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Old Nov 17th 2003, 7:12 pm
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Anirban
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Hello all,

Me and two of my friends will be travelling to Italy around Christmas
and our itinerary looks like:

Fly into Milan (we have no other choice)
Milan to Venice.
Venice to Rome.
Rome to Milan.
Milan to Como and back on the same day.
Back from Milan.


The total duration of the trip will be 10 days.

Now I have a few questions.

1) Do the price of tickets available on internet sites such as
raileurope and railpass

http://www.raileurope.com/us/

the same as the price if you buy them in Italy?

2) It looks that the Trenitalia Flexi Card Saver might be good for us
but how do we make the reservations?

3) If we have a pass and board the Euorostar , where and how do we pay
the extra surcharge?

It seems that Trenitalia has a website linked for making purchases and
reservations but it is only in Italian:

http://62.110.170.238/home/it/mappa01.html

Is there a way to purchase passes by telephone and pick them up when
we go there?

Any help or suggestion will be very welcome.

Thanks a lot for reading the mail.

Anirban.
 
Old Nov 17th 2003, 7:44 pm
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Phil Richards
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On 18 Nov 2003 00:12:52 -0800 Anirban <[email protected]> said...

    > 1) Do the price of tickets available on internet sites such as
    > raileurope and railpass
    >
    > http://www.raileurope.com/us/
    >
    > the same as the price if you buy them in Italy?

General consensus of opinion is that the prices are much lower locally.

    > 2) It looks that the Trenitalia Flexi Card Saver might be good for us
    > but how do we make the reservations?

Probably best to reserve locally once in Italy at the ticket window.

    > 3) If we have a pass and board the Euorostar , where and how do we pay
    > the extra surcharge?

Again locally in Italy.

    > It seems that Trenitalia has a website linked for making purchases and
    > reservations but it is only in Italian:
    >
    > http://62.110.170.238/home/it/mappa01.html

Non Italians apparently are up against a stumbling block when trying to
register to use the on-line facility to book. By all accounts you need to
have an Italian tax code as part of the registration process. All seems a
bit bureaucratic to me. A pity too as until at least the end of the year
Trenitalia are offering a 5% reduction (not fantastic, but nothing to be
sneezed at) for booking on line.

    > Is there a way to purchase passes by telephone and pick them up when
    > we go there?

You could possibly call Trenitalia and see if you could do it that way.
Or book once in Italy either at the ticket window or (IMO) the very easy
to use self service machines (with English language instructions) which
will book any journey for you.

--
Phil Richards
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Old Nov 18th 2003, 1:15 am
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Tile
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www.trenitalia.it is in many languages.
english is one of them.
"Anirban" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello all,
    > Me and two of my friends will be travelling to Italy around Christmas
    > and our itinerary looks like:
    > Fly into Milan (we have no other choice)
    > Milan to Venice.
    > Venice to Rome.
    > Rome to Milan.
    > Milan to Como and back on the same day.
    > Back from Milan.
    > The total duration of the trip will be 10 days.
    > Now I have a few questions.
    > 1) Do the price of tickets available on internet sites such as
    > raileurope and railpass
    > http://www.raileurope.com/us/
    > the same as the price if you buy them in Italy?
    > 2) It looks that the Trenitalia Flexi Card Saver might be good for us
    > but how do we make the reservations?
    > 3) If we have a pass and board the Euorostar , where and how do we pay
    > the extra surcharge?
    > It seems that Trenitalia has a website linked for making purchases and
    > reservations but it is only in Italian:
    > http://62.110.170.238/home/it/mappa01.html
    > Is there a way to purchase passes by telephone and pick them up when
    > we go there?
    > Any help or suggestion will be very welcome.
    > Thanks a lot for reading the mail.
    > Anirban.
 
Old Nov 18th 2003, 1:16 am
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B Vaughan
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:44:55 -0000, Phil Richards
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 18 Nov 2003 00:12:52 -0800 Anirban <[email protected]> said...
    >> 1) Do the price of tickets available on internet sites such as
    >> raileurope and railpass
    >>
    >> http://www.raileurope.com/us/
    >>
    >> the same as the price if you buy them in Italy?
    >General consensus of opinion is that the prices are much lower locally.

