Labour plan to tax us in out sleep
Sep 16th 2006, 6:27 am
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Re: Labour plan to tax us in out sleep
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > But aren't they charging us tax all ready
> >
> > So its going to be TAX on TAX
> >
> > VAT + Tourist tax
> >
> > Still we've got to fill the barrel up for those that empty it , but haven't
> > contributed
> I'm not quite sure how VAT differs from U.S. "Sales Tax"
> (which is imposed by the individual states).
It's a lot higher. VAT is 17.5%, this proposed additional tax will probably make it
29.25%. ISTR US sales tax was typically under 10%.
Also the tax is always included in the price quoted, unlike the US, so the tax is not
as transparent.
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> > But aren't they charging us tax all ready
> >
> > So its going to be TAX on TAX
> >
> > VAT + Tourist tax
> >
> > Still we've got to fill the barrel up for those that empty it , but haven't
> > contributed
> I'm not quite sure how VAT differs from U.S. "Sales Tax"
> (which is imposed by the individual states).
It's a lot higher. VAT is 17.5%, this proposed additional tax will probably make it
29.25%. ISTR US sales tax was typically under 10%.
Also the tax is always included in the price quoted, unlike the US, so the tax is not
as transparent.
--
Andy
Sep 16th 2006, 6:49 am
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Re: Labour plan to tax us in out sleep
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:50:14 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
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>"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:06:19 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >My company publishes a hotel list for the UK for business travel and there is very
>> >little below �70 for a single room - and these they claim to be "specially
>negotiated
>> >discount rates"! And the hotels are pretty bog standard.
>> That perhaps says more about your company than reality,
>No, it says more about typical UK hotel prices. Travel lodge prices aren't typical.
Sure they are, they are often not the cheapest room available to me,
and there's nowhere other than central london where there's not stuff
below 70 quid available.
Jim.
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>"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:06:19 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >My company publishes a hotel list for the UK for business travel and there is very
>> >little below �70 for a single room - and these they claim to be "specially
>negotiated
>> >discount rates"! And the hotels are pretty bog standard.
>> That perhaps says more about your company than reality,
>No, it says more about typical UK hotel prices. Travel lodge prices aren't typical.
Sure they are, they are often not the cheapest room available to me,
and there's nowhere other than central london where there's not stuff
below 70 quid available.
Jim.
Sep 16th 2006, 6:49 am
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Re: Labour plan to tax us in out sleep
"Andy Pandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> > But aren't they charging us tax all ready
>> >
>> > So its going to be TAX on TAX
>> >
>> > VAT + Tourist tax
>> >
>> > Still we've got to fill the barrel up for those that empty it , but haven't
>> > contributed
>> I'm not quite sure how VAT differs from U.S. "Sales Tax"
>> (which is imposed by the individual states).
> It's a lot higher. VAT is 17.5%, this proposed additional tax will probably make
> it
> 29.25%. ISTR US sales tax was typically under 10%.
> Also the tax is always included in the price quoted, unlike the US, so the tax
> is not
> as transparent.
> --
> Andy
Not quite true Andy
There's a few UK sites that quote prices without VAT
And Certainly one Builders merchant near me quotes with out VAT
And my boss a few years back quoted without VAT
His reasoning was that we sold to established firms that were VAT registered
My response was that 80% of my client base was not VAT registered
DieSea
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> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> > But aren't they charging us tax all ready
>> >
>> > So its going to be TAX on TAX
>> >
>> > VAT + Tourist tax
>> >
>> > Still we've got to fill the barrel up for those that empty it , but haven't
>> > contributed
>> I'm not quite sure how VAT differs from U.S. "Sales Tax"
>> (which is imposed by the individual states).
> It's a lot higher. VAT is 17.5%, this proposed additional tax will probably make
> it
> 29.25%. ISTR US sales tax was typically under 10%.
> Also the tax is always included in the price quoted, unlike the US, so the tax
> is not
> as transparent.
> --
> Andy
Not quite true Andy
There's a few UK sites that quote prices without VAT
And Certainly one Builders merchant near me quotes with out VAT
And my boss a few years back quoted without VAT
His reasoning was that we sold to established firms that were VAT registered
My response was that 80% of my client base was not VAT registered
DieSea
Sep 16th 2006, 7:48 am
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Re: Labour plan to tax us in out sleep
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
> DieSea wrote:
>
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> There are increasingly fewer aspects of our daily lives which are not
>>>> subject to some kind of taxation but the plans of the parasitic New
>>>> Labour regime to tax you while you sleep are meeting defiant
>>>> opposition. The plan by the Labour leeches to impose a 10% bed tax on
>>>> overnight accommodation in hotels, B&B and caravan parks which would be
>>>> collected by local authorities would have a huge impact on the domestic
>>>> tourist industry.
