Italy's Mail Prohibitions
Dec 2nd 2005, 9:08 am
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Re: Italy's Mail Prohibitions
Martin Bienwald <[email protected]> wrote:
> Des Small wrote:
> > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
>
> >> Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving later.
> >> My post often doesn't arrive until 10.30am now, sometimes even later-
> >> but that's still pretty good compared to most countries I can think of.
> >
> > If you say so.
>
> He might be right, at least compared to Germany. I rarely get my post
> before 1pm.
I think that's pretty average across Europe. The UK postal service has
had to make a lot of these changes to cut costs. Problem is, when people
are used to having something, they don't like it when it's taken away.
Understandable, I suppose. I get annoyed when the local trams raise
their fares when, if anything, the service is poorer than it was a year
or so ago.
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> Des Small wrote:
> > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
>
> >> Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving later.
> >> My post often doesn't arrive until 10.30am now, sometimes even later-
> >> but that's still pretty good compared to most countries I can think of.
> >
> > If you say so.
>
> He might be right, at least compared to Germany. I rarely get my post
> before 1pm.
I think that's pretty average across Europe. The UK postal service has
had to make a lot of these changes to cut costs. Problem is, when people
are used to having something, they don't like it when it's taken away.
Understandable, I suppose. I get annoyed when the local trams raise
their fares when, if anything, the service is poorer than it was a year
or so ago.
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Dec 2nd 2005, 9:08 am
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Re: Italy's Mail Prohibitions
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <1h6wwk5.lyh21zid4apzN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com>,
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
[]
> > The only problem I have had is with a bloody lazy postman who decided to
> > leave notices that he'd 'tried to leave a package' but hadn't-
> > especially when I was in the house at the time and caught him at it.
>
> Round here they'll leave packages at practically any nearby address if
> they don't find you in - I'm not sure if that indicates an honest
> community or a naive postman!
They'll do that here too. I don't mind if it's the next door neighbour,
who's very nice, but I once picked up a package at a house at the end of
the street. A bit unfair on that person, I thought...
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> In article <1h6wwk5.lyh21zid4apzN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com>,
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
[]
> > The only problem I have had is with a bloody lazy postman who decided to
> > leave notices that he'd 'tried to leave a package' but hadn't-
> > especially when I was in the house at the time and caught him at it.
>
> Round here they'll leave packages at practically any nearby address if
> they don't find you in - I'm not sure if that indicates an honest
> community or a naive postman!
They'll do that here too. I don't mind if it's the next door neighbour,
who's very nice, but I once picked up a package at a house at the end of
the street. A bit unfair on that person, I thought...
--
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Dec 2nd 2005, 9:55 am
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Re: Italy's Mail Prohibitions
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] writes:
>> Yes, until 2004. And there were even more in the C19 - it was possible to
>> post a letter in London and have it reach the recipient the same day.
> It must have been staggeringly expensive to provide such a service.
> And what was the advantage? While some mail is time-sensitive, "time"
> invariably means a calendar date, not an hour of the day.
> If anything, it sounds like a hangover from a century ago, when the
> postal service was the fastest thing around. Perhaps then there were
> limited cases in which multiple deliveries might be useful, but today
> it seems extremely odd.
Why?
JohnT
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> [email protected] writes:
>> Yes, until 2004. And there were even more in the C19 - it was possible to
>> post a letter in London and have it reach the recipient the same day.
> It must have been staggeringly expensive to provide such a service.
> And what was the advantage? While some mail is time-sensitive, "time"
> invariably means a calendar date, not an hour of the day.
> If anything, it sounds like a hangover from a century ago, when the
> postal service was the fastest thing around. Perhaps then there were
> limited cases in which multiple deliveries might be useful, but today
> it seems extremely odd.
Why?
JohnT
Dec 2nd 2005, 11:03 am
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Re: Italy's Mail Prohibitions
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:08:17 +0000, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>They'll do that here too. I don't mind if it's the next door neighbour,
>who's very nice, but I once picked up a package at a house at the end of
>the street. A bit unfair on that person, I thought...
Once the mailman left a package with my next-door neighbour, who
unfortunately was in the early stages of Alzheimers. When I knocked on
her door to ask for the package, she said, "What package? I didn't
accept any package." She had really hidden it well, too. Her daughter
spent over an hour searching for it.
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>They'll do that here too. I don't mind if it's the next door neighbour,
>who's very nice, but I once picked up a package at a house at the end of
>the street. A bit unfair on that person, I thought...
Once the mailman left a package with my next-door neighbour, who
unfortunately was in the early stages of Alzheimers. When I knocked on
her door to ask for the package, she said, "What package? I didn't
accept any package." She had really hidden it well, too. Her daughter
spent over an hour searching for it.
--
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My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Dec 2nd 2005, 11:03 am
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:08:16 +0000, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Here, about 93% of first class post arrives the next day.
93% sounds pretty damn precise. What's the standard deviation?
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(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Here, about 93% of first class post arrives the next day.
93% sounds pretty damn precise. What's the standard deviation?
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Dec 2nd 2005, 5:33 pm
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JohnT writes:
> Why?
