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Italy: Must-sees, Off the beaten track, Need a car?

Old Feb 11th 2004, 11:00 pm
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Deirdre Straughan
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    >1. What are the must-sees in Italy?

There are so many; it partly depends on whether you prefer painting,
sculpture, or architecture, and what historical period...

    >2. What are some off-the-beaten-track must-sees that the average
    >tourist won't ever visit?

I've listed a few personal favorites on my site, start at
http://www.straughan.com/italy/places.htm


    >5. Are we better off renting a car or taking trains throughout?

Depends how out of the way you want to get. Some places are more
easily seen with a car, but if you end up going mostly to main cities,
I'd just take the train. It's more hassle than it's worth to drive
within these places, and it's reasonably cheap and easy to get from
point to point by train. Even most small towns are fairly easily
reached by train.


best regards,
Deirdré Straughan

http://www.straughan.com
 
Old Feb 12th 2004, 3:01 am
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Tottidelpiero
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Absolutely wrong.

Paris is simply "Yet another city". Paris has cars all over. Most
buildings which are just ugly. There is few monuments, some of which are
fake like the Pantheon's copy and "L'Etoile" an horrible copy of a Roma
arch. Monuments very far from each other. Paris is a beautiful city,
lively, great for going out, has good museums, exhibits, restaurants.

Venice is Venice. Venice is unique.

All buildings in Venice are masterpieces. If you moved any building of
Venice in Paris it would be one of the most ancient and prettier
monuments there.
There is no car in Venice, only boats. Venice was never harmed by
anybody so far. Most of Paris was destroyed 200 years ago and rebuild
new under Napoleon III. Venice is a jewel. It is incomparable.

I also love Paris as a city, but if I was ET and could visit only 2
cities on earth I would chose " Paris and Venice" or "Rome and Venice"
or "London and Venice" or "Praha and Venice" or "New York and Venice" or
"Florence and Venice"... Because all the beautiful great cities are
similar to each other... if compared to Venice.


Jenn wrote:

    > In article <q26Wb.140344$U%5.644642@attbi_s03>,
    > "Bob Fusillo" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
    >>>You've told us that you mostly want mountain villages and beaches.
    >>>Most people consider the must-sees to be the cities of Rome, Florence
    >>>and Venice. However, these don't have beaches nor are they mountain
    >>>villages.
    >>>Since it's your honeymoon, I would say that you might want to start or
    >>>end in Venice. No city on earth is more romantic.
    >>Technically, Barbara, you are right about Venice, but only if you limit
    >>yourself to confines of the small city itself. The Lido is one of the most
    >>famous beaches in the world, and it is part of Venice -- seven or eight
    >>vaporetto minutes across the lagoon. And up from there are a string of
    >>beaches, culminating in Jesolo, a fashionable beach resort town extremely
    >>popular with northern Europeans as well as Venetians, and less than a half
    >>hour from the Lido.
    >>That said, the Lido, et al, are not really warm enough for swimming in May.
    >>Topless sunbathing at mid-day, yes.
    >>And Venice IS the most romantic city on earth -- although some twisted
    >>peopole recently listed Paris as first for romance with Venice a third --
    >>some people, alas, have no idea of romance.
    >>rjf
    >
    >
    > I love Venice -- but it can't hold a candle to Paris -- there is
    > something romantic about a beautiful city that is also alive -- Venice
    > is alas nothing much more than a superior sort of theme park -- a
    > thoroughly dead city existing only for tourists
 
Old Feb 13th 2004, 5:18 am
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Alessandro Riolo
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Jenn <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > Venice is alas nothing much more than a superior sort of theme park
    > -- a thoroughly dead city existing only for tourists

This is worst than a tourist's opinion, it is a thoroughly misinformed
tourist's opinion.
Venezia isn't dead at all, I for one grow up jumping between the ca'
and the bridges, and having visited that past year, I found Venezia
even more alive than during my childood (only _a bit_ more expensive
;-) ).

--
ale
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Old Feb 13th 2004, 7:29 am
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Matteo B
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    > Absolutely wrong.
    > Paris is simply "Yet another city". Paris has cars all over. Most
    > buildings which are just ugly. There is few monuments, some of which are
    > fake like the Pantheon's copy and "L'Etoile" an horrible copy of a Roma
    > arch. Monuments very far from each other. Paris is a beautiful city,
    > lively, great for going out, has good museums, exhibits, restaurants.

Also, some of the lifestyles, events, types of entertainment etc.
that are so common in other cities would be out of the question
for Venice - making it more "lively" in that sense would very likely
mean the entire place would be going down the drain very soon.
 
Old Oct 11th 2004, 12:46 pm
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Default Re: Italy: Must-sees, Off the beaten track, Need a car?

I think a car would be most helpful.

I would go with Rome at the beginning and end of the trip. In the middle you could go to Abruzzo in only two hours where you could be 20 minutes from the Adriatric and the Gran Sasso at the same time.

