20 pm
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OughtFour wrote:
>
> "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > OughtFour wrote:
> > >
> > > Lets Go is wildly uneven, by topic and by country. For example, we found
> it
> > > to be generally unreliable in Italy, except for information about local
> > > gellateria (which was spot on!).
>
> Barbara Vaughan replied,
> > That's odd; I live in Italy and have often used my Let's Go, Italy to
> > find lodging, without ever an unpleasant surprise.
>
> I see that I have inadvertently seemed to say that the current Let's Go
> Italy is no good.
>
> I should have made clear that I was describing our experiences with the
> edition of the guide that was current more than five years ago.
Actually, the edition I'm still using is from 1998, so it may be the
same edition you were using.
> I don't mean to single out Let's Go for criticism. I think all guidebooks
> have strengths and weaknesses. Understanding their personalities can put
> their advice in useful context. If in Let's Go I read an enthusiastic
> account of some local food specialty I would be inclined to check it out.
It may also depend on what you use the book for. I use Let's Go almost
exclusively for finding cheap lodging. I've never used it for
restaurants. On the low-price end, I just follow my nose; if I want to
splurge on a nice meal, I would maybe look for advice, but not in Let's
Go, which doesn't even attempt to cover the splurge market.
Barbara
>
> "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > OughtFour wrote:
> > >
> > > Lets Go is wildly uneven, by topic and by country. For example, we found
> it
> > > to be generally unreliable in Italy, except for information about local
> > > gellateria (which was spot on!).
>
> Barbara Vaughan replied,
> > That's odd; I live in Italy and have often used my Let's Go, Italy to
> > find lodging, without ever an unpleasant surprise.
>
> I see that I have inadvertently seemed to say that the current Let's Go
> Italy is no good.
>
> I should have made clear that I was describing our experiences with the
> edition of the guide that was current more than five years ago.
Actually, the edition I'm still using is from 1998, so it may be the
same edition you were using.
> I don't mean to single out Let's Go for criticism. I think all guidebooks
> have strengths and weaknesses. Understanding their personalities can put
> their advice in useful context. If in Let's Go I read an enthusiastic
> account of some local food specialty I would be inclined to check it out.
It may also depend on what you use the book for. I use Let's Go almost
exclusively for finding cheap lodging. I've never used it for
restaurants. On the low-price end, I just follow my nose; if I want to
splurge on a nice meal, I would maybe look for advice, but not in Let's
Go, which doesn't even attempt to cover the splurge market.
Barbara
Mar 20th 2003, 11:07 pm
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Hatunen wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:28:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
> >
> >Hatunen wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> wrote:
> >> >Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at
least
> >> >get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and
acts
> >> >like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
> >> >student or something....
> >>
> >> Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
> >>
> >
> >
> >His *books* are readable. His teevee show is *unbearable*.
> The OP asked about books...
Uh oh, Dave! I guess it's that threaded "thread drift" again....!!!
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Greg ;---)
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:28:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
> >
> >Hatunen wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:55:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> >> wrote:
> >> >Besides which, with all that dough don't you think the guy could at
least
> >> >get a decent haircut and a wardrobe consultant? Geez, he looks and
acts
> >> >like a socially retarded and poverty - sticken 40 year - old graduate
> >> >student or something....
> >>
> >> Well, now. There's a well-reasoned comment about his books.
> >>
> >
> >
> >His *books* are readable. His teevee show is *unbearable*.
> The OP asked about books...
Uh oh, Dave! I guess it's that threaded "thread drift" again....!!!
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