Because it is very high in overhead and there are better alternatives
for extremely fast delivery, such as e-mail or even fax.
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> Why?
Because it is very high in overhead and there are better alternatives
for extremely fast delivery, such as e-mail or even fax.
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Dec 2nd 2005, 6:44 pm
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> JohnT writes:
>> Why?
> Because it is very high in overhead and there are better alternatives
> for extremely fast delivery, such as e-mail or even fax.
You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or by
fax? Dim!!
JohnT
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> JohnT writes:
>> Why?
> Because it is very high in overhead and there are better alternatives
> for extremely fast delivery, such as e-mail or even fax.
You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or by
fax? Dim!!
JohnT
Dec 2nd 2005, 8:03 pm
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JohnT writes:
> You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or by
> fax? Dim!!
Nowadays they are usually sent by private courrier, and they are never
urgent.
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> You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or by
> fax? Dim!!
Nowadays they are usually sent by private courrier, and they are never
urgent.
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Dec 2nd 2005, 8:29 pm
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> JohnT writes:
>> You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or
>> by
>> fax? Dim!!
> Nowadays they are usually sent by private courrier, and they are never
> urgent.
Firstly, as is usual, you changed the subject again. Secondly, what you say
is nonsense.
JohnT
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> JohnT writes:
>> You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or
>> by
>> fax? Dim!!
> Nowadays they are usually sent by private courrier, and they are never
> urgent.
Firstly, as is usual, you changed the subject again. Secondly, what you say
is nonsense.
JohnT
Dec 2nd 2005, 8:49 pm
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B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:08:16 +0000, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Here, about 93% of first class post arrives the next day.
>
> 93% sounds pretty damn precise. What's the standard deviation?
Good question- I don't know. The 93% figure is widely used though. It
was a specific target the service aimed for, and apparenty hit nearly
everywhere. in the country, so if in your area, the figure is 89% then
you'd consider that your local service wasn't working as well. From my
own point of view, I find it unusual if a first class letter doesn't
arrive the next day, though it can happen.
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> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:08:16 +0000, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Here, about 93% of first class post arrives the next day.
>
> 93% sounds pretty damn precise. What's the standard deviation?
Good question- I don't know. The 93% figure is widely used though. It
was a specific target the service aimed for, and apparenty hit nearly
everywhere. in the country, so if in your area, the figure is 89% then
you'd consider that your local service wasn't working as well. From my
own point of view, I find it unusual if a first class letter doesn't
arrive the next day, though it can happen.
--
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Dec 2nd 2005, 8:54 pm
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On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:49:30 +0000, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:08:16 +0000, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>> offy) wrote:
>>
>> >Here, about 93% of first class post arrives the next day.
>>
>> 93% sounds pretty damn precise. What's the standard deviation?
>Good question- I don't know. The 93% figure is widely used though. It
>was a specific target the service aimed for, and apparenty hit nearly
>everywhere. in the country, so if in your area, the figure is 89% then
>you'd consider that your local service wasn't working as well. From my
>own point of view, I find it unusual if a first class letter doesn't
>arrive the next day, though it can happen.
Any mail posted in the late afternoon usually arrives the next day in
NL.
Internationally the worst Dutch communication appears to be with UK.
Mail goes to and from Adelaide in half the time it takes between NL
and UK.
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Martin
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:08:16 +0000, [email protected]
>> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>> offy) wrote:
>>
>> >Here, about 93% of first class post arrives the next day.
>>
>> 93% sounds pretty damn precise. What's the standard deviation?
>Good question- I don't know. The 93% figure is widely used though. It
>was a specific target the service aimed for, and apparenty hit nearly
>everywhere. in the country, so if in your area, the figure is 89% then
>you'd consider that your local service wasn't working as well. From my
>own point of view, I find it unusual if a first class letter doesn't
>arrive the next day, though it can happen.
Any mail posted in the late afternoon usually arrives the next day in
NL.
Internationally the worst Dutch communication appears to be with UK.
Mail goes to and from Adelaide in half the time it takes between NL
and UK.
--
Martin
Dec 2nd 2005, 8:55 pm
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Re: Italy's Mail Prohibitions
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:29:57 -0000, "JohnT"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> JohnT writes:
>>> You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or
>>> by
>>> fax? Dim!!
>> Nowadays they are usually sent by private courrier, and they are never
>> urgent.
>Firstly, as is usual, you changed the subject again. Secondly, what you say
>is nonsense.
Turdly what did you expect?
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> JohnT writes:
>>> You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or
>>> by
>>> fax? Dim!!
>> Nowadays they are usually sent by private courrier, and they are never
>> urgent.
>Firstly, as is usual, you changed the subject again. Secondly, what you say
>is nonsense.
Turdly what did you expect?
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Martin
Dec 2nd 2005, 8:58 pm
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B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:08:17 +0000, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >They'll do that here too. I don't mind if it's the next door neighbour,
> >who's very nice, but I once picked up a package at a house at the end of
> >the street. A bit unfair on that person, I thought...
