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Old Dec 1st 2005, 10:38 am
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    > offy writes:
    >> Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving later.
    > You had more than one delivery a day? I've never heard of that in the
    > U.S., although I've seen occasional references to it in British
    > literature.

If you knew anything at all about Europe, surely you would have been aware
of that.

JohnT
 
Old Dec 1st 2005, 10:42 am
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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And
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JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    > > offy writes:
    > >
    > >> Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving later.
    > >
    > > You had more than one delivery a day? I've never heard of that in the
    > > U.S., although I've seen occasional references to it in British
    > > literature.
    >
    > If you knew anything at all about Europe, surely you would have been aware
    > of that.

Where else in Europe has a second delivery? (I don't know myself, but my
understanding was that the UK was one of the few places still to have
it.)

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Old Dec 1st 2005, 10:57 am
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On 01 Dec 2005 22:43:01 +0000, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
    >> Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving later.
    >> My post often doesn't arrive until 10.30am now, sometimes even later-
    >> but that's still pretty good compared to most countries I can think of.
    >If you say so.
    >> Still, many households wouldn't receive their post previously until
    >> around 9am, and people going to work have probably left the house by
    >> then. IOW, I'm not sure what difference it really makes.
    >When I was a children the first post was often there before I left for
    >school, before 8am. Now I am a grown-up, it hardly ever arrives
    >before I leave for work, which is not infrequently not much before
    >9am.
    >It's worse, and irritatingly so, for me. Not least when I get a "We
    >couldn't be arsed to deliver it" note that has me shlepping 30 minutes
    >the wrong way (and the same amount back) to an industrial estate
    >festooned with "Pedestrians may want to watch out, because we aren't
    >going to" notices, at frankly bizarrely limited times of mornings.
    >Following, as I do, a wide variety of Yoorpean newsbladets, I have
    >seen it remarked that the automisation of mail-handling in the UK is
    >lagging behind general Yoorpean standards, and I am far from impressed
    >by the whole process.

In NL our mail is delivered any time between 10 am and 3 pm. If it is
raining it is often soaking wet. The mail frequently shows signs of
having been opened before we get it. Is that what you really want?
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Old Dec 1st 2005, 11:02 am
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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 01 Dec 2005 22:43:01 +0000, Des Small <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
    > >
    > >> Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving later.
    > >> My post often doesn't arrive until 10.30am now, sometimes even later-
    > >> but that's still pretty good compared to most countries I can think of.
    > >
    > >If you say so.
[]
    > In NL our mail is delivered any time between 10 am and 3 pm. If it is
    > raining it is often soaking wet. The mail frequently shows signs of
    > having been opened before we get it. Is that what you really want?

Time for a poll? :)

I do remember reading, when the postal service here said that deliveries
would be later, and that second deliveries would be removed, that it
still compared well to Europe. This was reported in the various media-
not just parroting the stupidly named 'Consignia.' Also, as far as the
EU is concerned, the cost of a first class letter is cheaper in the UK
than most others- and considering that the general cost of living here
is quite high.

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Old Dec 1st 2005, 10:19 pm
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:02:22 +0000, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:

    >Time for a poll? :)

rural Italy:
cost of ordinary letter: 34 euro cents
cost of priority mail: 60 euro cents
time to arrive, local ordinary letter: one or two days
time to arrive, priority letter: usually one day
time to arrive, international priority mail: 4-6 days
time of delivery: between 11 and 12 AM

consistency of delivery: if the mail carrier is sick or on holiday,
his substitute may never make it to our house. I've enoticed mail on
Saturdays is very skimpy compared to other days. I suspect magazines
and newspapers are rarely delivered on a Saturday. I've never lost
anything in the mail.


    >I do remember reading, when the postal service here said that deliveries
    >would be later, and that second deliveries would be removed, that it
    >still compared well to Europe. This was reported in the various media-
    >not just parroting the stupidly named 'Consignia.' Also, as far as the
    >EU is concerned, the cost of a first class letter is cheaper in the UK
    >than most others- and considering that the general cost of living here
    >is quite high.

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Old Dec 1st 2005, 10:57 pm
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:19:30 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

    >. I've enoticed mail on
    >Saturdays is very skimpy compared to other days.

There's no delivery on Saturdays in Austria, not even peak times like
Christmas.
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Old Dec 2nd 2005, 1:27 am
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Des Small wrote:
    > [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:

    >> Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving later.
    >> My post often doesn't arrive until 10.30am now, sometimes even later-
    >> but that's still pretty good compared to most countries I can think of.
    >
    > If you say so.

He might be right, at least compared to Germany. I rarely get my post
before 1pm.

... Martin
 
Old Dec 2nd 2005, 2:04 am
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Tim C. schrieb:
    > On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:19:30 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

    >>. I've enoticed mail on
    >>Saturdays is very skimpy compared to other days.
    >
    > There's no delivery on Saturdays in Austria, not even peak times like
    > Christmas.

There is in Germany, but there was talk of skipping Monday delivery,
at least to private mailboxes. As businesses usually don't send out
anything on Saturdays, the amount of mail to deliver is significantly
smaller on Mondays (one of the good points of German mail service is
that they usually manage next working day delivery).

A standard letter (up to 20 grams, standard size, no thicker than 5mm)
is 55 euro cent (no first and second class here). Delivery seems to be
anytime between 9am and 3pm depending on where you're living.