Definitely true.

    >> 2) It looks that the Trenitalia Flexi Card Saver might be good for us
    >> but how do we make the reservations?

It's very unlikely that any Italian rail pass will save you money with
the limited amount of travel you are considering.

    >> 3) If we have a pass and board the Euorostar , where and how do we pay
    >> the extra surcharge?

The Eurostar requires a reservation in addition to the surcharge. You
would take your pass to the ticket window and they will give you a
ticket that covers the surcharge and reservation.

    >> It seems that Trenitalia has a website linked for making purchases and
    >> reservations but it is only in Italian:
    >>
    >> http://62.110.170.238/home/it/mappa01.html

The correct website is www.trenitalia.it

    >Non Italians apparently are up against a stumbling block when trying to
    >register to use the on-line facility to book. By all accounts you need to
    >have an Italian tax code as part of the registration process. All seems a
    >bit bureaucratic to me. A pity too as until at least the end of the year
    >Trenitalia are offering a 5% reduction (not fantastic, but nothing to be
    >sneezed at) for booking on line.

This is no longer true. Registration can be made with just a valid
email address. You also no longer need a reservation to see the price
of tickets. If you are registered, you can buy tickets online for most
trains, and later pick up the tickets at a ticket machine. You have to
make sure that the station you are leaving from has a ticket machine.
Many small stations don't. There is a link on the web site so you can
check this. Make sure you carry the printout containing your purchase
details, in case the ticket machine doesn't work. (This happened to me
once, when leaving from a small station that had only one ticket
machine. The ticket clerk accepted my printout as proof of purchase
and issued me a normal ticket. If the ticket window were closed, you
could show the paper to the conductor.)

You can also buy an "e-ticket" on some routes (Eurostar trains on the
route between Milan and Venice or on the route between Milan and
Naples.) You don't have to pick up anything at the station in this
case; you just give the conductor your purchase code. (Be sure to
carry the printout in case of problems.)

The downside is that ever since the web site was changed to reflect
these changes, the English language page hasn't been working. The
French, German and Spanish pages work, as well as the Italian page.

    >> Is there a way to purchase passes by telephone and pick them up when
    >> we go there?

Yes, there is a number that I used once. It's 892021, but it's in
Italian only. The call costs more than a normal call, but not
outrageously so. (something like 2 cents a minute and 5 cents
connection fee.)

    >Or book once in Italy either at the ticket window or (IMO) the very easy
    >to use self service machines (with English language instructions) which
    >will book any journey for you.

This is indeed easy if you're at a station which has these machines.
All the larger stations have them.

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Old Nov 18th 2003, 3:03 am
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Freeda
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    > Me and two of my friends will be travelling to Italy around Christmas
    > and our itinerary looks like:
    > Fly into Milan (we have no other choice)
    > Milan to Venice.
    > Venice to Rome.
    > Rome to Milan.
    > Milan to Como and back on the same day.
    > Back from Milan.
    > The total duration of the trip will be 10 days.
    > Now I have a few questions.
    > 1) Do the price of tickets available on internet sites such as
    > raileurope and railpass

Trains are very cheap in Italy, just buy singles as and when you need them.

    > the same as the price if you buy them in Italy?
    > 2) It looks that the Trenitalia Flexi Card Saver might be good for us
    > but how do we make the reservations?
    > 3) If we have a pass and board the Euorostar , where and how do we pay
    > the extra surcharge?

As before, just buy as you go. Eurostar trains are around 30% more than IC
trains.

I would suggest reservations if you are travelling at peak holiday times....
otherwise you may find it hard to find even standing room.

Check out www.trenitalia.com and you should be able to suss out prices...
 
Old Nov 18th 2003, 4:00 am
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:44:55 -0000, Phil Richards
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 18 Nov 2003 00:12:52 -0800 Anirban <[email protected]> said...
    >> 1) Do the price of tickets available on internet sites such as
    >> raileurope and railpass
    >>
    >> http://www.raileurope.com/us/
    >>
    >> the same as the price if you buy them in Italy?
    >General consensus of opinion is that the prices are much lower locally.

And such things as youth discounts may be available locally.

