Leaving luggage in Florence
Mar 24th 2007, 1:53 am
#16
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Re: Leaving luggage in Florence
David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>Boston is not a good example- the city
>completely overreacted to those electronic
>signs a few months ago, if you remember!
"Overreacted" is putting it mildly
.
Watching it on the news was hilarious, of course if I was struck in the
traffic I might feel alot differently.
My Logan incident was 4yrs ago but today it would be dealt with all the
major drama of an evacuation and the bomb squad doing their thing.
Regards, Walter
..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
>Boston is not a good example- the city
>completely overreacted to those electronic
>signs a few months ago, if you remember!
"Overreacted" is putting it mildly
.Watching it on the news was hilarious, of course if I was struck in the
traffic I might feel alot differently.
My Logan incident was 4yrs ago but today it would be dealt with all the
major drama of an evacuation and the bomb squad doing their thing.
Regards, Walter
..And Paradise Was Lost...like teardrops in the rain...
Mar 24th 2007, 4:55 am
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Re: Leaving luggage in Florence
"Poetic Justice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
>>Oh jeez, don't tell me that kind of
>>paranoia is spreading to Italy too? If a
>>terrorist wants to blow up a train station,
>>they will be perfectly able to do so without
>>resorting to left luggage lockers. That's
>>the sad reality-
>
> I agree, today's bombers (esp suicide) are either going to go for a high
> body count in a station like the ticket queues or more likely on the
> train itself which would also close the Line.
> Plus lockers are usually in some out of the way place and a row of
> lockers would somewhat contain the blast.
>
>>I wish the states wouldn't keep on
>>contributing to this current state of
>>paranoia and fear.
>
> Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> anyway?
>
> Prior to Sept 11 '01 has Europe ever closed and/or removed luggage
> lockers, trash bins, etc?
In March, 1962, we arrived in Paris by train from Belgium. Our train was
late, we missed our connection to Le Havre, and had to stay overnight. The
station (Nord) was like an armed camp. We wanted to leave our large
suitcase in a locker, but were told that the lockers, as well as the left
luggage counter, had been closed. This was a few days before the Evian
agreement between the French and Algerians was signed. Apparently there had
been incidents where plastic explosives had been used in public facilities.
The city was under a curfew the night we were there. As we walked a couple
of blocks to a hotel, we saw only military vehicles and personnel on the
street. I sort of felt like I was on the set of a war movie. A couple of
weeks later we returned to Paris for a few days and found everything
gloriously back to normal.
GG
news:[email protected]...
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
>>Oh jeez, don't tell me that kind of
>>paranoia is spreading to Italy too? If a
>>terrorist wants to blow up a train station,
>>they will be perfectly able to do so without
>>resorting to left luggage lockers. That's
>>the sad reality-
>
> I agree, today's bombers (esp suicide) are either going to go for a high
> body count in a station like the ticket queues or more likely on the
> train itself which would also close the Line.
> Plus lockers are usually in some out of the way place and a row of
> lockers would somewhat contain the blast.
>
>>I wish the states wouldn't keep on
>>contributing to this current state of
>>paranoia and fear.
>
> Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> anyway?
>
> Prior to Sept 11 '01 has Europe ever closed and/or removed luggage
> lockers, trash bins, etc?
In March, 1962, we arrived in Paris by train from Belgium. Our train was
late, we missed our connection to Le Havre, and had to stay overnight. The
station (Nord) was like an armed camp. We wanted to leave our large
suitcase in a locker, but were told that the lockers, as well as the left
luggage counter, had been closed. This was a few days before the Evian
agreement between the French and Algerians was signed. Apparently there had
been incidents where plastic explosives had been used in public facilities.
The city was under a curfew the night we were there. As we walked a couple
of blocks to a hotel, we saw only military vehicles and personnel on the
street. I sort of felt like I was on the set of a war movie. A couple of
weeks later we returned to Paris for a few days and found everything
gloriously back to normal.
GG
Mar 24th 2007, 9:24 am
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Re: Leaving luggage in Florence
"Poetic Justice" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
>>Oh jeez, don't tell me that kind of
>>paranoia is spreading to Italy too? If a
>>terrorist wants to blow up a train station,
>>they will be perfectly able to do so without
>>resorting to left luggage lockers. That's
>>the sad reality-
>
> I agree, today's bombers (esp suicide) are either going to go for a high
> body count in a station like the ticket queues or more likely on the
> train itself which would also close the Line.