>>> I'm confused - don't MOST governments impose a "hotel tax" on
>>> visitors? For the tourists' convenience, most of those hotels where
>>> I've stayed quote overnight rates "tax included", but they make no
>>> secret of the fact that there IS a tax on overnight accommodations.
>> But aren't they charging us tax all ready
>> So its going to be TAX on TAX
>> VAT + Tourist tax
>> Still we've got to fill the barrel up for those that empty it , but
>> haven't contributed
>
>
> I'm not quite sure how VAT differs from U.S. "Sales Tax" (which is
> imposed by the individual states). However, tourists from other
> countries are pretty-well resigned to paying whatever taxes are required
> for overnight accommodation without complaint. If we travel, we accept
> whatever costs it entails - if we can't afford them, we just don't go!
>> DieSea
There is a significant difference to the government in the collection of
the tax. As the name implies tax is collected on the increased value of
the product as it moves thru the world of commerce. Thus the government
is only dependent on the retailer for the collection of the tax on the
final markup. Previous increases in value will have been paid for by
previous companies. It makes the profit from cheating on the taxation
significantly lower and thus less likely.
>
>
> DieSea wrote:
>
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> There are increasingly fewer aspects of our daily lives which are not
>>>> subject to some kind of taxation but the plans of the parasitic New
>>>> Labour regime to tax you while you sleep are meeting defiant
>>>> opposition. The plan by the Labour leeches to impose a 10% bed tax on
>>>> overnight accommodation in hotels, B&B and caravan parks which would be
>>>> collected by local authorities would have a huge impact on the domestic
>>>> tourist industry.
>>> I'm confused - don't MOST governments impose a "hotel tax" on
>>> visitors? For the tourists' convenience, most of those hotels where
>>> I've stayed quote overnight rates "tax included", but they make no
>>> secret of the fact that there IS a tax on overnight accommodations.
>> But aren't they charging us tax all ready
>> So its going to be TAX on TAX
>> VAT + Tourist tax
>> Still we've got to fill the barrel up for those that empty it , but
>> haven't contributed
>
>
> I'm not quite sure how VAT differs from U.S. "Sales Tax" (which is
> imposed by the individual states). However, tourists from other
> countries are pretty-well resigned to paying whatever taxes are required
> for overnight accommodation without complaint. If we travel, we accept
> whatever costs it entails - if we can't afford them, we just don't go!
>> DieSea
There is a significant difference to the government in the collection of
the tax. As the name implies tax is collected on the increased value of
the product as it moves thru the world of commerce. Thus the government
is only dependent on the retailer for the collection of the tax on the
final markup. Previous increases in value will have been paid for by
previous companies. It makes the profit from cheating on the taxation
significantly lower and thus less likely.
Sep 16th 2006, 7:52 am
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"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >> >My company publishes a hotel list for the UK for business travel and there is
very
> >> >little below �70 for a single room - and these they claim to be "specially
> >negotiated
> >> >discount rates"! And the hotels are pretty bog standard.
> >>
> >> That perhaps says more about your company than reality,
> >
> >No, it says more about typical UK hotel prices. Travel lodge prices aren't
typical.
> Sure they are, they are often not the cheapest room available to me,
So what? They still aren't typical.
> and there's nowhere other than central london where there's not stuff
> below 70 quid available.
So what? There's stuff available at �200 a night in most places, but that's not
typical either.
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Andy
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> >> >My company publishes a hotel list for the UK for business travel and there is
very
> >> >little below �70 for a single room - and these they claim to be "specially
> >negotiated
> >> >discount rates"! And the hotels are pretty bog standard.
> >>
> >> That perhaps says more about your company than reality,
> >
> >No, it says more about typical UK hotel prices. Travel lodge prices aren't
typical.
> Sure they are, they are often not the cheapest room available to me,
So what? They still aren't typical.
> and there's nowhere other than central london where there's not stuff
> below 70 quid available.
So what? There's stuff available at �200 a night in most places, but that's not
typical either.
--
Andy
Sep 16th 2006, 7:56 am
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"DieSea" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Also the tax is always included in the price quoted, unlike the US, so the tax
> > is not
> > as transparent.