... Martin
 
Old Dec 2nd 2005, 3:22 am
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In article <1h6wwk5.lyh21zid4apzN%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com>,
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:

    > *From:* [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of
    > besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy)
    > *Date:* Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:28:22 +0000
    >
    > Jack Campin - bogus address <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > []
    > > The US postal service is public and bloody awful. The UK one is
    > > semi-privatized, and much worse for the general public than it was
    > > when fully public -
    >
    > The post offices aside- I agree that closing a lot of them was a bad
    > thing- I don't agree that the service is much worse. Most first class
    > letters still arrive the next day- forget the exact percentage, but it's
    > high. It's reliable. My partner is an avid ebay seller and buyer, and
    > has never had a problem in over hundreds of transactions.
    >
    > Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving later.
    > My post often doesn't arrive until 10.30am now, sometimes even later-
    > but that's still pretty good compared to most countries I can think of.
    > Still, many households wouldn't receive their post previously until
    > around 9am, and people going to work have probably left the house by
    > then. IOW, I'm not sure what difference it really makes.
    >
    > The only problem I have had is with a bloody lazy postman who decided to
    > leave notices that he'd 'tried to leave a package' but hadn't-
    > especially when I was in the house at the time and caught him at it.

Round here they'll leave packages at practically any nearby address if
they don't find you in - I'm not sure if that indicates an honest
community or a naive postman!
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Old Dec 2nd 2005, 3:22 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:

    > *From:* Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    > *Date:* Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:02:40 +0100
    >
    > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    > offy writes:
    >
    > > Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving
    > > later.
    >
    > You had more than one delivery a day? I've never heard of that in the
    > U.S., although I've seen occasional references to it in British
    > literature.

Yes, until 2004. And there were even more in the C19 - it was possible to
post a letter in London and have it reach the recipient the same day.


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Old Dec 2nd 2005, 3:26 am
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:22:15 -0600, [email protected] wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    >[email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:
    >> *From:* Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >> *Date:* Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:02:40 +0100
    >>
    >> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
    >> offy writes:
    >>
    >> > Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving
    >> > later.
    >>
    >> You had more than one delivery a day? I've never heard of that in the
    >> U.S., although I've seen occasional references to it in British
    >> literature.
    >Yes, until 2004. And there were even more in the C19 - it was possible to
    >post a letter in London and have it reach the recipient the same day.

That's possible in NL sometimes.
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Old Dec 2nd 2005, 7:28 am
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[email protected] writes:

    > Yes, until 2004. And there were even more in the C19 - it was possible to
    > post a letter in London and have it reach the recipient the same day.

It must have been staggeringly expensive to provide such a service.
And what was the advantage? While some mail is time-sensitive, "time"
invariably means a calendar date, not an hour of the day.

If anything, it sounds like a hangover from a century ago, when the
postal service was the fastest thing around. Perhaps then there were
limited cases in which multiple deliveries might be useful, but today
it seems extremely odd.

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Old Dec 2nd 2005, 7:36 am
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It was quite common for businesses to have multiple deliveries per day
in the US; perhaps still is. I don't mean large businesses getting
Thousands of pieces either. A small business I worked at as late as the
mid 80's (Less than Ten person 'storefront' operation) got Morning and
Afternoon deliveries and pickup.

Tim K

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:
    > > *From:* Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    > > *Date:* Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:02:40 +0100
    > >
    > > chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
24h
    > > offy writes:
    > >
    > > > Some big changes- the loss of the second post, and post arriving
    > > > later.
    > >
    > > You had more than one delivery a day? I've never heard of that in
the
    > > U.S., although I've seen occasional references to it in British
    > > literature.
    > Yes, until 2004. And there were even more in the C19 - it was possible
to
    > post a letter in London and have it reach the recipient the same day.
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > The poster formerly known as [email protected].
 
Old Dec 2nd 2005, 7:44 am
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    >> Yes, until 2004. And there were even more in the C19 - it was possible
    >> to post a letter in London and have it reach the recipient the same day.
    > It must have been staggeringly expensive to provide such a service.
    > And what was the advantage? While some mail is time-sensitive, "time"
    > invariably means a calendar date, not an hour of the day.

What's the advantage of email? People used it the same way. In central
London, there were four deliveries a day for a few decades in the 19th
century - it was easily possible to write and get an answer on the same
day.

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Old Dec 2nd 2005, 9:08 am
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Martin Bienwald <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Tim C. schrieb:
    > > On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:19:30 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >>. I've enoticed mail on
    > >>Saturdays is very skimpy compared to other days.
    > >
    > > There's no delivery on Saturdays in Austria, not even peak times like
    > > Christmas.
    >
    > There is in Germany, but there was talk of skipping Monday delivery,
    > at least to private mailboxes. As businesses usually don't send out
    > anything on Saturdays, the amount of mail to deliver is significantly
    > smaller on Mondays (one of the good points of German mail service is
    > that they usually manage next working day delivery).

Here, about 93% of first class post arrives the next day.

    >
    > A standard letter (up to 20 grams, standard size, no thicker than 5mm)
    > is 55 euro cent (no first and second class here). Delivery seems to be
    > anytime between 9am and 3pm depending on where you're living.

So IOW, similar to the UK, though the minimum first class postage here
is quite a bit cheaper.

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