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Old Oct 11th 2004, 2:08 pm
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[email protected] (Mona) wrote in
news:[email protected] om:

    > I am looking to head to Italy for my honeymoon in mid-May for
three
    > weeks. I would like to see as much as possible, starting in
the way
    > north and ending in Sicily or somewhere else in the south.
    >
    > Our priorities are:
    > -beautiful mountain villages
    > -clean and nice beaches
    > -great food
    > We also don't want to spend a fortune throughout the three
weeks, but
    > are willing to spend for a little luxury, it being our
honeymoon and
    > all.
    >
    > Here are my questions:
    >
    > 1. What are the must-sees in Italy?
    >
    > 2. What are some off-the-beaten-track must-sees that the
average
    > tourist won't ever visit?
    >
    > 3. Where are good places (i.e regions, cities) to splurge on a
nice
    > hotel?
    >
    > 4. Where can we save money?
    >
    > 5. Are we better off renting a car or taking trains
throughout?
    >
    > Thanks for the replies.
    >

Start off in the South the later you get the hotter it will be.
Go to Taormina in Sicily, you will have
a beautiful moutain village with views of Etna
clean and nice beaches nearby
great food
(Ok it will be pricey but if you stay in Naxos at the bottom of
the hill the prices will be lower and the beaches closer)

Moving north Sorrento for any necessary trips to Heraculum (sp)
or Pompei (and the famous amalfi crive by SITA bus for about 4
euro)
 
Old Oct 11th 2004, 11:04 pm
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Besides all the famouse spotlights, I also recommend a very small village
near Roma called Agnone, where you can see the "real" Italian life style.
Meeting the locals, walk around in the old town, visit 1000-year old bell
factory, and sleep in a typical Italian stone house Bed&Breakfast. More
information can be found in our website, www.YEStravel.com.

Greetings from Sandy

"stefanaccio" <member30393@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
    > > I am looking to head to Italy for my honeymoon in mid-May for three
    > > weeks. I would like to see as much as possible, starting in the way
    > > north and ending in Sicily or somewhere else in the south.
    > >
    > > Our priorities are:
    > > -beautiful mountain villages
    > > -clean and nice beaches
    > > -great food
    > > We also don't want to spend a fortune throughout the three weeks, but
    > > are willing to spend for a little luxury, it being our honeymoon and
    > > all.
    > >
    > > Here are my questions:
    > >
    > > 1. What are the must-sees in Italy?
    > >
    > > 2. What are some off-the-beaten-track must-sees that the average
    > > tourist won't ever visit?
    > >
    > > 3. Where are good places (i.e regions, cities) to splurge on a nice
    > > hotel?
    > >
    > > 4. Where can we save money?
    > >
    > > 5. Are we better off renting a car or taking trains throughout?
    > >
    > > Thanks for the replies.
    > I think a car would be most helpful.
    > I would go with Rome at the beginning and end of the trip. In the
    > middle you could go to Abruzzo in only two hours where you could be 20
    > minutes from the Adriatric and the Gran Sasso at the same time.
    > Casale
    > http://www.angelfire.com/film/casale
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Oct 17th 2004, 11:31 pm
  #23  
Dan Stephenson
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    > > I am looking to head to Italy for my honeymoon in mid-May for three
    > > weeks. I would like to see as much as possible, starting in the way
    > > north and ending in Sicily or somewhere else in the south.
    > >
    > > Our priorities are:
    > > -beautiful mountain villages

On the mainland, I've been to Orvieto and found it to be quite nice.
There is an even more extreme "version" of Orvieto nearby called Civita
di Bagnoregio - much smaller older/less-developed. These are near
Rome.

In Sicily, I might recommend Erice, in the north-west corner. I just
returned from there and found it to be nice and quite (although this is
not the high-season - May might be).

    > > -clean and nice beaches
    > > -great food
    > > We also don't want to spend a fortune throughout the three weeks, but
    > > are willing to spend for a little luxury, it being our honeymoon and
    > > all.
    > >
    > > Here are my questions:
    > >
    > > 1. What are the must-sees in Italy?

This is a very broad question and I highly highly recommend getting a
good guidebook. For a first-time traveller I'd recommend Rick Steves'
books. Otherwise I like Lonely Planets over all, but the DK
Eyewitnesses are good picure-books for stoking the imagination, and the
Green Guides are encyclopedic. I bring all three. :-)

For me, if you like art you muct see the Uffizi in Florence and the
Vatican Museum in the Vatican. If you like architecture you must go to
Palermo, and if you like Greek ruins you must go to Paestum near
Sorrento and Agrigento, Selenunte and Segesta in Sicily.

And don't forget gelati - the super-amazing Italian ice-cream and is so
so superior to American ice-cream, I'm amazing it isn't sold over here
(in America).