    >> 2) It looks that the Trenitalia Flexi Card Saver might be good for us
    >> but how do we make the reservations?
    >Probably best to reserve locally once in Italy at the ticket window.

Not to forget that reservations are not required at all on most
trains. Reservations simply reserve a seat, and an open seat can
usually be found.

[...]

    >> Is there a way to purchase passes by telephone and pick them up when
    >> we go there?
    >You could possibly call Trenitalia and see if you could do it that way.
    >Or book once in Italy either at the ticket window or (IMO) the very easy
    >to use self service machines (with English language instructions) which
    >will book any journey for you.

In all likelihood the Italian rail passes available through sites
like http://www.railpass.com will be the same price as if
purchased in Italy. The real question is, Is a pass really cost
effective? Usually not.

************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
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Old Nov 18th 2003, 6:18 am
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Hello,

Thanks a lot for your input. Our itinerary , which I have already
mailed looks like :

Dec. 26th -Fly into Milan (we have no other choice)
Dec. 26th - Milan to Venice.
Dec. 28th- Venice to Rome.
Jan. 1st - Rome to Milan.
Jan. 2nd -Milan to Como and back on the same day.
Jan. 3rd -Back from Milan.

Now since we are getting into Italy on 26th, do you think we can
actually get reservations on that day? I do not have any idea how
crowded trains are on that day since I have heard that it is a holiday
but a lot of Italians travel during that time.

Thanks again for your kind messages.

Take care.

Anirban.
 
Old Nov 18th 2003, 6:21 am
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Anirban muttered....

    > Hello all,
    >
    > Me and two of my friends will be travelling to Italy around Christmas
    > and our itinerary looks like:
    >
    > Fly into Milan (we have no other choice)
    > Milan to Venice.
    > Venice to Rome.
    > Rome to Milan.
    > Milan to Como and back on the same day.
    > Back from Milan.
    >
    >

    >
    > It seems that Trenitalia has a website linked for making purchases and
    > reservations but it is only in Italian:
    >

Just returned from a 2 1/2 week similar jaunt...

Used Trenitalia site for schedules and costs, with the "Italian" part
really fairly simple (although English version has been broken).

No big deal...

Milan to Venice, IC coach, 1st class uncrowded . Tickets purchased five
minutes proior to departure.

Venice to Rome, IC night train, compartment for two, purchased in Milan 5
days early to insure compartment....Kind of like an old Eric Ambler
book/cinema noir. Conductor "runs" things and provides morning coffee.

last leg, Florence to Milan, bought tickets on Sunday morning, S.Maria
Novella crowded, decided to ride Eurostar leaving a few minutes early, paid
"supplement', @8 each on train, lunched in dining car, @25 price fixe but
decent lunch with wine, dining car filled for one sitting.

Drove Rome/Civatella d'Agliano/San Sano, & area inc. Siena, S.Gmig,
Volterra, Radda,but worst driving had to be Florence's downtown pedestrian
zone with almost total inability to get to Duomo area hotel (except by
conning gullible policeman).

Would do railroad parts again tomorrow, but be advised, to all but hardy
mountaineers, the "hills" of Tuscany provide challenging driving and
requires a good clutch foot, not auto transmission country at all.

TMO
 
Old Nov 18th 2003, 7:07 am
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On 18 Nov 2003 11:18:47 -0800 Anirban <[email protected]> said...

    > Dec. 26th -Fly into Milan (we have no other choice)
    > Dec. 26th - Milan to Venice.

Most of the fastest trains are Inter City (IC) services which don't
require reservations. You might be able to book seats a few hours before,
if not then you'll simply get sold a ticket and you can find spare seats
on the train. You could always stand up in the corridor if all seats are
taken (unlikely).

    > Dec. 28th- Venice to Rome.
    > Jan. 1st - Rome to Milan.

Quickest trains are Eurostar Italia, reservations are required. Suggest
book a few days ahead. If you're really unlucky and the trains are
completely booked out (highly unlikely) you have slower IC & regional
services as a fallback.

    > Jan. 2nd -Milan to Como and back on the same day.

Only a short distance local service, reservations won't be possible.