> >
> Not quite true Andy
> There's a few UK sites that quote prices without VAT
> And Certainly one Builders merchant near me quotes with out VAT
> And my boss a few years back quoted without VAT
> His reasoning was that we sold to established firms that were VAT registered
> My response was that 80% of my client base was not VAT registered
Sorry - I should have said that VAT is always included except where the business
sells mainly to other VAT registered companies. If they sell mainly to individuals
rather than businesses they'll get trading standards on their case if they quote
prices without VAT.
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Andy
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> > Also the tax is always included in the price quoted, unlike the US, so the tax
> > is not
> > as transparent.
> >
> Not quite true Andy
> There's a few UK sites that quote prices without VAT
> And Certainly one Builders merchant near me quotes with out VAT
> And my boss a few years back quoted without VAT
> His reasoning was that we sold to established firms that were VAT registered
> My response was that 80% of my client base was not VAT registered
Sorry - I should have said that VAT is always included except where the business
sells mainly to other VAT registered companies. If they sell mainly to individuals
rather than businesses they'll get trading standards on their case if they quote
prices without VAT.
--
Andy
Sep 16th 2006, 8:08 pm
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Here we go she's confused lol
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> There are increasingly fewer aspects of our daily lives which are not
>> subject to some kind of taxation but the plans of the parasitic New
>> Labour regime to tax you while you sleep are meeting defiant
>> opposition. The plan by the Labour leeches to impose a 10% bed tax on
>> overnight accommodation in hotels, B&B and caravan parks which would be
>> collected by local authorities would have a huge impact on the domestic
>> tourist industry.
> I'm confused - don't MOST governments impose a "hotel tax" on visitors?
> For the tourists' convenience, most of those hotels where I've stayed
> quote overnight rates "tax included", but they make no secret of the fact
> that there IS a tax on overnight accommodations.
>
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le
message de news: [email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>> There are increasingly fewer aspects of our daily lives which are not
>> subject to some kind of taxation but the plans of the parasitic New
>> Labour regime to tax you while you sleep are meeting defiant
>> opposition. The plan by the Labour leeches to impose a 10% bed tax on
>> overnight accommodation in hotels, B&B and caravan parks which would be
>> collected by local authorities would have a huge impact on the domestic
>> tourist industry.
> I'm confused - don't MOST governments impose a "hotel tax" on visitors?
> For the tourists' convenience, most of those hotels where I've stayed
> quote overnight rates "tax included", but they make no secret of the fact
> that there IS a tax on overnight accommodations.
>
Sep 17th 2006, 11:04 am
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Andy Pandy <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I don't see UK hotels as overpriced at all.
>
> You can get good deals, but in general the UK seems much more expensive
> than most of Europe.
That's because it _is_ much more expensive than most of Europe. I don't
understand why this surprises you.
I've just come back from a weekend in (a beautifullly sunny and warm!)
Bergen, and Norway is one of the few countries in Europe that makes me
think "wow, that's expensive." Restaurants- around 50% more than the UK
like for like- supermarket shopping- I'd say up to 100% more...
Property? It's a lot cheaper in Norway. Again, shouldn't really be a
surprise.
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> "Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
[]
> > I don't see UK hotels as overpriced at all.
>
> You can get good deals, but in general the UK seems much more expensive
> than most of Europe.
That's because it _is_ much more expensive than most of Europe. I don't
understand why this surprises you.
I've just come back from a weekend in (a beautifullly sunny and warm!)
Bergen, and Norway is one of the few countries in Europe that makes me
think "wow, that's expensive." Restaurants- around 50% more than the UK
like for like- supermarket shopping- I'd say up to 100% more...
Property? It's a lot cheaper in Norway. Again, shouldn't really be a
surprise.
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
Sep 18th 2006, 1:03 am
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"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate"
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> Andy Pandy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> []
> > > I don't see UK hotels as overpriced at all.
> >
> > You can get good deals, but in general the UK seems much more expensive
> > than most of Europe.
> That's because it _is_ much more expensive than most of Europe. I don't
> understand why this surprises you.
It doesn't. It surprises me that some people think the UK is cheap! Other than
Norwegians of course...
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> Andy Pandy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> []
> > > I don't see UK hotels as overpriced at all.
> >
> > You can get good deals, but in general the UK seems much more expensive
> > than most of Europe.
> That's because it _is_ much more expensive than most of Europe. I don't
> understand why this surprises you.
It doesn't. It surprises me that some people think the UK is cheap! Other than
Norwegians of course...
--
Andy