>
> Once the mailman left a package with my next-door neighbour, who
> unfortunately was in the early stages of Alzheimers. When I knocked on
> her door to ask for the package, she said, "What package? I didn't
> accept any package." She had really hidden it well, too. Her daughter
> spent over an hour searching for it.
That could have been a difficult situation- glad it turned out fine!
I might have mentioned this before, but when my partner moved over to
the UK, he sent many boxes over to the UK by surface mail, mostly with
books and clothes. The boxes typically took around 4 weeks to arrive,
and I got a note from the deliverer (Parcelforce I think, a part of
Royal Mail) saying they had left some next door. This was when I lived
in London- I'd never even seen my neighbour! I put a note through the
door with my phone number, asking the neighbour to call me. I heard
nothing for a week, and was getting frantic. I pushed open the letter
box and could see several boxes in the hallway, that looked like the
kind Oscar would have sent. I called Parcelforce to complain, and they
said it was usual to leave packages with the neighbours. Anyway, a
couple of days later I got a text on the mobile from the neighbour,
saying I could have picked up the boxes. Turned out he'd had to go into
hospital suddenly! He was very nice about it all, and the packages were
fine in the end!
Oh, and today the post arrived while I typed this- at 0953!
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> On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:08:17 +0000, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >They'll do that here too. I don't mind if it's the next door neighbour,
> >who's very nice, but I once picked up a package at a house at the end of
> >the street. A bit unfair on that person, I thought...
>
> Once the mailman left a package with my next-door neighbour, who
> unfortunately was in the early stages of Alzheimers. When I knocked on
> her door to ask for the package, she said, "What package? I didn't
> accept any package." She had really hidden it well, too. Her daughter
> spent over an hour searching for it.
That could have been a difficult situation- glad it turned out fine!
I might have mentioned this before, but when my partner moved over to
the UK, he sent many boxes over to the UK by surface mail, mostly with
books and clothes. The boxes typically took around 4 weeks to arrive,
and I got a note from the deliverer (Parcelforce I think, a part of
Royal Mail) saying they had left some next door. This was when I lived
in London- I'd never even seen my neighbour! I put a note through the
door with my phone number, asking the neighbour to call me. I heard
nothing for a week, and was getting frantic. I pushed open the letter
box and could see several boxes in the hallway, that looked like the
kind Oscar would have sent. I called Parcelforce to complain, and they
said it was usual to leave packages with the neighbours. Anyway, a
couple of days later I got a text on the mobile from the neighbour,
saying I could have picked up the boxes. Turned out he'd had to go into
hospital suddenly! He was very nice about it all, and the packages were
fine in the end!
Oh, and today the post arrived while I typed this- at 0953!
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
Dec 2nd 2005, 9:06 pm
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:49:30 +0000, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
[]
> Internationally the worst Dutch communication appears to be with UK.
> Mail goes to and from Adelaide in half the time it takes between NL
> and UK.
Maybe it depends on the area? I've got a colleague in Amsterdam and we
frequently have to send packages and documents to each other. They
typically take 2-3 days. I'm surprised I don't have more problems with
post, as there is another street in Manchester with the same name as the
one I live on. My address is Whitefield, Manchester, but I've received
post that left out Whitefield, presumably because the deliverer read the
postal code. When I called the post office to complain about the
deliverer who wasn't delivering packages but leaving notes that he had,
the person on the other end said "oh, you're the doctor, aren't you?" I
thought a moment, remembering that I get quite a bit of academic mail
which uses that form of address. I said "yes" without adding I'm only a
lowly PhD- maybe they take extra care with the post now thinking they're
transporting important information? :) Nah, I doubt it very much...
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> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:49:30 +0000, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
[]
> Internationally the worst Dutch communication appears to be with UK.
> Mail goes to and from Adelaide in half the time it takes between NL
> and UK.
Maybe it depends on the area? I've got a colleague in Amsterdam and we
frequently have to send packages and documents to each other. They
typically take 2-3 days. I'm surprised I don't have more problems with
post, as there is another street in Manchester with the same name as the
one I live on. My address is Whitefield, Manchester, but I've received
post that left out Whitefield, presumably because the deliverer read the
postal code. When I called the post office to complain about the
deliverer who wasn't delivering packages but leaving notes that he had,
the person on the other end said "oh, you're the doctor, aren't you?" I
thought a moment, remembering that I get quite a bit of academic mail
which uses that form of address. I said "yes" without adding I'm only a
lowly PhD- maybe they take extra care with the post now thinking they're
transporting important information? :) Nah, I doubt it very much...
--
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Dec 2nd 2005, 10:11 pm
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Re: Italy's Mail Prohibitions
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:03:46 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>JohnT writes:
>> You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or by
>> fax? Dim!!
>Nowadays they are usually sent by private courrier, and they are never
>urgent.
How can you possibly know whether they are urgent?
--
Martin
wrote:
>JohnT writes:
>> You want to send books and DVDs and other letter post items by e-mail or by
>> fax? Dim!!
>Nowadays they are usually sent by private courrier, and they are never
>urgent.
How can you possibly know whether they are urgent?
--
Martin