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Old Nov 18th 2003, 7:46 am
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On 18 Nov 2003 11:18:47 -0800, [email protected] (Anirban) wrote:

    >Hello,
    >Thanks a lot for your input. Our itinerary , which I have already
    >mailed looks like :

[snip]

    >Now since we are getting into Italy on 26th, do you think we can
    >actually get reservations on that day? I do not have any idea how
    >crowded trains are on that day since I have heard that it is a holiday
    >but a lot of Italians travel during that time.

I think you should be able to get reservations when you get there, if
not on one train on the next. If trains are pretty booked up, you can
try 1st class, which gets booked up later. If that fails, get a train
that doesn't require reservations. I don't know how many are in your
party, but the biggest problem may be getting seats together.

Barbara

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Old Nov 18th 2003, 7:50 am
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B Vaughan
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:15:18 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > www.trenitalia.it is in many languages.
    >english is one of them.

However, as I noted in my post, the English language page has not been
working since early November. Try yourself to put in an itinerary and
see what happens. It always tells you that the site is out of
commission and to try again later. All the other languages work.

I sent an email to the trenitalia web site over a week ago, but have
not received any reply, nor has the site been fixed.

Barbara


    >"Anirban" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Hello all,
    >> Me and two of my friends will be travelling to Italy around Christmas
    >> and our itinerary looks like:
    >> Fly into Milan (we have no other choice)
    >> Milan to Venice.
    >> Venice to Rome.
    >> Rome to Milan.
    >> Milan to Como and back on the same day.
    >> Back from Milan.
    >> The total duration of the trip will be 10 days.
    >> Now I have a few questions.
    >> 1) Do the price of tickets available on internet sites such as
    >> raileurope and railpass
    >> http://www.raileurope.com/us/
    >> the same as the price if you buy them in Italy?
    >> 2) It looks that the Trenitalia Flexi Card Saver might be good for us
    >> but how do we make the reservations?
    >> 3) If we have a pass and board the Euorostar , where and how do we pay
    >> the extra surcharge?
    >> It seems that Trenitalia has a website linked for making purchases and
    >> reservations but it is only in Italian:
    >> http://62.110.170.238/home/it/mappa01.html
    >> Is there a way to purchase passes by telephone and pick them up when
    >> we go there?
    >> Any help or suggestion will be very welcome.
    >> Thanks a lot for reading the mail.
    >> Anirban.

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My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
 
Old Nov 18th 2003, 7:22 pm
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B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I think you should be able to get reservations when you get there, if
    > not on one train on the next. If trains are pretty booked up, you can
    > try 1st class, which gets booked up later. If that fails, get a train
    > that doesn't require reservations. I don't know how many are in your
    > party, but the biggest problem may be getting seats together.

Just remember that on Dec. 26th the railway schedule will be reduced as
there are few travellers. However, I do not think that Milan to Venice
would be a real problem.

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Old Nov 20th 2003, 7:39 pm
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Olivers wrote:

    > last leg, Florence to Milan, bought tickets on Sunday morning, S.Maria
    > Novella crowded,

Crowded what ? the train or the ticket office had a long queue ?
Remind that you can buy train tickets at any travel agent at no
surcharge (*), and that usually there are a couple of travel agencies in
any major station.

(*) however I heard they complain about the low commission Trenitalia
gives them on the price, last month travel agencies did a "rail ticket
strike" (not selling them) for a couple of day

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Old Nov 21st 2003, 5:42 am
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Giovanni Drogo muttered....

    > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Olivers wrote:
    >
    >> last leg, Florence to Milan, bought tickets on Sunday morning, S.Maria
    >> Novella crowded,
    >
    > Crowded what ? the train or the ticket office had a long queue ?
    > Remind that you can buy train tickets at any travel agent at no
    > surcharge (*), and that usually there are a couple of travel agencies in
    > any major station.

No, the queue was only about 5 or so at each window, and the train was not
full, but the departure hall and the platform were crowded. Removing
chairs has simply caused many of the group and young travelers to simply
plop down like icebergs in the ocean.

    >
    > (*) however I heard they complain about the low commission Trenitalia
    > gives them on the price, last month travel agencies did a "rail ticket
    > strike" (not selling them) for a couple of day
    >
I'm sure that European TAs are faced with some of the same crises that have
decimated the ranks of US TAs.

TMO
 

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