> Plus lockers are usually in some out of the way place and a row of
> lockers would somewhat contain the blast.
>
>>I wish the states wouldn't keep on
>>contributing to this current state of
>>paranoia and fear.
>
> Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> anyway?
>
> Prior to Sept 11 '01 has Europe ever closed and/or removed luggage
> lockers, trash bins, etc?
----------------
Yes, in Italy at least after the Bologna blast 1980. Trash bins were
removed in U.K stations already in the IRA era. In Spain I can remember we
had to go through x-ray search to reach the locker area in Barcelona Sants
1989.
news:[email protected]...
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
>>Oh jeez, don't tell me that kind of
>>paranoia is spreading to Italy too? If a
>>terrorist wants to blow up a train station,
>>they will be perfectly able to do so without
>>resorting to left luggage lockers. That's
>>the sad reality-
>
> I agree, today's bombers (esp suicide) are either going to go for a high
> body count in a station like the ticket queues or more likely on the
> train itself which would also close the Line.
> Plus lockers are usually in some out of the way place and a row of
> lockers would somewhat contain the blast.
>
>>I wish the states wouldn't keep on
>>contributing to this current state of
>>paranoia and fear.
>
> Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> anyway?
>
> Prior to Sept 11 '01 has Europe ever closed and/or removed luggage
> lockers, trash bins, etc?
----------------
Yes, in Italy at least after the Bologna blast 1980. Trash bins were
removed in U.K stations already in the IRA era. In Spain I can remember we
had to go through x-ray search to reach the locker area in Barcelona Sants
1989.
Mar 24th 2007, 9:26 am
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Re: Leaving luggage in Florence
Lennart Petersen <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Poetic Justice" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
> > David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
> >
> >>Oh jeez, don't tell me that kind of
> >>paranoia is spreading to Italy too? If a
> >>terrorist wants to blow up a train station,
> >>they will be perfectly able to do so without
> >>resorting to left luggage lockers. That's
> >>the sad reality-
> >
> > I agree, today's bombers (esp suicide) are either going to go for a high
> > body count in a station like the ticket queues or more likely on the
> > train itself which would also close the Line.
> > Plus lockers are usually in some out of the way place and a row of
> > lockers would somewhat contain the blast.
> >
> >>I wish the states wouldn't keep on
> >>contributing to this current state of
> >>paranoia and fear.
> >
> > Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> > Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> > anyway?
> >
> > Prior to Sept 11 '01 has Europe ever closed and/or removed luggage
> > lockers, trash bins, etc?
> ----------------
> Yes, in Italy at least after the Bologna blast 1980. Trash bins were
> removed in U.K stations already in the IRA era.
And they're still removed. It's silly, and serves no worthwhile security
purpose at all.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> "Poetic Justice" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
> > David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
> >
> >>Oh jeez, don't tell me that kind of
> >>paranoia is spreading to Italy too? If a
> >>terrorist wants to blow up a train station,
> >>they will be perfectly able to do so without
> >>resorting to left luggage lockers. That's
> >>the sad reality-
> >
> > I agree, today's bombers (esp suicide) are either going to go for a high
> > body count in a station like the ticket queues or more likely on the
> > train itself which would also close the Line.
> > Plus lockers are usually in some out of the way place and a row of
> > lockers would somewhat contain the blast.
> >
> >>I wish the states wouldn't keep on
> >>contributing to this current state of
> >>paranoia and fear.
> >
> > Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> > Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> > anyway?
> >
> > Prior to Sept 11 '01 has Europe ever closed and/or removed luggage
> > lockers, trash bins, etc?
> ----------------
> Yes, in Italy at least after the Bologna blast 1980. Trash bins were
> removed in U.K stations already in the IRA era.
And they're still removed. It's silly, and serves no worthwhile security
purpose at all.
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Mar 25th 2007, 4:19 am
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Re: Leaving luggage in Florence
"Karen Selwyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How recent is your experience? My understanding is that storage lockers
> are becoming/have become a thing of the past with new security
> regulations.
I must say I've never left luggage in a locker. The lost luggage counters
at major cities are manned.