    > > 2. What are some off-the-beaten-track must-sees that the average
    > > tourist won't ever visit?
    > >
    > > 3. Where are good places (i.e regions, cities) to splurge on a nice
    > > hotel?
    > >
    > > 4. Where can we save money?
    > >
    > > 5. Are we better off renting a car or taking trains throughout?

Between Oriveto, Florence and Rome, use the train. To me, every other
place I've mentions warrant a car.

--
Dan Stephenson
Photos and movies from US Parks and all over Europe:
http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda
 
Old Oct 18th 2004, 12:24 am
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B Vaughan
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:31:58 GMT, Dan Stephenson
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >> > I am looking to head to Italy for my honeymoon in mid-May for three
    >> > weeks. I would like to see as much as possible, starting in the way
    >> > north and ending in Sicily or somewhere else in the south.
    >> >
    >> > Our priorities are:
    >> > -beautiful mountain villages
    >On the mainland, I've been to Orvieto and found it to be quite nice.
    >There is an even more extreme "version" of Orvieto nearby called Civita
    >di Bagnoregio - much smaller older/less-developed. These are near
    >Rome.

Orvieto is very pretty, but I don't think you could call it a mountain
village. It's a small city and not in the mountains.

I don't know how recently you've been to Civita di Bagnoregio. It used
to be accessible only by a small pedestrian bridge. Now the bridge has
been reconstructed to allow 15 people abreast (and they usually are).
The town advertises itself as the "town that's dying", but it seems as
if they are planning for a very long and profitable deathbed scene. My
husband had seen the town over ten years earlier, and says its death
seemed imminent then.

I read a description of the town years ago in a Rick Steves book, so
maybe it's all his fault.

There are many beautiful hilltop villages in Umbria and le Marche. I
could hardly begin to list them. Many are in the foothills of the
Appenines, maybe not really mountain villages. I know a few little
gems, with maybe several hundred inhabitants. However, there's nothing
to do in these tiny villages other than drive up (which could take
half an hour) and drive back down. You can look around, while the
inhabitants look back at you, and take some pictures. There will
usually be no shops, no place to eat and sometimes not even a bar, the
one thing you usually count on finding in an Italian village.

I took some visiting relatives to a tiny picturesque hilltop town
about five years ago. There was a tiny bar run by the Association of
Catholic Workers (ACLI). We had a coffee there so we could use the
bathroom. There was no other commercial activity at all in the town.
Several years later I returned to the same bar with some other
relatives and the bartender remembered my earlier visit. You might say
they don't get many tourists there.

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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
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Old Oct 18th 2004, 9:57 am
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Dan Stephenson <[email protected]> ha scritto news:181020040632119335%
[email protected]:

    >> > I am looking to head to Italy for my honeymoon in mid-May for three
    >> > weeks. I would like to see as much as possible, starting in the way
    >> > north and ending in Sicily or somewhere else in the south.
    >> >
    >> > Our priorities are:
    >> > -beautiful mountain villages
Beautiful Mountain (Appennines) Villages in Abruzzo:

Castelli, Scanno, Pescocostanzo, Villa Santa Maria, Anversa degli Abruzzo,
Loreto Aprutino, Civitella del Tronto, Atri.

Need a car for each and every one.

Fredo
 
Old Oct 21st 2004, 1:10 am
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    > [email protected] (Mona) wrote in
    > news:[email protected] om:
    >
    > > I am looking to head to Italy for my honeymoon in mid-May for
    > three
    > > weeks. I would like to see as much as possible, starting in
    > the way
    > > north and ending in Sicily or somewhere else in the south.
    > >
    > > Our priorities are:
    > > -beautiful mountain villages
    > > -clean and nice beaches
    > > -great food
    > > We also don't want to spend a fortune throughout the three
    > weeks, but
    > > are willing to spend for a little luxury, it being our
    > honeymoon and
    > > all.
    > >
    > > Here are my questions:
    > >
    > > 1. What are the must-sees in Italy?
    > >
    > > 2. What are some off-the-beaten-track must-sees that the
    > average
    > > tourist won't ever visit?
    > >
    > > 3. Where are good places (i.e regions, cities) to splurge on a
    > nice
    > > hotel?
    > >
    > > 4. Where can we save money?
    > >
    > > 5. Are we better off renting a car or taking trains
    > throughout?
    > >
    > > Thanks for the replies.


Italy is the most beautiful country and that includes the people. It
needs a car.

I'd still vote for Venice, but walk or take a waterbus away from San
Marco and get a wee bit lost with your lover especially at dusk. I
love all those dim bulbs and the water and the sounds and even the
smells! Do some research before you get there - read a bit of
Casanova's autiobiography. Try to follow some locals at lunchtime and
see where they eat. Do have a really expensive cup of coffee in the
piazza - remember you're not having coffee, you're renting real
estate. But don't go near the tourists.....

Pietro
 

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