--
Ian Burton
(Please reply to the Newsgroup)
>
> Ian Burton wrote:
>> "Karen Selwyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Paul Siu <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>We are planning to have a honeymoon in Italy. The first leg of the trip
>>>>will be in Venice. Afterwards, we were planning to take a trip from
>>>>Venice
>>>>to Lucca. I notice that we have to switch trains at Florence. Now
>>>>Florence
>>>>warrants a longer stay, but we rather do it some other time than the
>>>>summer.
>>>
>>>Check to see if your hotel in Venice or in Lucca -- or any other
>>>destination on your trip -- is part of a chain or group of hotels with a
>>>hotel in Florence. If so, try writing to the concierge of the hotel in
>>>Florence and see if you can arrange to leave your luggage there for the
>>>time you'll be in Florence.
>>>
>>>If this isn't the case, you might write to the concierge at your hotels
>>>to see if they can recommend a hotel in Florence that will extend you the
>>>courtesy of leaving your luggage for the day.
>>>
>>>Karen Selwyn
>>
>>
>> Checking luggage at the station has always been safe in my experience.
>
news
[email protected]...> How recent is your experience? My understanding is that storage lockers
> are becoming/have become a thing of the past with new security
> regulations.
I must say I've never left luggage in a locker. The lost luggage counters
at major cities are manned.
--
Ian Burton
(Please reply to the Newsgroup)
>
> Ian Burton wrote:
>> "Karen Selwyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Paul Siu <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>We are planning to have a honeymoon in Italy. The first leg of the trip
>>>>will be in Venice. Afterwards, we were planning to take a trip from
>>>>Venice
>>>>to Lucca. I notice that we have to switch trains at Florence. Now
>>>>Florence
>>>>warrants a longer stay, but we rather do it some other time than the
>>>>summer.
>>>
>>>Check to see if your hotel in Venice or in Lucca -- or any other
>>>destination on your trip -- is part of a chain or group of hotels with a
>>>hotel in Florence. If so, try writing to the concierge of the hotel in
>>>Florence and see if you can arrange to leave your luggage there for the
>>>time you'll be in Florence.
>>>
>>>If this isn't the case, you might write to the concierge at your hotels
>>>to see if they can recommend a hotel in Florence that will extend you the
>>>courtesy of leaving your luggage for the day.
>>>
>>>Karen Selwyn
>>
>>
>> Checking luggage at the station has always been safe in my experience.
>
Mar 25th 2007, 6:24 am
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On 24 Mar, 14:49, [email protected] (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
> >I wish the states wouldn't keep on
> >contributing to this current state of
> >paranoia and fear.
>
> Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> anyway?
states != States
BTW, David, I went swimming in the Arabian/Persian Gulf today - taking
care to avoid being nabbed by Iranians - and I found it cold. I think
Norway is out for swimming for me :-)
B;
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
> >I wish the states wouldn't keep on
> >contributing to this current state of
> >paranoia and fear.
>
> Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> anyway?
states != States
BTW, David, I went swimming in the Arabian/Persian Gulf today - taking
care to avoid being nabbed by Iranians - and I found it cold. I think
Norway is out for swimming for me :-)
B;
Mar 25th 2007, 10:05 pm
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Re: Leaving luggage in Florence
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 24 Mar, 14:49, [email protected] (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> > David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
> > >I wish the states wouldn't keep on
> > >contributing to this current state of
> > >paranoia and fear.
> >
> > Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> > Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> > anyway?
>
> states != States
>
> BTW, David, I went swimming in the Arabian/Persian Gulf today - taking
> care to avoid being nabbed by Iranians - and I found it cold. I think
> Norway is out for swimming for me :-)
I would find Norway cold today too!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On 24 Mar, 14:49, [email protected] (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> > David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:
>
> > >I wish the states wouldn't keep on
> > >contributing to this current state of
> > >paranoia and fear.
> >
> > Italy closed these lockers on Sunday Sept 15 '01.
> > Do you honesty think that the US contributed to that decision in
> > anyway?
>
> states != States
>
> BTW, David, I went swimming in the Arabian/Persian Gulf today - taking
> care to avoid being nabbed by Iranians - and I found it cold. I think
> Norway is out for swimming for me :-)
I would find Norway cold today too!
--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
(don't email yahoo address) usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
